Radelow From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 426 posts, RR: 3 Posted (10 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 6218 times:
How do they get the smaller Airbus' across the Atlantic? Especially if they are not ETOPS certified or don't have the range. Or what about 737's the other way that aren't ETOPS certified or don't have the range?
Starlionblue From Greenland, joined Feb 2004, 17177 posts, RR: 66
Reply 2, posted (10 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 6175 times:
- Excemption from ETOPS is granted for ferry flights.
- With no pax or luggage, the range is much greater anyway.
- You can fly via Gander, Iceland and the UK. Hawaii is a bigger problem.
- I don't know about the 737 and the 32x but the 717 can be equipped with extra tanks in the cabin for ferry flights. See pic.
Falcon Flyer From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 1332 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (10 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 5746 times:
When I lived in Saipan during '98, several of the 737NGs going to the Chinese carriers staged through there. The crews I met told me the more common routings involved Hawaii-Majuro-Saipan/Guam and then onward.
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EconoBoy From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2004, 157 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (10 years 4 months 1 week 12 hours ago) and read 4536 times:
Going off on a slight tangent, I saw a prog once about the guys who ferry the single engine prop planes from the US to Europe (on their own). They have extra tanks, immersion suits and top notch navigation but even so, it looked pretty bleak, lonely and scary doing the hop over the icey sea to Iceland (or maybe Greenland), and from there to Scotland.
DesertJets From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 7811 posts, RR: 16
Reply 15, posted (10 years 4 months 1 week 12 hours ago) and read 4371 times:
Again I keep forgetting this guys name, but he is a regular writer/editor for Plane & Pilot magazine and works as a ferry pilot on the side for GA aircraft. Several good stories.
One flight he had a Piper Navajo Chieftain to take from Hawaii to Florida. The tricky part is the Hilo to Santa Barbara leg (I believe this is the shortest possible routing from Hawaii to the mainland). For this leg to work the winds need to be just right. I believe after 2-3 hours in he had to turn back because he wasn't getting the planned groundspeeds that he needed to land in SBA.
Another flight involved ferrying a Mooney from the US down to Austrailia. I imagine this went via Hawaii then island hopped all the way down. His final leg was Brisbane-Perth... non-stop. The ATC was at first taken aback when he said his flight that day would be non-stop... until he remembered that he came in the previous day on a ferry flight. Both flights involved the use of ferry tanks.
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