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Easyjet Drops ZRH - Costliest Airport To Operate  
User currently offlineRegis From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (10 years 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 7108 times:

Easyjet has had it with ZRH. Good for BSL and a warning for those opposing the construction of the low cost terminal at GVA.

The Zurich to London Luton route was previously profitable, but this has been impacted by a ludicrous 132 % increase in passenger fees at Zurich in the last two years, and onerous operating restrictions. As a result, the route will move to Basel and the airline leaves Zurich after six years of operations

As Zurich Airport has now realised, if there is no realistic prospect of progress, we will take our business and passengers, elsewhere.



http://www.easyjet.com/EN/news/20040818_01.html



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User currently offlineGKirk From UK - Scotland, joined Jun 2000, 24926 posts, RR: 56
Reply 1, posted (10 years 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 7026 times:

Serves them right, its not as if there wanting Ryanair style charges...


When you hear the noise of the Tartan Army Boys, we'll be coming down the road!
User currently offlineANA From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2004, 294 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (10 years 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 6988 times:

That's bad news for Swiss ski resorts in the winter as a lot of Brits used that route. Basel is further away from all Swiss resorts and, I imagine, will not have such good rail links either. May mean people just go to another country. It's also bad for the skiers too.

Anders


User currently offlineGKirk From UK - Scotland, joined Jun 2000, 24926 posts, RR: 56
Reply 3, posted (10 years 1 week 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 6979 times:

ANA, they can still use GVA, which is also seeing an increase in flights from the UK this winter, with daily flights from NCL and BRS starting


When you hear the noise of the Tartan Army Boys, we'll be coming down the road!
User currently offlineRunway23 From US Minor Outlying Islands, joined Jan 2005, 2191 posts, RR: 35
Reply 4, posted (10 years 1 week 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 6949 times:

Ana,

Zurich has never really been that popular for skiing. Swiss ski stations are rather expensive and Geneva serves most of the skiing flights, also benefiting the fact that it serves both France and Switzerland.

All in all there is actually a pretty steep increase in flights from the UK to Switzerland this winter compared to last year. First of all with easyjet flying from Stansted, Luton and Liverpool to Basel. Secondly more daily flights from Gatwick and Liverpool to Geneva. Also the new flights from Newcastle and Bristol. Jet2 is also flying 8x weekly this winter (compared to 3x last winter), flyglobespan is flying 4x per week from EDI and 5x from GLA. Also not to forget that eujet is launching daily flights from Manston and a weekly flight from Shannon. They will also fly a weekly flight from Manston to Zurich. Add to this carriers such as bmibaby or flybe who have kept a semi-equivilent offer than last winter to Geneva.

So the statement that that there is a retreat in flights to Switzerland is false as Switzerland has gained more new flights than Austria or France this winter.

Regards,
T.


User currently offlineRojo From Spain, joined Sep 2000, 2446 posts, RR: 9
Reply 5, posted (10 years 1 week 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 6869 times:

Finally we will see real competition in the BSL-London route. First, BA will take over the 3 LHR-BSL-LHR flights currently flown by LX. Second, LX will start 3 daily flights (on weekdays) BSL-LCY-BSL. Finally, U2 will start 2 daily flights LTN-BSL-LTN + the current STN-BSL-STN. I will put my money in U2 reducing average fares on the route plus taking customers out from BA and LX thanks to the more convenient hours for UK passengers (depart early morning from LTN and late evening from BSL) giving you a full day of work!





User currently offlineRJ100 From Switzerland, joined Nov 2000, 4118 posts, RR: 29
Reply 6, posted (10 years 1 week 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 6821 times:

Well actually Basel is closer to some skiing resorts than Zurich, mainly if you go to the mountains in the Luzern and Bern area (or at least you are there faster due to better road connections).

Also around 99.9% of the LTN-ZRH-LTN pax were not skiers.

If you ask me it's only a matter of time until more LCCs leave ZRH for BSL. Strong rumours indicate SkyEurope and Germanwings to be next...

RJ100



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User currently offlineRunway23 From US Minor Outlying Islands, joined Jan 2005, 2191 posts, RR: 35
Reply 7, posted (10 years 1 week 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 6818 times:

Thomas,

Would Skyeurope and germanwings transfer to Basel also or simply give up Switzerland?

Rgds,
T.


User currently offlineRJ100 From Switzerland, joined Nov 2000, 4118 posts, RR: 29
Reply 8, posted (10 years 1 week 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 6794 times:

I only heard that SkyEurope is not happy in Zurich because of the high taxes.
Germanwings seems to be happy with the ZRH-CGN route but is considering Basel as a new hub in 2005.

Initially they were planning a hub in ZRH but nothing happened so far...
At the moment Germanwings sees a lot of passengers from South Germany using the easyJet flights in BSL so they need to do something.

I guess only time will tell but for the moment I'm just happy that the worst is over for my local airport!

Best regards,
Thomas



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User currently offlineDoorsToManual From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (10 years 1 week 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 6703 times:

A shame for the passengers that used U2 to get to/from ZRH, but there are other choices available. I think another significant factor was that U2 was suffering constant slot delays & restrictions at ZRH, and this exacerbated the already high costs of using the airport.

regards


User currently offlineMatterhorn From Switzerland, joined Feb 2004, 135 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (10 years 1 week 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 6669 times:

"The Zurich to London Luton route was previously profitable, but this has been impacted by a ludicrous 132 % increase in passenger fees at Zurich in the last two years"

this doesn't make sence to me. the increase in passenger fees are paid by the passengers. the only implication from here is that fewer people are using this route because they have to pay a bit more, but in my point of view this is rather unlikely as passengers usually only consider the airlinefares, and not the total costs. this habit is rather irrational.

the thing with the operational constraints makes absolute sence and i would guess that this is the main reason for EZY's leave.

RJ100:I read a few days ago that 4U is considering ZRH, BSL as well as others as new hubs, so from the official side, there is no indication that 4U prefers BSL to ZRH. however, this is only the official side and doesn't consider insider news, which i definitely do not have.



Last Flight: BSL-AMS on EZY, Next Flight: ZRH-LHR on LX
User currently offline717fan From Switzerland, joined Nov 2001, 2017 posts, RR: 6
Reply 11, posted (10 years 1 week 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 6669 times:

RJ100, Germanwings is indeed very happy with ZRH and they are still evaluating a hub in Zurich, not only in Basel together with Munich and another german city....

User currently offlineRJ100 From Switzerland, joined Nov 2000, 4118 posts, RR: 29
Reply 12, posted (10 years 1 week 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 6623 times:

I know, Zurich, Basel, Munich, Nurnberg and Hamburg are in the run.

What I wanted to say is that Basel was never on their list and Germanwings is saying they want a hub in ZRH since they are flying there. But nothing happens there so obviously something stops them from opening a hub in ZRH.
A lot of LCCs preferred going into ZRH instead of BSL and said that, although BSL would be better in terms of fees, there is more demand in ZRH. In the recent months easyJet proofed that costs are indeed low in BSL but that there is also great demand. Therefore I think BSL is in a good shape at the moment.

Also I think that easyJet is mentioning too much in their press release that they move flights from ZRH to BSL which is not true. ZRH and BSL are two seperate markets. Not much people from ZRH will use the flights from BSL. It is more an increase in services to BSL because the current daily STN-BSL-STN service leaves full every afternoon.

Regards,
RJ100



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User currently offlineSwissgabe From Switzerland, joined Jan 2000, 5266 posts, RR: 33
Reply 13, posted (10 years 1 week 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 6535 times:

ZRH is NOT costliest airport to operate. But it is the costliest airport out of EasyJet destinations (as per EasyJet) ...

Could the drop have anything to do with Helvetic? They now offer flights between ZRH and LON (I think LGW or STN).



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User currently offlineRunway23 From US Minor Outlying Islands, joined Jan 2005, 2191 posts, RR: 35
Reply 14, posted (10 years 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 6499 times:

swissgabe,

The fact that easyjet was quitting Zurich was not the biggest secret in the world, it has been clear for weeks now. Zurich is extremely costly, like mentionned above landing taxes, ground turnarounds, delays,etc... easyJet can make more money by flying other routes.

I'd think helvetic makes easyjet laugh more than worry them. First of all they are launching Gatwick (a route dropped in April), and secondly they only have one flight a day which is during the early afternoon.

I doubt anyone in their right mind will book that flight seeing that their fares are higher than BA or Swiss and that the flight time is unattractive for any business man and most people will see a midday flight as something which cuts a day into two. I don't see helvetic lasting long on that route unless they increase their frequency. London is a city which needs high frequencies especially when flown to Zurich which is a leading business centre.

Another important factor to remember is that whilst helvetic is well known in Zurich they are unknown anywhere else. Promoting who they are in London will never be done as this is too expensive for the possible benefits it could bring. easyJet, BA or Swiss on the other hand are known by the vast majority of people...

Regards,
Tim


User currently offlineUnique From Switzerland, joined Mar 2003, 1703 posts, RR: 36
Reply 15, posted (10 years 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 6457 times:

Tim, getting slots at LGW is an almost impossible thing! Helvetic got one - at least one, and they're working on more. Once you have a foot in the door there, you'll be able to get more after some time.

Passenger taxes in ZRH are indeed paid by the passengers. The problem with EZY is that they have to offer their fares including everything (I think it's by law in the UK) so when the passenger taxes are increased, their fares are automatically increased.

I have to agree that ZRH is not the most expensive airport in Europe. It's ranking rather high but it's not the most expensive.

EZY was complaining for a long time and the airport company made several studies about granting special rates to LCC's but it was not implemented as the airport wants to give the same conditions to all airlines. If EZY is calculating that tight, it's their problem...


User currently offlineUnique From Switzerland, joined Mar 2003, 1703 posts, RR: 36
Reply 16, posted (10 years 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 6450 times:

From another thread but about the same topic:

In Basel you land and 3 minutes later you are at the gate while in Zurich you need to taxi for a long time. Ground time in BSL is 20 minutes, in GVA 35 minutes and in ZRH at least 45 minutes-1 hour.

RJ100, the airport company was offering EZY several parking positions where they had one of the shortest taxi times! EZY chose the one they have now - at Pier E (which is 3-5 minutes after you landed on runway 14)!

The ground time is basically determined by the Handling Agent (Jet Aviation in the case of EZY). If they are unable to perform the required turnaround in a specific time, why should the airport be blamed?

It's not shooting against you, just listing facts...


User currently offlineRJ100 From Switzerland, joined Nov 2000, 4118 posts, RR: 29
Reply 17, posted (10 years 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 6410 times:

No problem Unique, it's a discussion forum you don't need to excuse yourself  Smile

Why are they leaving ZRH then in your opinion? Pier E sounds good and would suit easyJet well.

Regards,
RJ100



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User currently offlineRunway23 From US Minor Outlying Islands, joined Jan 2005, 2191 posts, RR: 35
Reply 18, posted (10 years 1 week 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 6350 times:

. The problem with EZY is that they have to offer their fares including everything (I think it's by law in the UK)

I think it's actually an EU law that has now been adopted by all carriers, I may be wrong but I think I've seen this in easyjet's latest ads in Europe where the cheapest return flight including taxes is listed.

LGW is an almost impossible thing! Helvetic got one - at least one, and they're working on more. Once you have a foot in the door there, you'll be able to get more after some time.

Indeed they are into Gatwick though there are other routes which could have potentially earned them better money. Getting slots to Stansted or Luton isn't very heard, Gatwick still have a few slots here. Many new airlines have recently launched gatwick without major trouble in getting slots in the morning and evening (i.e. germanwings, braathens, csa), why not helvetic? They are clearly having trouble on their business routes, why not concentrate on developing their leisure routes instead of adding business routes at times which nobody will fly at?

EZY was complaining for a long time and the airport company made several studies about granting special rates to LCC's but it was not implemented as the airport wants to give the same conditions to all airlines. If EZY is calculating that tight, it's their problem...

It doesn't seem to be only easyJet who's unhappy with Zurich. Swiss has heavily criticized Unique, Germanwings and skyeurope aren't happy. Clearly if your largest customer isn't happy and airlines are leaving something isn't going right.

The ground time is basically determined by the Handling Agent (Jet Aviation in the case of EZY). If they are unable to perform the required turnaround in a specific time, why should the airport be blamed?

The handling agent doesn't entirely determine the ground time, factors like how well the airport is planned, how busy and how many delays are likely to happen are very strong factors which influence this time.

Perhaps the best solution for unique would be to reopen terminal B (2 or whatever it is called these days) as a low cost terminal similar to what Geneva has done with the charter terminal. Not saying that this will take away all problems (and it won't) but the airport taxes would be significantly lower than what they are right now.

Regards,
Tim


User currently offlineDoorsToManual From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (10 years 1 week 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 6309 times:

As mentioned, the main problem for easyJet is not only the handling fees, but the operational restrictions and the regular slot delays the company suffers. The flights at ZRH take no longer to turnaround than at other easyJet destinations, again it's the delays and curfews etc. which make ZRH a problem for the airline. I know this myself as I regularly fly into ZRH every month.

The problem is particularly acute for a low-cost airline such as easyJet because they like to get their planes in and out quickly, with minimum fuss. Even though the ZRH flights always seem fairly full, the profits obviously don't offset the costs.

With regards to Ray's comments on ZRH management living in the 'old world', well, that's probably partly true, partly a bit of propaganda.

cheers

[Edited 2004-08-18 20:40:52]

User currently offlineSimProgrammer From France, joined Aug 2004, 193 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (10 years 1 week 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 6311 times:

Ive flown EZY’s LGW ZRH route a number of times, but not for about 8 months now. I’ve never known the a/c to dock at any pier. We’ve always been bussed to and from the a/c, is that normal or was that due to the modernisation work of term M.


Im surprised to see EZY dump ZRH from it's network, this could be to knock some sence into ZRH and EZY might re start ZRH's routes once it gets some of its A319's on order and pass the costs to the tix price.



Drive a bus, an Airbus, easier than a London bus!
User currently offlineDoorsToManual From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (10 years 1 week 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 6303 times:

We’ve always been bussed to and from the a/c, is that normal or was that due to the modernisation work of term M

I don't know whether that was 'normal' or not, usually it depends on availability, but on all of the flights I've been on (from LTN), the aircraft has always secured an airbridge.

regards


User currently offlineUnique From Switzerland, joined Mar 2003, 1703 posts, RR: 36
Reply 22, posted (10 years 1 week 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 6255 times:

Swiss has heavily criticized Unique, Germanwings and skyeurope aren't happy

Tim, that's definitely true! But isn't LX complaining about everything?

One example: Swissport was informed that they will get 30% less money for their handling performance. Swissport obviously had to cope with this by cutting service, even getting rid of staff. Now LX is complaining that they don't get the service they pay for and their flights are sometimes delayed due to lack of loading staff.

Another example: LX is doing a wheel change on the parking position at the time the flight should depart but without telling Apron Control (who do the stand allocation) and against the written rules in AIP. The planning was such that a few minutes later, the gate was to be taken by an inbound LX flight. This flight obviously had to wait for the gate to become available and some of the transfer passengers just made their connecting flights because these flights waited for them. Another gate was not available at that time because all gates were taken.

LX complained that the overall punctuality performance of the airport is not acceptable...

Some problems (of LX as well as of others) are home made!


User currently offlineRunway23 From US Minor Outlying Islands, joined Jan 2005, 2191 posts, RR: 35
Reply 23, posted (10 years 1 week 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 6010 times:

Unique,

You seem to be well informed about all the operational problems Swiss have in Zurich, you wouldn't happen to work in Apron Control would you?

I can see your point in all of these things, Swiss seem to like to emphasize on some small problems to divert the attention from the parts in their operation where they struggle the most.

Tim


User currently offlineGilesdavies From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2003, 3014 posts, RR: 2
Reply 24, posted (10 years 1 week 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 5932 times:

This probably sends a warning to other airports easyJet operates to, not to mess with their charging structures or easyJet could do the same thing and pull out.

I would have thought many European airports are knocking at easy's door begging for new services to be served from them, so it wouldn't take much to find a replacement service. Similar to how the service has moved to Basle.

Unlike European flag carriers where for example an airline might operate the one service to their capital city, easyJet usually flys to multiple cities in Europe from an airport and means far more than loosing the one service.


25 Unique : ...you wouldn't happen to work in Apron Control would you? Tim, no I'm not! But I have to do with these sorts of things!
26 Adriaticus : This is sad. I ws very much looking forward to flying that cancelled ZRH-LTN flight sometime soon (probably one only chance to try EasyJet). Now I've
27 Jcded : in the original thread it is mentionned that there is consideration given to a new terminal at GVA, does anybody have any information on this? thanks
28 MD-11 forever : Strange explanation of Easyjet.... ast time I checked, the airport tax is charged to the passenger and not the airline. Therefore I can't see the conn
29 FlySwiss : The landing taxes didn't rise since the last 20 years as per today's Swiss news paper Tages Anzeiger
30 Pilatusguy : ...and onerous operating restrictions. I'm wondering why nobody talks about the operating restrictions! That's an area where Zurich is defenately a wo
31 Jcded : MD-11 forever I think Runway23 and Unique might be right in saying that the prices the clients pay is all inclusive so they usually dont see the ZRH t
32 RJ100 : In today's newspapers easyJet says that not only taxes influenced their decision. They say it was also due to operational restrictions and because the
33 Regis : Strange explanation of Easyjet.... ast time I checked, the airport tax is charged to the passenger and not the airline. Therefore I can't see the conn
34 Runway23 : in the original thread it is mentionned that there is consideration given to a new terminal at GVA, does anybody have any information on this? This i
35 Unique : Therefore increases in airport fees most often mean proportionate decreases in the airline fare, as to not push the total price out of the range your
36 Teahan : There is no UK law that states easyJet (or anyone) has to publish fares incl. taxes. @Unique: You would be surprised how elastic the demand for air tr
37 Unique : Teahan, time will tell! Station Manager of EZY told me once about this inclusive taxes fare thing... Good luck to EZY at BSL!
38 ME AVN FAN : Do, 30.09.2004 OAW006 ab 14:20 an 15:00 Ticket 99.00 € Gebühren 33.00 € 132.00 € > 9 Fr, 01.10.2004 OAW006 ab 13:25 an 14:05 Ticket 99.00 € G
39 RJ100 : ok that is 264 Euros return and flying times are not very good... If they would have early morning/late evening flights then this is a good price for
40 ME AVN FAN : The frequency can be expected to be improved. And it anyway is the best option both for passengers from ZRH and Eastern Switzerland as well as for vis
41 Teahan : @ME AVN FAN : Helvetic’s offering on the London run is pitiful. The frequency point has been mentioned (present is what should be considered instead
42 Runway23 : Like said above Helvetic with that time and price won't do well on ZRH-LGW. Even Swiss and BA have lower prices than that and better times. I'd expect
43 Post contains images Teahan : Just been rereading the topic and saw a comment which caught my eye: @Runway23: "Services will be totally stripped down, i.e. you carry your bags to t
44 Unique : I'd expect people wanting low fares to London to either go to Basel or Geneva... No way on earth I would fly to GVA when living in ZRH! GVA is another
45 Teahan : @Unique: No way on earth I would fly to GVA when living in ZRH! GVA is another 3 hrs by train (and trains are not really cheap in Switzerland). Imagin
46 Post contains images Standby87 : Hello to Swiss friends: I don't think Easyjet's Press Release is entirely truthful. For me, it's simply they can build up a cheaper Swiss base in Base
47 GKirk : Its well known that easyJet dont like the current charges in ZRH, if they did, they would have stayed at ZRH. By expanding at GVA, and BSL, they will
48 Runway23 : No way on earth I would fly to GVA when living in ZRH! GVA is another 3 hrs by train (and trains are not really cheap in Switzerland). Imagine you ar
49 Teahan : @Runway23: "Right now easyJet's bases in continental europe are Paris, Berlin, Geneva, Dortmund and Amsterdam (which is closing in October, with AMS b
50 SR3496 : From Zurich it takes about 3 hours to Geneva airport...to Stuttgart it's about the same, don't forget that => Germanwings and Easyjet hubs are both 3h
51 RJ100 : ok a little bit off topic but does someone know if the Swissmetro project (linking Basel airport and Zurich airport with an underground high speed tra
52 Post contains images QIguy24 : I wonder why Easy want's to fly to BSL. They are always delayed here. Every single day you hear a delayed announcment on the info speaker, that at lea
53 Post contains images RJ100 : Today's STN was delayed, but because the inbound flight was late. Once the aircraft is here everything goes fine, 20 minutes ground time and good bye.
54 Runway23 : I think the 20 minutes will prove a little too tight, 25 is probably the ideal amount of time needed to turn around a 737/319. If they have delays eve
55 Unique : I just don't hope that EZY was overreacting to pull out of ZRH. Maybe like a child not getting what it wanted? If BSL proved to be a flop, what will t
56 Post contains images RJ100 : Lol The flights are not late everytime. I used easyJet's services frequently during the last weeks and the flights were on time. During my flights the
57 Runway23 : Thomas, BTW, look at the flight times! Even if the flight arrives late it will be back on time. For instance BSL-SXF has a scheduled flight time of 1
58 RJ100 : That's right, I didn't think about that. Thanks for the info. Good weekend to everyone! Thomas
59 Rojo : I wonder why Easy want's to fly to BSL. They are always delayed here. Every single day you hear a delayed announcment on the info speaker, that at lea
60 Post contains images DoorsToManual : easyJet's OTP (on-time performance, a company thing...) has not been great in recent weeks, especially at London bases. This has been due to a combina
61 Post contains images RJ100 : According to a very reliable source easyJet plans to open even more new routes ex Basel beginning this winter: -Dortmund -Bratislava -Rome -Barcelona
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