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767-200/300 Vs A330-200/300  
User currently offlinejr From United States of America, joined May 1999, 968 posts, RR: 6
Posted (15 years 9 months 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 13405 times:

Which do you think is a better aircraft and why? While the 767 is a
magnificent aircraft it was built much earlier than the A330 (i guess
the primary competition then was the A300/310). If you look at the A330
today it is about the same size as the 767, has a much larger cargo
capacity and is cheaper to operate as well (and in my opinion more
comfortable as well - wider and roomier seats than boeing).
Wonder why more airlines are not ordering the 330 over the 767. US
airways is the only US airline to have done it so far - NW is still on a
"may be" note it seems like. Is it a "Buy American" attitude that is
preventing US airlines from buying the A330?


Looking forward to your comments.
Thanks. -jr


I've flown on 9V-SPK.
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User currently offlineMD-11 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (15 years 9 months 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 13408 times:

Well, obviously the A330 is superior, almost by just virtue of the fact that the 767 is about two decades older.

I'm sure it is a sort of a "buy American" attitude that has kept AI pretty much out of the U.S. market, but just watch them make progress there... The US Airways A330 order is a good first step...


User currently offlineBryan From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (15 years 9 months 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 13406 times:

Hi,
Yeah, the 767-200 was initially intended as an A300 competitor. As the A300 started to age though, the 767 seemed to be by it's self. Then in 1992, when the A330 was launched the 767-300 had a real competitor.

However, I look at the Boeing vs. Airbus situation like this:

767-200 vs. A310

767-300 vs. A300

737 vs. A320

757 vs. A321

777 vs. A330

747 vs. A340


Personally though, I like the 767 better than the A330. Don't know why, maybe it's the joystick controls that turn me off the A330.
As for the american airlines not wanting to buy A330s and buying just US built airliners. I think that's good. I mean, at least there's some patriotism left in the world! Personally I don't know why Air France bought 777s over A330s, A330s are made in France.
I realize that there's also alot of other factors involved in choosing an aircraft. (I'm not completely nieve!)

Bryan


User currently offlineBryanG From United States of America, joined May 1999, 431 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (15 years 9 months 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 13405 times:

The 767 has nearly two decades of proof that it is safe, efficient, and reliable. Airlines today can feel perfectly safe that they are purchasing a first class product. Now that the 767-400 is nearly ready, the A330 truly has competition. Though the largest A330 is about 50 seats greater in capacity than the 764, the 767's range exceeds its Airbus competitor's by nearly 1000 miles. The 767 also provides more flexibility: its family members range all the way from the 181 seat 762 to the 300-325 seat 764. The recent 767 orders by Continental are proof that the airlines still value this wide range of flexibility.

User currently offlineMD-11 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (15 years 9 months 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 13405 times:

Which exact 767 and A330 models are you quoting the range for when you say the 767 has over 1000 miles more? The 767s most certainly do not have over 1000 miles more range than the A330-200, note, -200.

User currently offlineBryanG From United States of America, joined May 1999, 431 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (15 years 9 months 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 13408 times:

I was pitting the *largest* of each against each other. Boeing quotes the range of the 764 as 6,500 miles, and Airbus quotes the range for the A330-300 as 5,500. Even though the A330-300 is still larger than its Boeing competitor, the new 764 at least gives it some competition.

However, when you compare the A330-200 and the 764, the specs are nearly identical. Both carry 250 passengers for 6,500 miles, though the A330-200 is 57,000 lb heavier and would burn over 12,500 more gallons of fuel.


User currently offlinecksh From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (15 years 9 months 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 13405 times:

I am not sure...

But I heard this somewhere:

B767 needs some smaller cargo containers (LD-3)...This may be a cargo handling problem for airline like Cathay Pacific...Cathay Pacific has all wide-bodies aircrafts in its fleet...if only one type of aircraft requires those smaller containers, it would be silly!! So, I guess why Cathay Pacific chose A330-300.





User currently offlineUALA319 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (15 years 9 months 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 13405 times:

It is not fair to compare the A330-300 to the 767-400 but instead the A330-200 and the 767-400 which are much more similar in terms of capacity. The A332 beats the 764 in range by 1400 km which I think makes it a better plane. Also, Airbus measures a planes range in nautical miles while Boeing measures range in miles- there is a difference. That's why I think in km's.

The A333 is a good plane as well but I think the 777 (its closest competitor) outperforms it. However these planes are not really in the same class.


User currently offlineDrew From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (15 years 9 months 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 13405 times:

No doubt about it A330's are way better than the 767's. The reason why americans buy the 767 is because of patriotism and government crap, which gives airbus a hard time to sell it here. However a comment was made about Air France ordering the 777 over the A330 is because they already have the A330-300 in there fleet and needed an even bigger aircraft so thats why they choose the 777 not because the A333 was not a good aircraft. However if you compare the A332 to the 764 then youll notice that airlines prefer the A332 than the 764.

User currently offlinesv11 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 161 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (15 years 9 months 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 13405 times:

It seems to me that the A330-200 is outselling the 767-400 by 2 to 1. Indeed I feel the A330-200 is the best twin widebody Airbus has right now. Regarding the Air France order I think they had some outstanding orders for 737, 767s and they ran into trouble and ended up converting it to the 777 rather than losing their deposits with BA. Any one can confirm this?

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