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TAP A310 In Near Miss - Pax Injured  
User currently offlineWidebody From Ireland, joined Aug 2000, 1152 posts, RR: 8
Posted (9 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 7595 times:

Full article on www.irishexaminer.com

A Portuguese airliner dived sharply to avoid a mid-air collision with a smaller aircraft near the Azores Islands today, injuring 23 passengers and two crew.

The TAP Air Portugal Airbus A310, carrying 131 passengers and eight crew from Lisbon, was on its approach to the mid-Atlantic islands when a cockpit alarm and the local air traffic control tower warned the pilot of an imminent collision with a twin-engine Beechcraft crossing its path, officials said.

The jetliner went into a steep descent and those on board who were not wearing seat belts were thrown against the plane’s ceiling. None of the injuries was said to be serious.

The Beechcraft, which belonged to private Portuguese airline Omni, was flying to Cascais, near Lisbon, officials said.

The TAP Air Portugal plane landed safely and some of those hurt were taken to hospital, the flag-carrier said in a statement. The Beechcraft continued its flight.

Authorities said they were opening an official investigation into the incident.


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User currently offline7LBAC111 From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2004, 2566 posts, RR: 35
Reply 1, posted (9 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 7468 times:

Wow - thats the 2nd Near Miss posting today. (the other at LAX)
Thank god this didnt end in disaster.




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User currently offlineCV990 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (9 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 7263 times:


Hi!

Just to add, the TAP airplane involved was A310-300 CS-TEW and according with some passengers the airplane made a righ turn and then it descended right away.
Regards


User currently offlineLuisde8cd From Pitcairn Islands, joined Aug 2004, 2570 posts, RR: 31
Reply 3, posted (9 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 7180 times:

Does anyone know which was the flight's destination/arrival airports?

User currently offlineCedarjet From United Kingdom, joined May 1999, 8051 posts, RR: 54
Reply 4, posted (9 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 7145 times:

Why do people take their seatbelts off in flight? Anyone who dies of injuries in turbulence (other than cabin crew and pax going to or from the toilet) should be given a Darwin Award. It never fails to astound me when I hear a chorus of unbuckling sounds when the seatbelt sign goes off after takeoff. Idiots.


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User currently offlineFRAspotter From United States of America, joined May 2004, 2341 posts, RR: 9
Reply 5, posted (9 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 7138 times:

Here is the same story from airwise.com

http://news.airwise.com/stories/2004/08/1093002529.html



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User currently offlineFRAspotter From United States of America, joined May 2004, 2341 posts, RR: 9
Reply 6, posted (9 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 7121 times:

Cedarjet,

So you are saying that you have NEVER unbuckled your seatbelt even once while flying in an airplane? That is extremely hard to believe... Insane



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User currently offlineCancidas From Poland, joined Jul 2003, 4112 posts, RR: 11
Reply 7, posted (9 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 7107 times:

err.... why was the beechcraft routed in front of a heavy?


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User currently offlineKnoxibus From France, joined Aug 2007, 258 posts, RR: 23
Reply 8, posted (9 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 7048 times:
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Why do people take their seatbelts off in flight? Anyone who dies of injuries in turbulence (other than cabin crew and pax going to or from the toilet) should be given a Darwin Award. It never fails to astound me when I hear a chorus of unbuckling sounds when the seatbelt sign goes off after takeoff. Idiots.

At last somebody I definitely agree with. I hate that kind of attitude. I've got a friend who is F/O on a T7. At arrival, everytimes he hears the F/As performing a PA and saying "please remain seated until arrival at parking" to all the idiots that unbuckled their belts and are already opening the luggage bins, he slams on the brake slightly, just to scare them off. Morons.

Ohh and FRASpotter, even on long-haul flights, I NEVER unbuckle my seat belt, apart, like Cedarjet mentioned as you should have read, when going to the lavatories, or going to the galleys area chatting with the F/As  Smile



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User currently offlineCaptainGomes From Canada, joined Feb 2001, 6413 posts, RR: 56
Reply 9, posted (9 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 6988 times:

I agree, I always leave my seatbelt buckled during flight when I'm in my seat. I don't leave it tight, but you just never know when something might happen. You are travelling at high speed through the atmosphere, and there are many things that could happen instantly, and without warning.


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User currently offlineMD80Nut From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 901 posts, RR: 9
Reply 10, posted (9 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 6984 times:

>>Why do people take their seatbelts off in flight? Anyone who dies of injuries in turbulence (other than cabin crew and pax going to or from the toilet) should be given a Darwin Award. It never fails to astound me when I hear a chorus of unbuckling sounds when the seatbelt sign goes off after takeoff. Idiots.<<

I couldn't agree with you more, Cedarjet! I always keep my seatbelt on except when I have to go to the toilet. I was on a Piedmont 727-200 back in the early 80s when we hit a patch of turbulence. While it wasn't too bad, I saw people's heads and shoulders as they were momentarily lifted out of their seats before falling back. No one was hurt, only some drinks and food were spilt, and a few nerves frayed, but if it had been more severe many would have been injured. My seat belt kept me secured in my seat.

Stay safe, keep the seat belt buckled!

cheers, Ralph



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User currently offlineHenpol747 From Mexico, joined Jun 2001, 588 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (9 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 6860 times:

Remember: NEVER take your seatbelt off during the flight!!!  Big thumbs up

Cheers,

Henpol747



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User currently offlineFlyingColours From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2003, 2315 posts, RR: 10
Reply 12, posted (9 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 6829 times:

I always keep my seatbelt fastened from when I get on to when I get off - I never need to get up on the 4 hour flights.

What I don't get is this aircraft was on it's approach??? so why would people have their belts unfastned? the report says approach to the island so I am not sure.

RE T7 F/O: That's exactly what I plan to do when I start flying commercially.

So the beechcraft continued flying then?, seems odd - can't put it into logical words for you guys right now, maybe tomorrow.

Phil
FlyingColours



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User currently offlinePe@rson From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 19188 posts, RR: 52
Reply 13, posted (9 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 6766 times:

I too always keep my seatbelt tighted - I don't even think about it. The exception, of course, is when I need the toilet. I don't think I'd feel particularly comfortable without it tightened.


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User currently offlineThenoflyzone From Canada, joined Jan 2001, 2376 posts, RR: 12
Reply 14, posted (9 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 6673 times:

What's even more unbelievable here is that the TAP A310 was on its final portion of flight - i.e descent - and there were still 30+ people with no seatbelts on.

If it happened during the cruise portion of the flight, then I would understand, because not everyone puts on their seatbelt all the time while seated.

But during the approach phase of the flight!...Like you said CedarJet...IDIOTS!

TheNoFlyZone



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User currently offlineAussie747 From Australia, joined Aug 2003, 1163 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (9 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 6639 times:

In car do you take your sealt belt off whilst it is in motion, why should in the air be any different. Do what I do just loosen the seatbelt do not undo it. I have no sympathy for those that are injured because they took of their seatbelt. Being a candidate for the Darwin award is an understatement to say the least.


User currently offlineCanadianNorth From Canada, joined Aug 2002, 3389 posts, RR: 9
Reply 16, posted (9 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 6467 times:

When Im in my seat and the seatbelt sign goes off I have to admit I do loosen mine up so I can hardly tell its there, but never take it off unless it's to get something out of my pocket, go to the can, get something from the bin, etc. Seatbelts are for putting on, not for sitting on.



CanadianNorth



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User currently offlineAirxLiban From Lebanon, joined Oct 2003, 4506 posts, RR: 54
Reply 17, posted (9 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 6112 times:

there's really not a whole lot of point in unbuckling your seat belt during flight unless you're going to get up or have to move around.

now in a car its a different story...



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User currently offlineLeelaw From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (9 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 5911 times:

Unbuckling your seat belts? What about the concept of the airliner as a flying cruiseship, aka A380, with: lounges, bars, spas, pools, showers, duty free shops, bowling alleys, etc.?

User currently offlineJustplanecrazy From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2003, 536 posts, RR: 2
Reply 19, posted (9 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 5875 times:

Ive noticed in the many ITVV cockpit videos ive watched that the pilots rarely wear their seat belts.Apart from take off and landings.


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User currently offlineCRJboy From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 92 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (9 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 5844 times:

Every time we arrive in an airport and i say "For your safety and the safety of those around you..." everyone starts unbucling.....one time we really came hard toa stop and i saw someones face crush up agaisnt the seta in frotn of them...i waited till everyone left to start bursting out laughing....you do not unbuckle your seatbelt while you are in a active taxiway...period. If the seatbelt sign is on..remain seated... Smile

User currently offlineJonty From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2004, 226 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (9 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 5627 times:

Although I do agree with the fact that for safety you should keep your seatbelt fastened, when I was on a Air China Flight to PEK from LHR and on the return leg I was on a school trip of 25 ppl, so everyone got up and wandered about - it was the longest flight anyone had been on I think, i even went and sat in the isle next to my friends seat to do a crossword, and we sat on the stairs (it was a 747), and I even went and sat on the stewardess' seat to talk to one of my friends trapped in his seat by a sleeping Chinese person!
It is easy to stay seated for most of the flight on a shot haul flight, but it does get boring sitting in your seat for hours, especially when the films were in Chinese, and your friends are in random places in the cabin!

Although when on the ground its just common sense to keep your seat belt fastened, i mean, they tell you to do it, and they don't just say that for no reason! When on a flight from NCL to Fuerteventura (sorry, i dno't know the code) apart from having the hardest landing of my experience, the F/A had to tell twice and then shout at a man through the intercom for him to sit down as we were still decelerating on the runway, the reversers had only just shut off! stupid or what?

[Edited 2004-08-21 12:02:32]

User currently offlineTUNisia From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 1844 posts, RR: 5
Reply 22, posted (9 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 4804 times:

A funny thing happened to me a few weeks ago while flying FCO-JFK on AA. There was an area of clouds ahead and the pilot told the FA's to stop the pre-arrival snack service and to be seated.. yet people were still getting up to use the lavs. Amazing! Are these people deaf? Thankfully it wasn't that bad when we flew through the clouds, probably because we gained some altitude, as I heard the engines roar.

TUNisia



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User currently offlineGreasespot From Canada, joined Apr 2004, 3078 posts, RR: 20
Reply 23, posted (9 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 4752 times:

Actually most cockpit crew HAVE to wear their seat belts. What they can and do is release the shoulder straps. The waist belt is securely fastened. Atleast on the flights I have jump seated.

Greasespot



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User currently offlineBuyantUkhaa From Mongolia, joined May 2004, 2870 posts, RR: 3
Reply 24, posted (9 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 4728 times:

I might get slapped in my e-face for this, but...

It might be a cultural thing. Having lived in Portugal for some years now, I am still shocked everyday by the absolute disregard of Portuguese for safety procedures. If I wear a safety belt in a taxi, people will tell me I shouldn't as it is safer anyway in the city (oh really) and that the driver is a good driver. Also, when flying, Portuguese passengers will always walk around much more than other passengers. Although they're a friendly lot, I'd wish Portuguese would have more sense of responsibility. To not have your seatbelt fastened 10 mins before landing is just asking for trouble, sorry.



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25 Md11dude : Always wear em belts at least loosly....never know when a good case of CAT could sneak up and kick you in your sorry butt.... dk
26 BizFlyer : >>>Unbuckling your seat belts? What about the concept of the airliner as a flying cruiseship, aka A380, with: lounges, bars, spas, pools, showers, dut
27 Andz : What about the concept of the airliner as a flying cruiseship, aka A380, with: lounges, bars, spas, pools, showers, duty free shops, bowling alleys, e
28 BuyantUkhaa : I was watching the (not excellent) news channel "SIC Noticias", that reported extensively on the incident. They gave a lot of attention obviously to t
29 Vimanav : I vote for all those who keep their seat belts fastened throughout the flight. There may be accidents where wearing a seatbelt may not necessarily pro
30 Thenoflyzone : What about the concept of the airliner as a flying cruiseship, aka A380, with: lounges, bars, spas, pools, showers, duty free shops, bowling alleys, e
31 TAP1972 : Luisde8cd I guess no one has answered you, TAP was flying from Lis to Terceira Island in the Azores. The other plane was flying from Terceira to Casca
32 Redngold : I think there's a couple of airlines here in the U.S. which actually have written policies about passengers keeping their seatbelts fastened while sea
33 Post contains images FSPilot747 : I'm all military when it comes to airplanes . I sit up straight, don't recline, seatbelt on, and read a book or magazine whilst stirring the straw aro
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