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AA Might Reverse Belo Horizonte Suspension  
User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32620 posts, RR: 72
Posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 2253 times:

Brazilian newspaper Gazeta Mercantil is reporting AA may reverse their decission to suspend service to Belo Horizonte. The local state government is offering up to US$1M in subsidies and lowered airport fees for American to remain. They currently offer daily 777-200ER service to Sao Paulo, connecting to their Dallas, Miami, and New York City flights. The flight has traditionally relied on cargo to remain profitable (hence, it uses a 777), but cargo has dropped off significantly as of late, which is why the destination is being suspended. Another reason is that AA is unable to serve the city non-stop from Miami becuase of the strict and ancient US-Brazil treaty. We'll have to see what happens...the proposal will be presented within three weeks.


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User currently offlineSsides From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 4059 posts, RR: 21
Reply 1, posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 2198 times:

If Brazil wants the flight so bad, any chance they will renegotiate the treaty (of course, that could take years).

I often wondered why AA's flights to Belo Horizonte connected through GRU; I didn't know if it was regulatory or if there simply wasn't enough traffic to justify a separate nonstop.



"Lose" is not spelled with two o's!!!!
User currently offlineMiaskies From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 1346 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 2165 times:

Very interesting in deed! MAH...you think maybe they can pull a non stop flight out of MIA with a 762ER rather than 777 via GRU?



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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32620 posts, RR: 72
Reply 3, posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 2131 times:

I often wondered why AA's flights to Belo Horizonte connected through GRU; I didn't know if it was regulatory or if there simply wasn't enough traffic to justify a separate nonstop.

There is not enough traffic to justify a daily non-stop; they can justify a non-stop three times a week. Though it is still a low-yielding market, and profits will depend on cargo.

The 777 can carry more of that, and a tag-on can do it daily, so it made more sense to have a daily 777 tag-on to increase cargo yield than three weekly 763s. Though as cargo yield dropped off, making the flight three times a week non-stop from Miami become more justified, as it would help increase passenger yield.

you think maybe they can pull a non stop flight out of MIA with a 762ER rather than 777 via GRU?

If Brazil loosened up with their air treaty, yes, I think they could pull it off (with a 763, since the low-density 762s are reserved for trans-cons and Bermuda).




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User currently offlineAA787 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 610 posts, RR: 12
Reply 4, posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 2110 times:

What about an A300 with its beastly cargo capacity?

AA787



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User currently offlineMiaskies From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 1346 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 2048 times:

I think the A300 might be too big for this route, don't you think?
cargo wise great...but passenger wise?




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User currently offlineLuisde8cd From Pitcairn Islands, joined Aug 2004, 2571 posts, RR: 31
Reply 6, posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 2013 times:

I was browsing AA's fleet webpage and it says the A300 carries more pax than their 777s. Is that possible?

User currently offlineMiaskies From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 1346 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 1980 times:

Yes the AA AB6's carry more PAX. Than AA's 777. Remember the configuration of these aircraft are quite different. The A300's have a basic first/business class configuration thus allowing for more economy. While the 777 has the "flagship suites" in first class and nicer business class which require more space; thus reducing the total number of economy seats available.

That is my take on it and seems logical to me! Anyone else have any insight?

saludos.



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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32620 posts, RR: 72
Reply 8, posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 1947 times:

I was browsing AA's fleet webpage and it says the A300 carries more pax than their 777s. Is that possible?


As MIASkies pointed out, yes, it is possible.

AA's A300s have only two classes, First and Coach. First class has only three rows, and coach has 31" pitch.

AA's 777s have three classes, First, Business, and Coach. And Coach has a pitch between 33" and 35", depending on the row.



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User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days ago) and read 1876 times:

an A300 with its beastly cargo capacity?

...you forgot dense pax configuration and weak range.


User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32620 posts, RR: 72
Reply 10, posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 1861 times:

One more reason that AA had to suspend the flight and it became unprofitable as of late was fuel costs. With fuel prices the way they are right now, it was extremely expensive to fill up a 777 on a short hop between GRU and CNF, which takes less than one hour takeoff to touchdown. And the 777s take off heavy...usually with a full cargo load and the average passenger load factor was a high 86%.


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