AT From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 863 posts, RR: 0 Posted (8 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 7856 times:
Just curious, why is the new Singapore Airlines nonstop to Newark ? I would have thought JFK would be a more logical choice. Or may be not?
Also, I know they're aiming for the business market, but I still don't understand why they don't have First Class on the Airbus 340-500. Don't you get the most First Class passengers on the longest flights?
ConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 2, posted (8 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 7713 times:
Not that this issue hasnt been addressed numerous times over... but anyways, it didnt have anything to do with connections.
Quite simply, SQ didnt feel it could justify three destinations into NYC concurrently in todays market. It would have to ax either FRA-JFK (highly profitable) or AMS-EWR (weakly/not profitable).
SafetyDude From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 3795 posts, RR: 16 Reply 5, posted (8 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 7651 times:
SQ's non-stop service was aimed especially at business travelers, and SQ said that EWR was the best airport for these travelers (although it has been argued that EWR is only closer for some places in NYC and that JFK is closer for other places) - although other reasons, including ConcordeBoy's reply, were factors.
Flyguy1 From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 1691 posts, RR: 4 Reply 6, posted (8 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 7642 times:
EWR is closer to certain parts of Manhattan, not the whole boro. So SQ could not make a double daily service into JFK work? CX, and other Asian airlines seem to be successful at doing this.
SafetyDude From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 3795 posts, RR: 16 Reply 8, posted (8 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 7585 times:
So SQ could not make a double daily service into JFK work? CX, and other Asian airlines seem to be successful at doing this.
SQ is unique in that it had JFK-FRA-SIN and would also have JFK-SIN. Other carriers, including Asian carriers, have additional service, or service from other airports (such as BA and VS with service from EWR and JFK to LHR).
CX has JFK-YVR-HGK service, as well as direct JFK-HKG service. I believe that the JFK-YVR-HKG service is very profitable on the individual JFK-YVR and YVR-HKG segments, as well as the route on the whole.
For SQ, the only conceivable and logical way to get to SIN from NYC was doing the JFK-FRA-SIN (or EWR-AMS-SIN), compared to HKG where one could go to another Asian city first, fly to a different US city and then over to HKG, not to mention flying on another carrier (CO, for example). Simply put (as mentioned by ConcordeBoy), doing double JFK service would kill off the FRA routing, so they chose EWR where the AMS service would not be as affected.
JBLUA320 From United States of America, joined May 2002, 3160 posts, RR: 21 Reply 10, posted (8 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 7457 times:
Flyguy1 From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 1691 posts, RR: 4 Reply 11, posted (8 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 7380 times:
Concordeboy:
SQ never operated JFK 2x daily. The services to FRA, and AMS were operated on seperate days. FRA-JFK was 4/7, AMS/JFK was 3/7.
Leskova From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 6075 posts, RR: 72 Reply 12, posted (8 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 7239 times:
Flyguy1, actually not quite - FRA-JFK had been daily for quite a while, but went down to the 4 flights per week I think one or two years ago (might also have been after 9/11, but I'm not really sure when the cutback happened) - but it's been back to daily for a while again.
And wasn't the AMS flight into EWR anyhow? So it wouldn't have been JFK double-daily in any case...
SafetyDude From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 3795 posts, RR: 16 Reply 13, posted (8 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 6887 times:
The only thing that I can find is that SQ had 3x weekly SIN-AMS-EWR service which was discontinued when non-stop service started.
Ex_SQer From United States of America, joined Apr 2002, 1435 posts, RR: 6 Reply 14, posted (8 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 6656 times:
Actually all you guys were right:
JFK service started in 1992 with 3/7 via F-R-A and 3/7 via BRU. BRU-JFK was discontinued a year later and the 3/7 frequencies were routed via AMS. SIN-F RA-JFK went up to 4/7 later, thus giving SIA daily service to JFK.
In 1997, when SQ and LH started co-operating, FRA was upped to daily. That was when the 3/7 frequencies via AMS were routed to EWR. A 4th weekly flight was added later, before it was discontinued.
When the frequencies via F RA went up to daily, SQ initially planned to continue operating the AMS flights to JFK. However, because of flight timings (ie arrivals into both Europe and SIN), both services would have to depart JFK at about the same time. At that juncture, a decision was made to move the AMS flights to EWR.
Kfrg From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 15, posted (8 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 5729 times:
...well, Manhattan yes.
Tough to be closer to "the city" than JFK, which is in the city.
When people use the term "The City", they are reffering to the Borough of Manhattan, the financial district of NY. Queens is hardly "The City", it just happens to exist in the borders of the City of New York.
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