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ATA To Fly To Europe From US Using 757-300s?  
User currently offlineGilesdavies From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2003, 3023 posts, RR: 2
Posted (10 years 4 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 8436 times:

I apologise if this has already been discussed but have searched extensively using the search engine for the forum and could find anything...

I have just read in Aircraft Illustrated - September edition that ATA intends to launch Transatlantic services from next year, using a 757-300 and Cologne is likely to be one of their first routes.

Does anyone know if this is going to be a scheduled service or a charter and where in the US will it be operating too? I am very surprised they say it is a 757-300 as I did not think these had the range or capability to fly accross the Atlantic. Also I did not think it was ETOPS enabled for these sort of routes.

Could these be similar services operated by both Thomas Cook and SkyService between the UK and Toronto where flights start from £188 inc tax using 757's on a daily basis.

The exact article is very small and on page 23...

"US budget carrier ATA has confirmed that it intends to launch trans-Atlantic services from next year. German airport Cologne/Bonn is seen as a possible destination, with ATA's B757-300's considered an ideal type for a low cost trans-Atlantic flights"

[Edited 2004-08-22 22:02:56]

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User currently offlineN1120a From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26493 posts, RR: 75
Reply 1, posted (10 years 4 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 8293 times:

Depending on where they fly from, the 753 should be able to make it. Now, MDW-Koeln, I don't know if it can. Also, some routes across the Atlantic require no ETOPS at all, because of all the airports in Greenland, Canada, Iceland etc. Besides, ATA flies LAX-OGG and LAX-HNL non-stop, and there are NO alternative airports there


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User currently offlineGigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16347 posts, RR: 84
Reply 2, posted (10 years 4 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 8285 times:

ATA's 753 fleet, at least most of it, is ETOPS. Obviously, Hawaii requires it.

I would be surprised by a 753 getting a good across the Atlantic, but I'm sure its possible. It would have to be from the Northeast.

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User currently offlineFalcon Flyer From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 1325 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (10 years 4 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 8180 times:

I thought the intention was for the -200 series to be the main aircraft for the European flights.


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User currently offlineGLAGAZ From UK - Scotland, joined Feb 2004, 1983 posts, RR: 10
Reply 4, posted (10 years 4 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 8132 times:

ATA e-mailed me saying there is a good chance that they will be at GLA very soon.


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User currently offlineDutchjet From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 7864 posts, RR: 57
Reply 5, posted (10 years 4 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 8092 times:

If and when ATA starts operations to Europe (it seems that Cologne will be the first city to receive service - from which US city is still a big question) it will be with 757-200 aircraft, according to most reports and rumors. The 752 should not have a problem with a US east coast-Cologne segment; as pointed out above, the 753s are doing a lot of Hawaii services and also show up on high denisty US mainland routes.

User currently offlineATA767 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 419 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (10 years 4 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 7869 times:

The 75-300 are also doing military

User currently offlineCapt078 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 421 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (10 years 4 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 7772 times:

it was my understanding that ata plans to use 757-200 aircraft. i could be mistaken though.

User currently offlineRamerinianair From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 1486 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (10 years 4 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 7601 times:

The 753 is more economical than the 752 but the 752 has a longer range. The 753 can make it to Europe but it would have to be from BOS or JFK.
SR



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User currently offlineATAflyer From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 79 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (10 years 3 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 7150 times:

To Capt078: that was my understanding too, that it was to start with the 757-200. That is a good trans-Atlantic aircraft, I worked several of the ORD-FRA flights when we did charters out of there. CGN sounds like a great destination as does GLA. I was originally hoping for LUX but CGN could supply pax from Belgium and Netherlands as well....overall a good choice!




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User currently offlineKiwiNanday From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (10 years 3 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 7032 times:

Last Thursday I saw an ATA 757 in Boston...

Don't know if that helps, though.


User currently offlinePHX Flyer From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 551 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (10 years 3 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 6727 times:

BOS and NYC are indeed the most frequently rumored US gateways.
ATA considers both the -200 and the -300 as suitable for transatlantic flights, and the latter is frequently used for military charters:


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I am not quite sure how far into Europe they can fly from the US. Someone with more insight correct me please, if I am wrong, but I think most of ATA's MAC flights stop over at SNN. I still believe that CGN shouldn't be a problem, though.

Two weeks ago a German daily reported that ATA is also in talks with Berlin.
We should hear by October if (and what of) ATA's plans come to fruition.

On a side note: does someone here know, when the next D-check is due for one of ATA's L1011-500?


User currently offlineMatt From Canada, joined May 1999, 694 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (10 years 3 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 6651 times:

Condor (Thomas Cook) flies their 757-300 transatlantic once a week on their Hanover-Moncton-Toronto-Hanover (HAJ-YQM-YYZ-HAJ) charter flight (summer only).


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User currently offlineBroke From United States of America, joined Apr 2002, 1322 posts, RR: 3
Reply 13, posted (10 years 3 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 6586 times:

ATA has been operating 757-200's Trans-Atlantic for quite a while. If fact the first RVSM flight ever was an ATA 757-200 en route to the UK.

User currently offlineRamerinianair From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 1486 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (10 years 3 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 5952 times:

I'll agree that the best cities on the east coast to launch such service are BOS and NYC. There is one problem. ATA only has facilities at LGA not at JFK. LGA has a perimiter rule and therefore they could only have these flights go out on Saturday. Out of BOS, ATA would be able to go daily.
SR



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User currently offlinePHX Flyer From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 551 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (10 years 3 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 5871 times:

<< ATA only has facilities at LGA not at JFK.>>

Not quite correct. ATA currently serves LGA, but not JFK. However, ATA does have a pilot crew base at JFK, and all previously scheduled long-haul flights departed from JFK too. Shannon and Edinburgh come to mind, as well as countless charters.


User currently offlineORDflyer From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 511 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (10 years 3 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 5481 times:

KiwiNandy,
ATA flies 757-200s on the MDW-BOS run so that's probably the plane that you saw.


User currently offlineChicago757 From United States of America, joined May 2003, 381 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (10 years 3 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 4953 times:

As an ATA gate agent at MDW, I read an employee article stating that George Mikelsons (Chairman of ATA) plans on using Orlando as the departure point for these overseas to Europe. He stated that if we were to use New York , or Boston, on the east coast, we'd get killed by other airlines. I think MCO would be ok, but I also think that now that MDW is international, we could monopolize the nonstop Europe market out of Chicago Midway.

Best to all!
Kevin



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User currently offlineLegend11 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 107 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (10 years 3 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 4886 times:

Not sure you could go non-stop MDW to Europe due to runway configurations at MDW. At least, the runway length would have some impact on max TO weight, which would have the effect of either limiting the number of pax or more likely, how much fuel could be uploaded at MDW.

User currently offlineLN-MOW From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 1908 posts, RR: 13
Reply 19, posted (10 years 3 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 4875 times:

Kevin - a fully loaded (pax/fuel) 757 can not take off from MDW. You get payloadrestrictions even going out here (SEA) sometimes!

Orlando-Cologne is 4666 miles - the 757-200's published range is 4390 miles. And that is under favourable conditions.

A fuelstop will make the market appeal considerably less favourable, and a very hard sell.



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User currently offlineORDflyer From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 511 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (10 years 3 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 4807 times:

"A fuelstop will make the market appeal considerably less favourable, and a very hard sell"
I agree...while I'm sure ATA would love to be able to fly some European flights from MDW since they get connecting traffic, the lack of a nonstop route will put them at a huge disadvantage compared to the carriers at ORD. But, they may be able to make a one stop route work from MDW if they can offer significantly lower fares than ORD airlines, and serve a route that is not currenlty served from ORD (CGN fits this profiie). They'll probably have a tough time luring the business travellers who want the quickest route, but they may find some leisure travellers willing to endure a slightly longer trip to save some money.


User currently offlineMasseyBrown From United States of America, joined Dec 2002, 5438 posts, RR: 7
Reply 21, posted (10 years 3 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 4750 times:

I wonder if the plan to sell Midway facilities effectively shuts down any possibility of scheduled European flights.

From the Financial Times:

http://news.ft.com/cms/s/c1089cfe-f534-11d8-85e9-00000e2511c8.html



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User currently offlineReguPilot From Puerto Rico, joined Jan 2004, 493 posts, RR: 24
Reply 22, posted (10 years 3 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 4746 times:

As a visual aid... here's the range of a 757:



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