Whitehatter From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 2, posted (8 years 10 months 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 2755 times:
US gains a route structure from MAN, and additional flexibility out of GLA to route via MAN. With loads the way they are at present there could even be mileage in a second daily PHL-MAN flight.
BD gains by filling in areas in the USA which its current arrangements with United don't cover.
There are benefits to both sides here, especially in extending travel options for the increasing percentage of internet bookings that both are experiencing. US probably sees the increasing presence of Star at Manchester as being beneficial, especially as they are moving to T1 soon.
A330323X From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 3039 posts, RR: 47 Reply 8, posted (8 years 10 months 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 2683 times:
PHL-MAN indeed does better than PHL-LGW. However, a 2nd PHL-LGW (on a 767) would do better than a 2nd PHL-MAN (on a 767).
US does fantastically in the Envoy cabin to MAN, but would have big trouble filling the front on a second flight. The 767 also has significantly weaker cargo abilities.
This should've been done long ago, along wth agreements with many other STAR carriers.
As I said, US already codeshares with UA/LH/JK. I agree that an agreement with AC is notably absent. But there is really no route overlap between US and any of the other carriers. US has a fantastic Caribbean network that other Star carriers don't have. But in terms of codesharing, US already codeshares with all the Star carriers that fly into PHL (UA/LH) and with all the Star carriers whose hubs it serves from PHL (JK/BD/LH/UA), except AC. In major Star cities, US tends to serve the "wrong" airport for transoceanic connections. LGA instead of JFK/EWR. DCA instead of IAD. FLL instead of MIA. US is very strong at BOS, but the rest of Star is very weak there.
US probably will eventually reach agreements with most of the Star carriers. An agreement with NH will allow a pax to fly PHL-US-LAX-NH-NRT. But the US pax can already fly PHL-US-ORD-UA-NRT, and the NH pax can already fly NRT-NH-ORD-UA-PHL. So there's really not a hurry. BD was one of the two important ones left; AC is next.
Obviously, if US were to start, say, PHL-WAW, then US/LO would likely begin a codeshare. Likewise, if SK were to start, say, CPH-BOS, then US/SK would likely begin a codeshare.
I'm the expert on here on two things, neither of which I care about much anymore.
Whitehatter From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 9, posted (8 years 10 months 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 2654 times:
There is definitely a case for US to look long and hard at Manchester.
AA have found, to their obvious delight, that MAN can fill the seats. Even the Miami operation is now starting to fill up for the 1st November launch, and loads on the BOS flight have been consistently excellent. The gossip from T3 is that BOS will be 767 next year, and even considered for year round.
There also seems to be many more USA travellers routing via Manchester than ever before, rather than through London's airports. EK,QR,PK all have comfortably timed onward connections for the US arrivals.
US would potentially do well with a second service from MAN, not necessarily to PHL. Maybe even a CLT flight to cut into some of the market Delta has to the southern half of the US and onward.
All just speculation on my part, but if US has aircraft available from withdrawing some transatlantics then they should be considering an airport and market that has traditionally been kind to them.
JoFMO From Germany, joined Jul 2004, 2211 posts, RR: 0 Reply 10, posted (8 years 10 months 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 2637 times:
US should also try to reach an deal with AirOne in Italy. They have a very extensive Italian network and serve 1300 weekly flights with 29 737's. They have the smae ff-scheme as LH,OS and LO and all their flights also have an LH flight number.
AirOne would be the perfect onward partner for US and their Rome flight.
I even wonder if AirOne will become an star member anytime.
Skyteam10001 From United States of America, joined exactly 9 years ago today! , 194 posts, RR: 0 Reply 11, posted (8 years 10 months 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 2610 times:
no offence but I flew Air One this summer FCO-PMO and i can't say I was impressed. Old aircraft, bad service. Not necessarily the standard you would expect from a Star Alliance member. But then that was one flight, and maybe wasn't representative of their overall performance.
Col From Malaysia, joined Nov 2003, 2042 posts, RR: 22 Reply 12, posted (8 years 10 months 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 2468 times:
US and BMI would be a good code share arrangement. Both use 330's with their excellent cargo capacity, and the hub growth potential at MAN is growing everyday, as people get tired of going down to London.
Someone mentioned Star going to T1, about time they put it under one roof.
ERJ170 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 6636 posts, RR: 19 Reply 13, posted (8 years 10 months 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 2445 times:
BMI wants to codeshare to RDU? That's cool to see.. evidently theysee a good passenger load for RDU? But why not LH? I wouldhave thought there would be a LH codeshare to RDU by now since there won't be any direct flights!
UK_Dispatcher From United Arab Emirates, joined Dec 2001, 2553 posts, RR: 32 Reply 20, posted (8 years 10 months 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 2147 times:
Whitehatter - I didn't realise US were moving over to T1. It will be better for the proposed BD/US codeshare, certainly. When is this taking effect? Will SQ be joining us too? It would be nice to see bmi handling US Airways in T1 - it would certainly harmonise the operation.
FLYtoEGCC From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2004, 947 posts, RR: 3 Reply 21, posted (8 years 10 months 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 2141 times:
If/when this Star Alliance move to T1 goes ahead, will any of the T1 airlines without any kind of alliance move to T2 to restore the balance a bit? The US, SQ and long-haul BD flights are usually scheduled to be on the ground together at some point, aren't they... so would it make sense for some airlines to move to T2 to prevent overcrowding?
Col From Malaysia, joined Nov 2003, 2042 posts, RR: 22 Reply 22, posted (8 years 10 months 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 2123 times:
Just thinking about the hubbing at MAN. It would be good to link the Asia flights to USA East Coast. Alas, the BMI/US flights depart some 6 hours after the SQ arrives (if memory serves me right). There needs to be some better timing alignment here. Also MAN is short on flights to HKG, NRT and PVG/PEK. Virgin doing HKG, ANA - NRT and BD to PVG/PEK, would be a nice fit. Just my thoughts.