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Shuttling Airbus' Over The Atlantic  
User currently offlineRadelow From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 426 posts, RR: 3
Posted (10 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 6218 times:

How do they get the smaller Airbus' across the Atlantic? Especially if they are not ETOPS certified or don't have the range. Or what about 737's the other way that aren't ETOPS certified or don't have the range?

Mark

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User currently offlineGigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16347 posts, RR: 85
Reply 1, posted (10 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 6199 times:

ETOPS doesn't apply to delivery flights.

They fly most from SNN or DUB to BGR via REK or KEF when they don't have range, but most 737NGs and A320s can fly the whole route no problem empty.

N


User currently offlineStarlionblue From Greenland, joined Feb 2004, 17177 posts, RR: 66
Reply 2, posted (10 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 6175 times:

- Excemption from ETOPS is granted for ferry flights.
- With no pax or luggage, the range is much greater anyway.
- You can fly via Gander, Iceland and the UK. Hawaii is a bigger problem.
- I don't know about the 737 and the 32x but the 717 can be equipped with extra tanks in the cabin for ferry flights. See pic.


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User currently offlineRadelow From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 426 posts, RR: 3
Reply 3, posted (10 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 6149 times:

Cool! Thanks for the info guys... Just posting all the questions that I always wanted answering!

Mark


User currently offlineRick767 From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2000, 2662 posts, RR: 51
Reply 4, posted (10 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 6072 times:

No need for complicated extra tanks on a 737 delivery flight to Europe, they can quite easily take full fuel with no passengers and just route via Keflavik.

Same applies to A320 series to the USA (TLS > KEF > JFK would be a typical JetBlue delivery flight)



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User currently offlineBill142 From Australia, joined Aug 2004, 8466 posts, RR: 8
Reply 5, posted (10 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 5884 times:

I was always wondering about 737's that had to come downunder over the pacific.

User currently offlineBmi330 From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2001, 1450 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (10 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 5863 times:

Quite a lot of airbus a32x for NW went via PIK I believe on the a.net database u can see a320's in northwest last 3 colour schemes

User currently offlineNorthStarDC4M From Canada, joined Apr 2000, 3075 posts, RR: 36
Reply 7, posted (10 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 5816 times:
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with the exception of Hawaii, no ferry routes need ferry tanks for airliners, even B1900Ds and Saab 340s transited the North Atlantic without extra tanks.

The route to Australia normally runs thru europe and asia, not via the Pacific. The trick with ferry flights isnt to follow the shortest path, its to fly the safest and easiest path.

A few of the most recent 737 deliveries to Asia transitted Alaska and Siberia, but this routing is only attempted in the Northern Summer.



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User currently offlineUA777222 From United States of America, joined exactly 11 years ago today! , 3348 posts, RR: 11
Reply 8, posted (10 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 5778 times:

For some reason the link doesn't change after I click to head somewhere else within the site.

http://www.a340.net/

Then click Multimedia.

Then click under the OTHER COCKPIT selection "Airbus"

At the top is a video of the devilavery flight of the first or one of the first A320's to US air in 99'. No extra fuel tanks just a quick stop in Goose Bay.

Hope that helps!

UA777222



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User currently offlineFalcon Flyer From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 1332 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (10 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 5746 times:

When I lived in Saipan during '98, several of the 737NGs going to the Chinese carriers staged through there. The crews I met told me the more common routings involved Hawaii-Majuro-Saipan/Guam and then onward.


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User currently offlineJetmek319 From Germany, joined Sep 2003, 199 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (10 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 5656 times:

When F9 ferries one across the pond, we go direct EDHI to BGR, clear customs, and then fly to PHX for some F9 Mods. We could head to BOS if necessary. This works for both the A318 and 319.


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User currently offlineJetmek319 From Germany, joined Sep 2003, 199 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (10 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 5643 times:

Forgot to mention that we don't use any extra fuel tanks for the flight.


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User currently offlineBrons2 From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 3017 posts, RR: 4
Reply 12, posted (10 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 5596 times:

Jetmek319, where is EDHI?

And are you a F9 pilot?



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User currently offlineModesto2 From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 2819 posts, RR: 5
Reply 13, posted (10 years 4 months 1 week 14 hours ago) and read 5262 times:

At JetBlue, we ferry our aircraft from Tolouse, France to New York-Kennedy via Keflavik (KEF). With a quick tech stop for fuel, the aircraft continues with no problems.

User currently offlineEconoBoy From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2004, 157 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (10 years 4 months 1 week 12 hours ago) and read 4536 times:

Going off on a slight tangent, I saw a prog once about the guys who ferry the single engine prop planes from the US to Europe (on their own). They have extra tanks, immersion suits and top notch navigation but even so, it looked pretty bleak, lonely and scary doing the hop over the icey sea to Iceland (or maybe Greenland), and from there to Scotland.

User currently offlineDesertJets From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 7811 posts, RR: 16
Reply 15, posted (10 years 4 months 1 week 12 hours ago) and read 4371 times:

Again I keep forgetting this guys name, but he is a regular writer/editor for Plane & Pilot magazine and works as a ferry pilot on the side for GA aircraft. Several good stories.

One flight he had a Piper Navajo Chieftain to take from Hawaii to Florida. The tricky part is the Hilo to Santa Barbara leg (I believe this is the shortest possible routing from Hawaii to the mainland). For this leg to work the winds need to be just right. I believe after 2-3 hours in he had to turn back because he wasn't getting the planned groundspeeds that he needed to land in SBA.

Another flight involved ferrying a Mooney from the US down to Austrailia. I imagine this went via Hawaii then island hopped all the way down. His final leg was Brisbane-Perth... non-stop. The ATC was at first taken aback when he said his flight that day would be non-stop... until he remembered that he came in the previous day on a ferry flight. Both flights involved the use of ferry tanks.



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User currently offlineBurnsie28 From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 7564 posts, RR: 8
Reply 16, posted (10 years 4 months 1 week 11 hours ago) and read 4065 times:

I believe, not 100% sure, NW goes- Toulouse-Glasgow-Goose Bay- Minneapolis/St. Paul.


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User currently offlineLHR27C From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2004, 1279 posts, RR: 16
Reply 17, posted (10 years 4 months 1 week 10 hours ago) and read 3636 times:

Brons2 - EDHI is Hamburg Finkenwerder where the 319s/318s are built.

I remember reading about interesting delivery routes for SAA's 737-800s on the way from RNT to JNB.



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User currently offlineJCS From Netherlands, joined Jun 2004, 211 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (10 years 4 months 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 3453 times:

What about Fokkers? How did they make these flights?

User currently offlineKnoxibus From France, joined Aug 2007, 260 posts, RR: 23
Reply 19, posted (10 years 4 months 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 3429 times:

Read a full article once on a ferry flight for....a Socata TBM 700 between LFBT and MIA or FLL.......quite amazing.

Stopped in Scotland, Iceland, Greenlan, Canada.....quite a long flight at that small speed.



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User currently offlineMoman From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 1054 posts, RR: 4
Reply 20, posted (10 years 4 months 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 3267 times:

DesertJets,

I believe you are talking about Bill Cox. He always has great articles about ferrying smaller aircraft all over the world and they would be good reading for someone interested in it (Plane and Pilot)

Moman



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