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User currently offlineRL757PVD From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 4666 posts, RR: 11
Posted (10 years 2 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 2930 times:

I heard about this from some sources last week sometime, but now that Spirit has "officially leaked" the info....I'll post it. Look for a PR tommorrow with all the details. If you read a press release from Spirit today regarding slots at ORD... you will notice this excerpt from "about spirit" :

About Spirit Airlines

Founded in 1990, Fort Lauderdale-based Spirit Airlines is the largest privately held airline in the U.S., bringing low fares and friendly service to 17 cities, including: Atlantic City, N.J.; Cancun, Mexico; Chicago/O'Hare; Denver (until 9/7/04), Detroit; Las Vegas; Los Angeles; Myrtle Beach, S.C; New York/LaGuardia; Providence; San Juan, Puerto Rico; Washington, D.C./Reagan National; and the Florida cities of Fort Lauderdale, Fort Myers, Orlando and Tampa, with seasonal service to West Palm Beach. Spirit was recently granted authority to fly to 11 Caribbean destinations.

Notice PVD is now listed. Look for 4 flights to 3 cities.... more details tommorrow



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User currently offlineMikeycpvd From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 162 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (10 years 2 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 2835 times:

Ooooooh weeee!! 2 new airlines at PVD for 2004! Dulles service has doubled up with Independence Air and now we've got almost all of Florida on lock (MCO, TPA, FLL?, RSW?). Depending on when they flights start, we could set another record for this year (previous record was 5.53 million in 2001). We're on track to pull about 5.4 as it stands now.


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User currently offlineElectraBob From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 931 posts, RR: 3
Reply 2, posted (10 years 2 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 2802 times:

Spirit flights from PVD are already loaded in SABRE....

PVD-FLL....2 flights daily
PVD-DTW....1 flight daily
PVD-RSW...1 flight daily

There may be more...that's all I could find.

All flights begin October 28...all flights use the MD-80



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User currently offlineBoeing757/767 From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 2282 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (10 years 2 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 2752 times:

This is funny ... Spirit just issued a corrected news release (the aforementioned statement on O'Hare) and wouldn't you know? PVD was deleted from the list of destinations. Check it out:

http://biz.yahoo.com/bw/040818/185659_1.html



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User currently offlineTUNisia From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 1844 posts, RR: 5
Reply 4, posted (10 years 2 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 2726 times:

I'm at home right now in Rhode Island (PVD) and there was story on the new tonight to watch the paper tomorrow as an announcement will be in the paper regarding a new low-cost carrier coming to PVD. So it looks like we will be getting Spirit!

Now, what we do need here at PVD is service to the UK :]

TUNisia



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User currently offlineLat41 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 470 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (10 years 2 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 2681 times:

I would not think Spirit would want to go head to head with WN to TPA and MCO. It would be hard to get a piece of that pie. Why would NK want to get beat up on tose two routes. PVD/FLL has been low hanging fruit ever since Delta Express shrivled after 9/11. Delta (regular) wants to push everyone in Southern N. E. through the ATL hub or "get em' up in BOS" which is why, I think PVD was not a candidate for Song. SO now all the air/sea and vacation pax. can get right to FLL as thats certain to be a destination. Now what happens to the weekly flights on WN and US?. All NK will need in New England is a brand identity.

User currently onlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32740 posts, RR: 72
Reply 6, posted (10 years 2 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 2668 times:

Now what happens to the weekly flights on WN and US?.

US Airways plans on going daily on FLL-PVD around February 2005 and Southwest honestly couldn't care less about FLL...they've ignored the market potential in the past and will continue to in the future. Combine this with AA's rumoured MIA-PVD (if it is going to happen this winter, we will know within two weeks), and, suddenly, the PVD-South Florida market has arrived.

[Edited 2004-08-19 01:24:40]


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User currently offlineGD727 From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 925 posts, RR: 10
Reply 7, posted (10 years 2 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 2630 times:

Man, looks like PVD is a very popular airport! It will be nice to have NK here, especially with the FLL and RSW flights. If I'm not mistaken, PVD is the #1 market that is currently not served N/S from FLL. I am positive Spirit will do well in PVD.

But where are they going to go? We have no ticket counter space or availible gates. They could use DL's Gate 22 though, since it is only used once a day, or even one of US's or CO's (US has 6 gates and CO has 2, but CO only has 1 mainline flight per day).



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User currently offlineElwood64151 From United States of America, joined Feb 2002, 2477 posts, RR: 6
Reply 8, posted (10 years 2 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 2627 times:

Good news for both airline and airport. Can't really understand why PVD is getting such attention, but if they can find the market, more power to them!


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User currently offlineLat41 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 470 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (10 years 2 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 2625 times:

The market doesn't need to be "found" as PVD is in the middle of a population pool of millions in Southern N.E. which includes SE Massachusetts, RI and even a corner of CT. Many businesses and industries close by too. Legacy carriers, for the longest time have not wanted to offer too comprehensive a schedule at PVD in order to protect their BOS business and all they invest at Logan Airport. They also assumed that if it wasn't offered at PVD, that pax.would just go to BOS automatically. WN was a big catalyst in changing all of that by offering destination and more important, fares that people want without having to do BOS. Even after all they have spent there, there are just to many aircraft, vehicles and people moving on and off too small a space at one time. PVD to the South as well as MHT up North and even BDL are airports who's time has come.

User currently offlineJohn From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 1374 posts, RR: 5
Reply 10, posted (10 years 2 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 2591 times:

Does Spirit plan to fly these new PVD-Florida routes year round? NK is well known for it's TEST markets and if PVD doesn't make money for them, they'll drop it like a hot patato. I hope PVD works well for them, but we'll see what action WN and US takes (if any), to protect their market share. I have a feeling it's gonna end up being a major DOG fight in PVD this winter, especially if AA starts up their much anticipated MIA nonstop.

User currently offlineFlairport From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (10 years 2 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 2580 times:

I can see PVD-FLL/RSW, but what about PVD-DTW, their other "hub"? Maybe?

Finally, a chance to fly NK, I need to get to Hartford/New Haven in OCT/NOV and NK to PVD might be the best option


User currently offlineERJ170 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 6764 posts, RR: 17
Reply 12, posted (10 years 2 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 2570 times:

Flairport, see Reply #2.. DTW is included, 1 daily


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User currently offlineAirportugal310 From Palau, joined Apr 2004, 3626 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (10 years 2 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 2561 times:

"Now, what we do need here at PVD is service to the UK :]"

That is what a real international airport like Boston is for  Big grin

You have your choice of flights from VS, BA, and AA. Take your pic...A340's, 747's, or 777's!  Smile



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User currently offlineERJ170 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 6764 posts, RR: 17
Reply 14, posted (10 years 2 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 2558 times:

Airportugal310,

I believe that once PVD grows, adds length to their runway, and counter/gate space (in about anohter 6-8 years).. they will indeed have international service. I beleive several airlines will see PVD as a viable option to BOS... the future is looking bright for PVD!



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User currently offlineElectraBob From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 931 posts, RR: 3
Reply 15, posted (10 years 2 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 2538 times:

Flairport - I'm almost sure that Spirit will time their PVD-DTW flight to allow passengers to connect in DTW with Spirit flights to Los Angeles and Las Vegas.


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User currently offlineNwafflyer From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 1050 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (10 years 2 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 2532 times:

Big reason for Providence is that sure, you can fly to Logan -- but -- you cannot leave the airport -- until Logan has "shuttles" to the rest of NE, Logan is a totally impossible airport. Providence, or Springfield (Bradley) or Manchester or Portland -- DO NOT USE LOGAN, you cannot move from the damned airport. I'm a dyed in the wool yankee, grew up just outside of Boston, and have family in both Maine, Massachusetts and Rhode Island. Under no circumstances do I ever even consider using Logan

User currently offlineLat41 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 470 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (10 years 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 2514 times:

Realistically, expect some pull back later this year. There has to be and it may be better off for PVD and might give some breathing room. US later this year will have 10 flights to PHL where they used to have 5. That is not to mention the new WN flights there. UA and Independence Air together will have a ton of new service to IAD where not too long ago, before the RJ's the route was covered by Jetstream 41's, 4 times per day. I think some of this new capacity is nonsense and it won't reflect badly on PVD if some if it gets trimmed back to more sensible levels. It, hopefully would leave more room for new service.

User currently offlineTUNisia From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 1844 posts, RR: 5
Reply 18, posted (10 years 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 2481 times:

I live very close to PVD, but we hardly ever fly out of the airport (mainly due to connections). It's a nice sized airport, but it needs to grow. There is no more room now, but they will be building (or so I've heard). Hopefully once this construction is completed we might see B6. Would international service on 757s be an option? I do know that DL operated a 763 into PVD a few time early this summer/late spring. How did that go? Anyone? I used to spot at PVD all the time, but as of late the cops in Warwick (city where the airport is located) have been coming by and giving people a hard time for being parked. Bah!

TUNisia



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User currently onlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32740 posts, RR: 72
Reply 19, posted (10 years 2 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 2423 times:

I have a feeling it's gonna end up being a major DOG fight in PVD this winter, especially if AA starts up their much anticipated MIA nonstop.

If AA does start-up MIA-PVD (looking more likely now that Spirit is in the market) and US goes daily on FLL-PVD, I wouldn't look for a dog fight per say. The market can support four daily flights during the winter with no problem. During the summer, I could see NK going to one daily on FLL-PVD. Of course, you are going to have NK and US (and WN) fighting it out with "who has the lowest fare". American can (and will) charge more to fly to MIA. And a good 60%+ of AA's traffic on PVD-MIA will be connecting to the Caribbean, Bahamas, and the Keys.

I believe that once PVD grows, adds length to their runway, and counter/gate space (in about anohter 6-8 years).. they will indeed have international service

It won't be six years, it is now. Providence has scheduled, seasonal service to Portugal's Azores Islands on SATA.



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User currently offlineERJ170 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 6764 posts, RR: 17
Reply 20, posted (10 years 2 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 2410 times:

Very true.. the seasonal Azores flight already occurs at PVD. What I meant was that, as far as additional international service, the longer runway is important for securing additional service. As per the Master Plan at TF Greene. The extra runway and safety area are needed before additional international traffic will arrive at TFGreene, due to the additional length needed during the winter months and with the expected cargo load the a/c will carry.


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User currently onlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32740 posts, RR: 72
Reply 21, posted (10 years 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 2365 times:

Schedules:

PVD 0650-1000 FLL Daily M80
FLL 1125-1405 PVD Daily M80

PVD 1505-1815 FLL Daily M80
FLL 1725-2210 PVD Daily M80

PVD 0905-1215 RSW Daily M80
RSW 1300-1555 PVD Daily M80

PVD 1640-1835 DTW Daily M80
DTW 0640-0825 PVD Daily M80



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User currently offlineAirportugal310 From Palau, joined Apr 2004, 3626 posts, RR: 2
Reply 22, posted (10 years 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 2342 times:

Big reason for Providence is that sure, you can fly to Logan -- but -- you cannot leave the airport -- until Logan has "shuttles" to the rest of NE, Logan is a totally impossible airport. Providence, or Springfield (Bradley) or Manchester or Portland -- DO NOT USE LOGAN, you cannot move from the damned airport. I'm a dyed in the wool yankee, grew up just outside of Boston, and have family in both Maine, Massachusetts and Rhode Island. Under no circumstances do I ever even consider using Logan

Are you for real???

Everyday I work there and wait for my Logan Express bus, I see buses heading to Providence on Bonanza, Portland, Vermont, Hyannis, Woods Hole...just to name a few.

How do I know this? Because when some of our flights to the Cape get x'led, we send pax to the Cape ferry terminals via road transport.

If your a dyed in wool yankee as you put it, why dont you consider supporting all of the airports in your area, not just the ones you like.



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User currently offlineAirportugal310 From Palau, joined Apr 2004, 3626 posts, RR: 2
Reply 23, posted (10 years 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 2333 times:

It was also nice when Air Luxor flew the A330 into PVD. What happened to that flight?


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User currently offlineMikeycpvd From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 162 posts, RR: 2
Reply 24, posted (10 years 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 2304 times:

As far as I heard, Air Luxor didn't have an available A330 to use for this summer flights.

Thanks for the timetables, MAH. Those look like some pretty well thought out flights. Only 1 RON which should ease ramp congestion. We already have close to 10 RONs that arent hooked up to a bridge. A kickoff to FLL, and an early morning arrival from DTW to accomodate red-eyes from the West Coast, which turns around and does the RSW rotation, and then goes back to DTW, for more West coast contributions.

I'm worried about screening checkpoint delays again. As of now, with the new layout, the longest I've been in line for is about 20 minutes. And although the winter is less busy than the summer, we are getting a plethora of new flights starting next Monday with Independence. As mentioned, US is doubling PHL, and South Florida finally gets the service it deserves. Trust us PVD locals, these flights will excel. Just as confident as we were about AA's DFW service (which routinely goes out 90-100% and comes in overbooked), NK should congratulate themselves on a power move. They will be banking on these flights. I guess we will have to find a new, most popular destination served without a nonstop, since DFW and FLL (previously #1 and #2) were both aquired within 12 months!



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25 PHLBOS : It's too bad NK wasn't already in PVD; my father could've used their future DTW-PVD service this past week when he visited my older brother. When he w
26 Boeing757/767 : Flairport -- If you need to get from Florida to Hartford/New Haven, use Song or Southwest. Why would you want to drive from PVD to CT when there's ple
27 Flairport : Boeing757/767, I'm exploring options now. Plus, if the fare is lower, I'd try it. Also, I'm a member of this site which is reason enough to go out of
28 Mikeycpvd : But where are they going to go? We have no ticket counter space or availible gates. They could use DL's Gate 22 though, since it is only used once a d
29 SegmentKing : don't forget that in Ft. Lauderdale you have a few strong small fries that compete well against American Eagle & Continental/Gulfstream. Cape Air is a
30 Jeffie813 : someone needs to start PVD - PBI service. southwest are you listening?? the way spirit keeps PBI as a seasonal destination drives me nuts. (somehow RS
31 MAH4546 : These airlines are also located in the same terminal as Spirit, so the connection opportunities within Florida & the Bahamas exist (and they're much e
32 PVD757 : O&D Markets to/from PVD (current service): (based on year end 03 numbers) 1. BWI (WN) 2. MCO (WN, US sat. only) 3. ORD/MDW (AA, UA, WN) 4. TPA (WN) 5.
33 ERJ170 : Hey PVD.. is that official from PVD Airport Authority? Or was that somewhere where I can check on RDU? Do you also have international numbers?
34 PVD757 : these are numbers compiled for the PVD airport but are based on official USDOT traffic reports provided by the airlines to the gov,t.
35 ERJ170 : Know where I can find that info?
36 GD727 : Mikeycpvd: Thanks for the info, isn't Indy Air using that area as well?
37 Post contains links TUNisia : Looks like one-way fares will start out as low as $44 each way! Awesome http://www.turnto10.com/money/3666482/detail.html TUNisia
38 Lat41 : O & D numbers, depending on who compiles them, are skewed in my opinion, when a small or medium size airport is located within, or on the edge of a hu
39 Nwafflyer : PVD is a nice airport -- those of us going to New England use either PVD, or Bradley, or Manchester -- Logan is a non - issue, it's an impossible airp
40 Airplaneslover : WOW...I didn't know that PVD has a runway long enough to accomodate an Air Luxor A330. Anyway, I know USAirways uses 4 gates for mainline service and
41 MAH4546 : I would say ditto for SJU which dosen't make the list at all. The DOT only collects the O&D and fare numbers for domestic flights within the lower 48.
42 PVD757 : 54. SJU (11,770 annual pax CY2003) (BOS and BDL both have widebody nonstops - guess where everyone from PVD is going to get to SJU???!!!) 52. HNL (12,
43 MAH4546 : 54. SJU (11,770 annual pax CY2003) (BOS and BDL both have widebody nonstops - guess where everyone from PVD is going to get to SJU???!!!) 52. HNL (12,
44 PVD757 : The report is prepared specially for PVD by aviation consultants and is taken from the DOT O & D Survey - database products.
45 DCAYOW : "The DOT only collects the O&D and fare numbers for domestic flights within the lower 48. They don't collect traffic for Hawai'i, Alaska, Puerto Rico,
46 ERJ170 : But can someone give me a link to where I can actually find the numbers, if it is possible?
47 DCAYOW : The data is generally sold and is expensive unless you buy it from the government - but the government gives it to you on obsolete media. For domestic
48 Post contains images Airportugal310 : "Logan is a non - issue, it's an impossible airport to drive away from" Ignorance is running rampant, especially those replies from people who dont re
49 Kim777fan : Definitely good news for this Detroit traveler who likes goind to Boston but hasn't liked the fares being charged by NW for PVD, BOS, or MHT. The firs
50 Mikeycpvd : Actually GD727, I think i may have confused myself. Indy Air will in fact get t.c. space over by Fleet ATM. I assume Spirit will at least have their o
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