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Is ABZ-GRQ On BMI Profitable?  
User currently offlineN774UA From Netherlands, joined Aug 2004, 343 posts, RR: 0
Posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 2207 times:

This is IMO not a leisure route, but is there enough business (oil) to make it profitable?

N774UA


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User currently offlineCapital146 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2003, 2125 posts, RR: 44
Reply 1, posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 2150 times:

I can't speak for bmi regional, but before they came along Eastern Airways did this route and the flights were essentially a contract for Shell, therefore almost certainly a profit-making exercise. Eastern used the J41 at first and it was almost always fully loaded passenger-wise. The plan was for their Saab 2000 leased from Golden Air to do this run in between the ABZ-NCL-SOU sectors. However, things changed and bmi came onto the route instead.


Like a fine wine, one gets better with age.
User currently offlinePe@rson From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 19196 posts, RR: 52
Reply 2, posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 2136 times:

Wasn't the T3 service a charter?


"Everyone writing for the Telegraph knows that the way to grab eyeballs is with Ryanair and/or sex."
User currently offlineCapital146 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2003, 2125 posts, RR: 44
Reply 3, posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 2125 times:

Yes, a scheduled charter though. It was scheduled to leave ABZ every Mon, Wed, Fri at 10:30. A short time later (just after I left T3) it became a full scheduled service and appeared on their timetable for anyone to book. Not sure why this was. It could have been a drop in revenue from Shell (or even the contract expiring) or maybe a reaction to bmi announcing its intentions to fly the route.


Like a fine wine, one gets better with age.
User currently offlineWhitehatter From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 2092 times:

The business traffic on that route isn't oil. It's gas.

Oil companies deal in gas as well as liquid petroleum products, so that's where the need is.

If anyone's interested
http://www.geo.tudelft.nl/fmr/deosletter/97-1/html/art4/node1.html

Groningen is one of the largest natural gas fields in the world.

[Edited 2004-08-19 23:00:30]

User currently offlineKl911 From Ireland, joined Jul 2003, 5120 posts, RR: 12
Reply 5, posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 2083 times:

The HQ of the Dutch Gas company Gasunie is in GRQ. Also the dutch oil company NAM is based in Assen, just 15 km south of GRQ. Since both have many platforms on the North Sea close to Aberdeen that will be the reason for this line. It just opened not long time ago also to the general public, although the fares are high. maybe a touroperator will jump in soon.

KL911



Next trip : DUB-AUH-CGK-DPS-KUL-AUH-CDG-ORK :-)
User currently offlineJoFMO From Germany, joined Jul 2004, 2211 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 2071 times:

What other routes are offered from Groningen? My e-timetables doesnt show any flight to AMS, PAR or LON.

User currently offlineKl911 From Ireland, joined Jul 2003, 5120 posts, RR: 12
Reply 7, posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 2065 times:

JoFMO,

For a long time we had a GRQ-AMS, but KL stopped the route. After that an other airline operated the route, can't remember the name now, but that didn't last long. Ryanair flew GRQ for a few years, but that also just stopped. Al they have now are a lot of holiday charters, and business flights. They are growing fast according to their website. http://www.gae.nl/index.cfm?&language=en

* The easy way to go!

Groningen Airport Eelde is the regional airport for the northern part of the Netherlands. Each week, around one thousand passengers depart from Groningen Airport Eelde to their holiday destination. There are about 15 weekly charters to 8 different destinations. Furthermore many passengers make use of the daily scheduled service to Aberdeen from Monday through Friday. The airport also facilitates private charterflights for business travellers around Europe.

The comfort of flying from Groningen Airport Eelde

Groningen Airport Eelde is the easy way to go when it comes to your business and leisure trips. Just experience for yourself why so many people start their trip at our airport!





Next trip : DUB-AUH-CGK-DPS-KUL-AUH-CDG-ORK :-)
User currently offlineJoFMO From Germany, joined Jul 2004, 2211 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 2044 times:

Just was at Groningen internet site. It could be high-ranked in the list of airports with the smallest amount of scheduled traffic. Monday to Friday to Aberdeen with BMI and Monday and Friday to Norwich by Eastern Airways. Thats an amazing small number of flights.

User currently offlineKlmyank From Netherlands, joined May 2004, 172 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 2025 times:

Not to mention the KLM flight academy...

User currently offlineKl911 From Ireland, joined Jul 2003, 5120 posts, RR: 12
Reply 10, posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 2023 times:

Don't forget all the charters and business flights.. This summer i was sitting outside on the terrace and I had 2 737's and a 757 parked in front of me at 20 meters distance... No fence, nothing.... I love those small airports!

2x 737 was Transavia 757 was Dutchbird.



Next trip : DUB-AUH-CGK-DPS-KUL-AUH-CDG-ORK :-)
User currently offlineN774UA From Netherlands, joined Aug 2004, 343 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 1971 times:

For a long time we had a GRQ-AMS, but KL stopped the route. After that an other airline operated the route, can't remember the name now, but that didn't last long.

Wasn't that FlyMetropolis?

N774UA



...follow his instructions, switch off at the stand.
User currently offlineKLbambie From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2004, 98 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 1953 times:

Here is a link to local paper for you folks. Apparently things are going a little better for BMI on this route in comparison to when they first started it. Article is dated the 11th May 2004, having a look to see if there is anything a little more recent.

I'm sure the money from the Scottish Executive is a help!?!?!?!


http://www.thisisnorthscotland.co.uk/displayNode.jsp?nodeId=149235&command=displayContent&sourceNode=149218&contentPK=9910086


User currently offlineLXLGU From South Africa, joined Sep 2000, 1085 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 1952 times:

This is a business route
Next week loads

MON ABZ GRQ 37 GRQ ABZ 16
TUE ABZ GRQ 9 GRQ ABZ 23
WED ABZ GRQ 25 GRQ ABZ 21
THU ABZ GRQ 21 ABZ GRQ 22
FRI ABZ GRQ 10 GRQ ABZ 30

This is on the ER3 that seats 37 so loads not too bad
Fares are between 148 and 494 pounds return

Cheers!
Tony


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