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"Burning" A/c In CGN (Fr. 20/8)  
User currently offlineGeizistgeil From Germany, joined Apr 2004, 149 posts, RR: 0
Posted (10 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 4934 times:


News just reported that a Spanair on its way to the runway in CGN caught fire and pax were evacuated with slides.
Seems, that there were no injuries! The a/c was going to PMI.
No infos what caused the fire or which type.

Bad start for a holiday!

MS

[Edited 2004-08-20 11:36:48]


"If the Wright brothers were alive today. Wilbur would have to fire Orville to reduce costs" (H. Kelleher)
21 replies: All unread, jump to last
 
User currently offlineGeizistgeil From Germany, joined Apr 2004, 149 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (10 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 4843 times:

update:
it was a McD-83 with 168 pax (7 of them got minor injuries).

"Durch einen Hydraulikschaden ist Öl auf das heiße Triebwerk getropft. Das hat zu einer starken Rauchentwicklung geführt" sagte die Flughafensprecherin.
"Due to a damage hydraulic liquid pour on the engine which caused heavy smoke" a spokeswoman of the airport said.

Seems not that bad - luckily it happend during taxi.
Waiting for the first pictures....


[Edited 2004-08-20 11:54:26]


"If the Wright brothers were alive today. Wilbur would have to fire Orville to reduce costs" (H. Kelleher)
User currently offlineAirTrader From Netherlands, joined Jun 2004, 40 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (10 years 2 months 1 week 1 day ago) and read 4663 times:

7 people were affected by smoke inhalation and were taken to hospital. Smoke started in the cockpit and must of the wounded were crew. plane was an md83


Cabin Crew: doors to manuel and crossdress
User currently offlineMaersk737 From Denmark, joined Feb 2004, 710 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (10 years 2 months 1 week 23 hours ago) and read 4571 times:

"Spanair, its always spanair!"

Why do you say that???


Cheers

Peter





I'm not proud to be a Viking, just thankfull
User currently offlineTurbulence From Spain, joined Nov 1999, 963 posts, RR: 20
Reply 4, posted (10 years 2 months 1 week 23 hours ago) and read 4527 times:

Yeah, Catatonic, that's your word. Very wise description of yourself, boy... Almost as wise as your comment.

The incident occured during taxi, and as soon as the crew noticed the smoke (NOT the fire) the taxi was stopped and the aircraft evacuated. The only injuries (physicakl ones) were two people who suffered of light burbings on their hands due to having scratched them.

Everybody on board has been driven to a hospital as mandatory by air safety regulations, but nothing surprising is expected after the examinations.

The aircraft is going to remain grounded at Köln until further technical inspections have been carried.

Enjoy turbulences!!!

[Edited 2004-08-20 14:20:18]

User currently offlineCatatonic From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2004, 1155 posts, RR: 3
Reply 5, posted (10 years 2 months 1 week 23 hours ago) and read 4517 times:

Peter, spanair are cursed with minor incidents, look it up in the search under spanair and incidents. Stuck in the mud at glasgow, damaged door in stockholm, skidded off the runway in munich and there was a recent incident at liverpool and now this. All this in the last 4 years, more than the average airline of similar fleet size experiences dont you think?


Equally Cursed and Blessed.
User currently offlineCatatonic From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2004, 1155 posts, RR: 3
Reply 6, posted (10 years 2 months 1 week 23 hours ago) and read 4486 times:

Turbulence - Thankyou for your cheap insult, my comments were backed up with evidence provided, please read. Should you feel the need to make further hissy little comments please feel free to do so, the majority of those who possess a degree of intellect just disregard as I have done.


Equally Cursed and Blessed.
User currently offlineMaersk737 From Denmark, joined Feb 2004, 710 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (10 years 2 months 1 week 23 hours ago) and read 4472 times:

Well Catatonic, as long as its only minor incidents, We don't have to worry too much  Smile/happy/getting dizzy


Cheers

Peter



I'm not proud to be a Viking, just thankfull
User currently offlineTurbulence From Spain, joined Nov 1999, 963 posts, RR: 20
Reply 8, posted (10 years 2 months 1 week 23 hours ago) and read 4451 times:

"Turbulence - Thankyou for your cheap insult, my comments were backed up with evidence provided, please read."

Sorry, pal, not at the moment I wrote. Your evidence was posted later, after someone asked you (more politely than me, I must accept) what were you meaning.

"just disregard as I have done."
I disagree: as you answered it seems that you did not disregard.

(above text edited after having read Mr Catatonic's further better explained reply)



OK, that's quite a better explanation of your "feelings"...

My most sincere apologies.

Anyway, as you say, they are minor incidents. I'm not trying to justify anything, but in any case, incidents, not accidents. It can have been bad luck, too. Skid unpon landing under heavy rain, for example. Having a door damaged by a jetbridge is not company's responsability.

Anyway... five incidents in four years, can't judge how good or bad average it is.

If you want another one, I flew BCN-PMI round three weeks ago, and the flight was 2 hours late because teh pressurization system of "my" M83 was not working properly.

Enjoy turbulences!!!

[Edited 2004-08-20 15:06:33]

User currently offlineCatatonic From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2004, 1155 posts, RR: 3
Reply 9, posted (10 years 2 months 1 week 22 hours ago) and read 4421 times:

I think all of the incidents with spanair have just been bad luck, that is what I'm trying to say, it could happen to any airline no matter how good their maintenance is or how good their pilots are, its just that spanair have been unlucky. I would have no hesitation in flying with them I think their safety record is as good as the rest and better than most, better than britannia (Just thought I'd throw that in)!


Equally Cursed and Blessed.
User currently offline7LBAC111 From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2004, 2566 posts, RR: 35
Reply 10, posted (10 years 2 months 1 week 22 hours ago) and read 4402 times:

Turbulence,

Catatonic is dead right - I myself posted an evacuation of a Spanair flight not so long ago at PMI.

Spanair are having a run of incidents - Catatonic simply made an observation. Perhaps you should reread his posting before becoming personal.

MArk



Debate is what you put on de hook when you want to catch de fish.
User currently offlineDcrusafon From Spain, joined Apr 2004, 333 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (10 years 2 months 1 week 22 hours ago) and read 4347 times:


skidded off the runway in munich
Catatonic, just a remark: the one that skidded in MUC was an Air Europa plane...not to Spanair...

DARIO


User currently offlineCatatonic From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2004, 1155 posts, RR: 3
Reply 12, posted (10 years 2 months 1 week 22 hours ago) and read 4323 times:

DARIO....


View Large View Medium
Click here for bigger photo!

Photo © Michael Fritz



Looks like a Spanair to me!



P.S. Thanks Mark



Equally Cursed and Blessed.
User currently offlineMaersk737 From Denmark, joined Feb 2004, 710 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (10 years 2 months 1 week 22 hours ago) and read 4300 times:

"Looks like a Spanair to me!"

Just a little  Smile/happy/getting dizzy  Smile/happy/getting dizzy


Cheers

Peter





I'm not proud to be a Viking, just thankfull
User currently offlineDcrusafon From Spain, joined Apr 2004, 333 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (10 years 2 months 1 week 22 hours ago) and read 4268 times:

Catatonic,

Well, then, there was also another incident Embarrassment the 20th June 2004 in which a Boeing 738 EC-HKR skidded of the runway 26R getting out in fast taxiway A6.

It seems that our spanish carrier are not lucky Wink/being sarcastic

DARIO



User currently offlineDcrusafon From Spain, joined Apr 2004, 333 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (10 years 2 months 1 week 22 hours ago) and read 4259 times:

Here is the picture:


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Click here for bigger photo!

Photo © Max Teuber



DARIO


User currently offlineTurbulence From Spain, joined Nov 1999, 963 posts, RR: 20
Reply 16, posted (10 years 2 months 1 week ago) and read 2284 times:

OK, let's see...
If you read all the replies in the correct chonological order (now not totally possible, since what was originally reply #2 by Catatonic has been deleted (I wonder why  Smile/happy/getting dizzy ), you'll all see that:

When I initially posted my first reply (now #4) the only comment by Catatonic was "Spanair, it's always Spanair", with no further comments. My replay was to give some light from a Spanish Agency (not necessarily meaning more accurated, but at least supposedly spoke directly with Spanair) and I added an ironic commentary about silly useless comment, now deleted. That's why Maersk737's reply (#3)makes no sense: it quotes a sentence that cannot be found.

Afer that, Catatonic wrote a more satisfactory and self-explanatory reply (#5) and replied to me also (#6)

Finally, I wrote message #8, got reply #9, and everything seemed solved.

But there comes Mr. 7LBAC111 and accuses me of "becoming personal" just because I ironized on a now deleted meaningless sentence. Well, maybe 7LBAC111 became personal on me just because the flag that appears next-to my name is the same that appears next-to Spanair's planes registration.

Pal, I cannot "reread" a reply BEFORE it is posted. That simple.

My "attack" towards Catatonic was written when he had just written a useless reply, and only AFTER my words he posted a better explanation of what he meant. When I posted my first post, there was no observation made to be read.

Hope evereything has been clarified. Should Catatonic have posted first his explanatiry reply, I would have never ironized on him. That's all.

Enjoy turbulences!!!



User currently offlineCatatonic From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2004, 1155 posts, RR: 3
Reply 17, posted (10 years 2 months 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 2238 times:

Turbulence - So childish, why cant u just drop the subject. For a start you should have at least waited for me to reply to Maersk737's question before jumping down my throat, by the way:

"Catatonic has been deleted (I wonder why)"

Probably because you suggested it be deleted



Equally Cursed and Blessed.
User currently offlineTurbulence From Spain, joined Nov 1999, 963 posts, RR: 20
Reply 18, posted (10 years 2 months 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 2092 times:

I dropped down the question, at least in front of you, when things seemed resolved and understood. That past.

My last post was not adressed to you, but to 7LBAC111 just to clarify the order in which things happened. I do not like to be accused for no reason. That fair.

About your answer to Maersk737, you just could have given your explained answer first, and nothing of this would have never occured. That easy.

As for the deletion of your reply, and because sometimes it happens what I wrote above, that some replies remain meaningless after, I do not suggest deletions. That clear.

Enjoy turbulences!!!

Jordi.


User currently offline7LBAC111 From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2004, 2566 posts, RR: 35
Reply 19, posted (10 years 2 months 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 2068 times:

Turbulence,

The flag before your name has absolutely no bearing whatsoever on why I responded to what appeared to be an unnecessary personal attack on Catatonic. Why you feel it necessary to mention that is beyond me, and I imagine most people reading this topic.

Your response was quite clearly Yeah, Catatonic, that's your word. Very wise description of yourself, boy.

That is derogatory, derisory and sarcastic, and it is for that reason that I do suggest deletions.

Turbulence, this is a discussion forum, we will all agree and disagree with each other from time to time. Posts like yours above are not beneficial to any of us.



Debate is what you put on de hook when you want to catch de fish.
User currently offlineTurbulence From Spain, joined Nov 1999, 963 posts, RR: 20
Reply 20, posted (10 years 2 months 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 1959 times:

Hi Mark, (and everyone else)

Look, let's stop all this. It has become nonsense. You write about "posts like yours are not beneficial to any of us". OK, maybe I ironized on Catatonic, but from my first post I explained what I knew. On the opposite hand, Catatonic had just written a nonsense sentence.

That "Catatonic is dead right" is possible for me to see, also. As everybody has read, he explained more logical things, to what I answered with my apologies. He went also further adding that these events could be just bad luck.

The posts that "are not beneficial to any of ours" is the first plain simple useless now deleted "Spanair, it's always Spanair" that originated all this misunderstanding.

I hope everything is clear and have no intention to come back to this topic. It is plain clear that I ironized on an initial useless comment, not on any explained knowledge, and that after an explanation I offered my apologies.

Enjoy the hobby.

Enjoy turbulences!!!


User currently offlineMaersk737 From Denmark, joined Feb 2004, 710 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (10 years 2 months 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 1912 times:

I also thought that catatonic's first reply was a little "mysterious"  Smile/happy/getting dizzy
But he backed it up very nicely, with hardcore facts!

My respect to catatonic for that  Big thumbs up

Cheers

Peter




I'm not proud to be a Viking, just thankfull
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