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User currently offlineERJ170 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 6771 posts, RR: 17
Posted (10 years 3 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 3504 times:

Read in the Charlotte Journal that RDU is looking at (possibly in talks with) a new carrier for west coast destinations. Anyone heard anything or ponder who it could be? This is all from an article, but would be a reasonable next step for RDU. So, who knows what?


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User currently offlineRdube90pilot From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 63 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (10 years 3 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 3437 times:

LOL, we've seen this before haven't we? I hope it happens but with RDU's track record on west coast ops lately.....?

PS. Haven't seen you on the boards lately ERJ170. What up?

Eric


User currently offlineERJ170 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 6771 posts, RR: 17
Reply 2, posted (10 years 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 3352 times:

Hey Eric...

I been around.. nothing else to do days while jobsearching.. just search for RDU and you will see.. yes, I have been here.. but no one else has been here.. anyway, I read it in the Charlotte Journal from a month or so ago.. Nothing official.. no names dropped.. no confirmations.. just stated that RDU was looking at a new carrier for west coast destinations.. could be cool if they got someone.. besides, i think LAX and SFO would definitely do well at RDU..

Now, what info do you have to share? You must know SOMETHING????



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User currently offlineRwylie77 From United Kingdom, joined May 2004, 367 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (10 years 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 3335 times:

How about American Airlines flying to somewhere like San Jose or a small ish West Coast airport and have it as a feeder for their London Gatwick flight from RDU? If they flew to LAX or SFO from RDU then they would have to compete with the direct flights to London? Or do you think there is enough domestic demand? I assume at the moment people have to change at Chicago, Dallas or Denver?

User currently offlineERJ170 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 6771 posts, RR: 17
Reply 4, posted (10 years 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 3316 times:

There is no current N/S flights to LAX.. there are direct flights through AW and I think possibly AA and UA..

There has been rumor that AA would do a RDU-LAX N/S.. but nothing has happened yet. AW isn't too interested in it either. If a new airline was to start it.. I would guess there could only be 3 choices.. Frontier, jetBlue, or Virgin America.. since Virgin America hasn't even done anything yet, i don't think they would be an option at this moment.. jetBlue should be arriving at RDU next year so we shall see, but I believe that LGB is slot restricted and may be at capacity. Fronteir emergence at RDU is unknown.. so it's hard to speculate.

As far as the LAX-RDU-LGW.. I don't think AA is looking to feed the Gatwick flight.. they probably feel it would take away from other flights they want to make profitable (since the RDU flight is automatically a profit with the subsidies).



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User currently offlineRwylie77 From United Kingdom, joined May 2004, 367 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (10 years 3 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 3278 times:

ERJ170 - who subsidises the RDU-LGW route?

User currently offlineERJ170 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 6771 posts, RR: 17
Reply 6, posted (10 years 3 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 3263 times:

Good Lord.. Glaxo is one.. Nortel, Bayer, a few pharma companies, a few other companies.. needless to say, the 777 is basically paid for wihtout a single person on it!


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User currently onlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32777 posts, RR: 72
Reply 7, posted (10 years 3 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 3271 times:

If anybody moves on RDU-LAX/SFO, its gonna be American Airlines, give it time, it will happen. American announced RDU-SJC back in October 2002, but low advanced bookings canceled the flight before it's March 2003 start.

It might be another carrier to, but it will not be jetBlue. No free slots at LGB, and the few they have they want to use on their major transcon markets to NYC, DC, Boston, and Lauderdale.



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User currently offlineERJ170 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 6771 posts, RR: 17
Reply 8, posted (10 years 3 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 3240 times:

Would jetBlue possibly do a RDU-OAK.. another untapped market.. could at least do a 1 dialy.. and a redeye..


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User currently offlineByrdluvs747 From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 2359 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (10 years 3 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 3154 times:


There has been rumor that AA would do a RDU-LAX N/S.. but nothing has happened yet. AW isn't too interested in it either.


I think HP would be interested eventually, but they have higher priorities from LAX. MIA, PHL, DFW, ORD need to come first.



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User currently onlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32777 posts, RR: 72
Reply 10, posted (10 years 3 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 3125 times:

Would jetBlue possibly do a RDU-OAK.. another untapped market.. could at least do a 1 dialy.. and a redeye..

Extremely unlikely. Other markets like FLL-OAK would come first. Plus, they will be competing head on with Southwest (even though WN does not offer a non-stop). They try to avoid Southwest in near every market. Raleigh's future in transcons is in the hands of American Airlines. There is a huge potential market, and I still can't believe RDU has no LAX non-stops (SFO non-stops will be a lot harder to come by. Many other larger cities, like Kansas City, San Antonio, and Tampa, don't have them either), but they are the ones that are going to have to tap it.

Or who knows...maybe Independence Air will decide to do transcon flying from more than just Dulles.



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User currently offlineERJ170 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 6771 posts, RR: 17
Reply 11, posted (10 years 3 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 3055 times:

That brings up a good question.. I still don't have an answer too.. anybody from IDE.. WHAT arethey going to do with the 2 unused gates at RDU? Could B6 be using one?


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User currently offlineERJ170 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 6771 posts, RR: 17
Reply 12, posted (10 years 2 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 2778 times:

From the RDU latest newsletter, RDU Authority is still looking for international service to Paris, Munich and/or Frankfurt.. wonder who they are still trying to entice?

http://www.rdu.com/News/pdf/UpdateMayJun04.pdf
-----> see last paragraph, page 4.

Also of interest.. city-pairs still lacking from RDU's top 20 list...

LAX & MCI.. looks like good routes for Frontier!!!!



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User currently offlineFlyibaby From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 1017 posts, RR: 6
Reply 13, posted (10 years 2 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 2720 times:

ERJ...What two gates are being unused?

User currently offlineERJ170 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 6771 posts, RR: 17
Reply 14, posted (10 years 2 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 2705 times:

Gates A10 & A12... but someone said IDE uses A10 as a backup for A11 and as a RON.. A12 is unused but an IDE gate also... also heard earlier that IDE may add another destination.. but this was a while ago I heard it.. unverifiable..


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User currently offlineWestIndian425 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 1024 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (10 years 2 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 2695 times:

There could be the possibility of a B6 LGB-RDU, I think.

Neil



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User currently offlineERJ170 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 6771 posts, RR: 17
Reply 16, posted (10 years 2 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 2680 times:

Can B6 do any more LGB flights? I thought they were pretty much slot-filled...


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User currently onlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32777 posts, RR: 72
Reply 17, posted (10 years 2 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 2666 times:

There could be the possibility of a B6 LGB-RDU, I think.


No, there isn't. jetBlue has no more slots left at LGB. In addition, Raleigh is not large enough a market to run these flights. Washington, NYC, Boston, and Miami/Lauderdale are huge transcon markets to LA...they can support the alternate airport. Raleigh cannot. RDU will get west coast service in the future, I say within two years, with non-stops to LAX. It's a given.



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User currently offlineERJ170 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 6771 posts, RR: 17
Reply 18, posted (10 years 2 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 2630 times:

Is there going to be an additional destination added this year on American Eagle, USAirways, and Independence? These are the most likely, with the longtime rumor of another new AE destination before year end.. but to where???


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User currently onlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32777 posts, RR: 72
Reply 19, posted (10 years 2 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 2617 times:

These are the most likely, with the longtime rumor of another new AE destination before year end.. but to where???

If they add a destination, New Orleans would be my guess. AA's winter schedule is supposed to be announced 10 September, maybe earlier.



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User currently offlineERJ170 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 6771 posts, RR: 17
Reply 20, posted (10 years 2 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 2587 times:

Now THAT would be good news.. New Orleans did really well when Midway #2 was around.. I believe it was a Fokker100 on the route, 2 or 3 times a day.. that would be excellent.. too bad it's not already available this weekend..


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User currently offlineLgbguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (10 years 2 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 2555 times:

I could see WN drop 1 PHX-RDU R/T AND 1 PHX-LAX R/T and run the A/c RDU-LAX n/s....There is talk that they are doing a lot of chances to there flights in JAN 05...I think this would do great for WN...notmike lgbguy

User currently offlineERJ170 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 6771 posts, RR: 17
Reply 22, posted (10 years 2 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 2546 times:

no offense, but if I am going to fly transcon.. I want a meal of some sort.. and not some dang nuts.. that would be a 8 hour flight!


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User currently offlineTravelin man From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 3503 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (10 years 2 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 2503 times:

An 8 hour flight? Not sure where you're flying to, ERJ170, but LAX-RDU is more like a 4 1/2 hour flight. And if I recall correctly, WN gives a little lunch box thing on longer flights, with a granola bar, sausage, & cheese & crackers....

User currently offlineERJ170 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 6771 posts, RR: 17
Reply 24, posted (10 years 2 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 2475 times:

I was including the time changes.. LAX-RDU.. 4.75 hours + 3 hour time change..

I didn't know WN did box lunches.. I thought they were just the peanut people.. but where is the sandwich?



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25 Flyibaby : ERJ, Gate A12 belongs to the airport and the jetway is owned by AirCanada. Unless someone plans on starting RJ service and builds a podium at the gate
26 ERJ170 : Ah yes.. I remember that fact about gate A12 now.. will IDE be using A10 on am ore permanent basis? I don't see WN doing RDU-West coast either.. The o
27 Ramerinianair : Ummmmmmmmmmm, WHAT??? The RDU to LGW route makes a lot of money for AA because it has a large business base. NOT BECAUSE OF SUBSIDIES. The flight is a
28 ACAfan : I think that when people mention the RDU-LGW subsidy, they are referring to the use of F-J tickets by business passengers. I doubt the companies are p
29 ERJ170 : RDU will not get access to LHR. Very few cities have access to LHR. That being said, it is true that the RDU flights are subsidized by several compani
30 N1120a : I have been on WN with the snack pack, and there is no sausage or cheese. It is just things like oreos, lora dunes, wheat thins and teddy grahams. You
31 JetMARC : Just because slots at LGB are all used up, it doesnt mean jetBlue wouldnt pull a flight for a new destination. Trans-cons make far more $$$ than a sho
32 JetMARC : PS - jetBlue used to fly 9 daily r/t LGB-OAK just to use slots so AA couldn't get 'em... how many LGB-OAK flights did we plan to actually have origina
33 MAH4546 : RDU will not get access to LHR. Very few cities have access to LHR. There is only one way RDU can get LHR access. If AA were to drop RDU-LGW, BA would
34 MAH4546 : Dropping one LGB-OAK flight from 5 daily r/t to 4 to offer a nonstop LGB-RDU could work and would be cool... It would work if there was a market for R
35 JetMARC : If theres a market for RDU-LGW, Im sure there's a market for RDU-LGB/Los Angeles, especially with low fares. Los Angeles is the 2nd largest US city...
36 JetMARC : Also - its called market stimulation. Offer low fares + quality service and they'll come. Im sure flights would be full if AA launched LAX-RDU without
37 MAH4546 : Im sure there's a market for RDU-LGB/Los Angeles, especially with low fares. Los Angeles is the 2nd largest US city... There is a market for RDU-LAX.
38 Ramerinianair : ACAFan, Thanks for the explanation! I really think that calling it a subsidy is a crappy choice of words. If companies guarantee AA a certain amount o
39 MAH4546 : subsidy is when the government or a private entity gives a company money outright. This case is money being traded for seats. They aren't buying empty
40 LambertMan : Exactly, that is I believe similar to how it works on STL-JAX. My friend goes to DCA in Jacksonville and says the cabin is mainly empty except for the
41 Womack17 : I have often thought that the RDU-LAX routing was long overdue, but there is something to consider. Midway tried the routing RDU-LAX-LAS-RDU and it di
42 B6FA4ever : i really do think that AA would be the first airline to start a RDU-Los Angeles run. doing a n/s to LA can offer passenger connection opportunities to
43 ERJ170 : IMHO, I believe that there are only a few markets in which RDU actually NEEDS service.. they are LAX, MCI, and MSY. I believe there are a few markets
44 MAH4546 : Therefore, I see 2 good answers to these... F9 (DEN, MCI) and B6 (TPA, BOS, FLL).. The only good answer there is Frontier to Denver. jetBlue to Raleig
45 MAH4546 : Lastly, the LGW flight is subsidized, but also does well in its own right.. if it only carries the subsidized seat recipients, then yes.. it is a comp
46 Rdu777 : Hey guys, Been a long time for me. With AA announcements on additional service for winter quickly approaching, what do you think could be coming up fo
47 ERJ170 : Hmm... I am more anxious to see what the DL announcement will be on Wednesday. That should be a bit more interesting.. I wonder if DL will adjust it's
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