Andersjt From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 390 posts, RR: 1 Reply 3, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 9885 times:
While I was in SLC on Sunday waiting for my Delta flight, I overheard a lot of the agents talking about "something" happening there in November. You definitely notice the cutbacks there. A LOT of RJ traffic, both Skywest and Comair. The Salt Lake City news is also reporting that the city is nervous about Delta pulling their hub out.
Oh how I long for the day when the skies were truly Friendly!
Drerx7 From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 4961 posts, RR: 8 Reply 4, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 9853 times:
Delta will pull out of DFW before SLC. One thing that I have noticed as a traveller is that alot of routings voluntarily pull up flights via ATL even if it is out of the way--example IAH-ATL-HNL or points westward. With the Skyteam Alliance and Continental and Northwest members it would probably be more fruitful to focus on connection oportunities at IAH vs. DFW. IAH has more Skyteam carriers and international traffic than DFW.
VS346 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 339 posts, RR: 1 Reply 8, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 9258 times:
PlaneGuy27: which is why as a DL FF passenger, I'm happy CO and NW are getting involved, as I will be traveling through IAH or MEM when going west. Which both make much more sense than ATL! DL is losing at least that part of my business.
What a shame.
Virgin-Atlantic: More experience than our name suggests
TLHFLA From United States of America, joined May 2003, 585 posts, RR: 1 Reply 10, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 8791 times:
I wonder if Delta scales back DFW if they will add service from SLC to places like TPA and FLL. Even just one flight per day on a 738 would provide a more direct alternative to the west coast instead of having to come through ATL or CVG.
Jetpixx From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 813 posts, RR: 1 Reply 11, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 8685 times:
I am a big fan of DL - I did not enjoy my connection in DFW. They will be scaling back that hub, possibly severely. It might even be scaled back so far that it only resembles a 'focus city'. SLC is going nowhere, as that is the only major hub west of the Mississippi and gateway to states such as Idaho, Montana, Utah, etc. which depend heavily on DL's service. I'd love to see SLC-FLL flights instituted, as usually when I fly to Montana or even Seattle sometimes, it requires a flight through ATL and SLC. SLC has flights to MCO, but nowhere else in FL. In any event, the DFW hub would/will not be missed if that is the major announcement. But do not hope for it to expand - with their current financial state, that simply is not in the cards. I would expect a lot of new services in and out of MCO and ATL with the RJs left over from ASA and a loss of a lot of cities in TX as a result. Maybe some can stay on with N/S to ATL, but it is doubtful for places like AMA, CRP and LBB. Look for those travellers to be back with CO through IAH.
Syncmaster From United States of America, joined Jul 2002, 1998 posts, RR: 13 Reply 12, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 8308 times:
First of all I wouldn't plan on major cutbacks in ATL or CVG, CVG seems to be holding up fairly strong, I flew through there last Sunday and all of my flights (ACA and Mainline 738) where booked solid. I think CVG in terms of a hub could have some potential for DL in the long run. ATL is not going anywhere for the obvious reasons.
DFW I could see getting scaled down with help on that coming from CO and IAH, I do feel it wouldn't be good for DFW as an airport because AA might as well get the whole airport then.
I see maybe some additions to SLC as DL really does need that West Coast hub and honestly where else could they really go? SLC is close enough the the center of the country as well as the West Coast that it could be of huge benefit to DL. In my eyes anyways DL doesn't seem to have as strong a West Coast presence as AA or UA. Although not as bad as US' presence (now even better with the UA codeshare) it could definitely use some work.
UA2162 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 487 posts, RR: 3 Reply 15, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 7936 times:
Cut back DFW? Bad idea! Sure, let's run everything through ATL! One thunder storm can cripple your whole network! In my opinion, they should scale back ATL and run more flights through DFW. More options equals more PAX!
AA737-823 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 5541 posts, RR: 11 Reply 16, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 7642 times:
...Except that Delta has been losing money at DFW for nigh unto a decade now. At least, that's the word from the armchari CEO's here at a.net.
I wish I could see them rebuild their fortress here. That used to be the big thing- my dad worked for AA, but most of my friends flew Delta. Now, living in Dallas, the automatic assumption is that you're a triple plutonium AAdvangate member.
Deltaffindfw From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 1402 posts, RR: 1 Reply 17, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 7574 times:
"Except that Delta has been losing money at DFW for nigh unto a decade now. At least, that's the word from the armchari CEO's here at a.net. "
That wasn't true in the recent past. I can't find the report on the website anymore, but in 2002 or 2003, there was a Delta Connection report which clearly stated that DFW became more viable thanks to the downgrade from mainline to RJs.
That may not be true now... I'll try to find the report and link it.
Bartond From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 788 posts, RR: 3 Reply 18, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 7460 times:
If they've been profitable with the scale down at DFW, then why are they running 3 767s and atleast 1-2 757s to DFW now? Just curious as only about 2 months ago the lone sizeable plane was a 763 to ATL.
Basically - what the HELL is Delta doing/going to do at DFW?
Drerx7 From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 4961 posts, RR: 8 Reply 24, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 6571 times:
Well from my armchair CEO position--it looks as though Delta would probably benefit more from strengthening the SLC and CVG hubs and keep DFW a focus city; lost DFW service will be routed via Skyteam at IAH. I've also heard that they are scaling back SLC--what the hell is Delta doing? It looks like a debacle shaping up in Atlanta.
Third Coast born, means I'm Texas raised
25 Ord: How about a trip down Memory Lane? Here's an old press release Delta issued in September, 1989. The 239 flights mentioned are all Delta mainline. DIST
26 PlaneGuy27: Great post ORD If DL closes DFW and relies on IAH and MEM for SkyTeam connections in that region you have to think that between DTW, CLE and CVG -- Cl
27 Deltaffindfw: If DL closes DFW and CO closes CLE then I'm pretty sure the government will have to step in and rethink the approval of the three way alliance. Sound
28 Jrlander: Of course if DL and CO both close hubs, then the government might be more willing to allow the alliance to get closer. Opening up so much space at DFW
29 Drerx7: COs CLE ops are not affected by DL at DFW--CO is not the one in financial problems with a hub--at least to the point of scaledowns. CO and DL are stil
30 Flairport: so, now that we appear to be in a general agreement, its time for us armchair CEOs to step in and discuss which cities will stay and which will go. I
31 Deltaffindfw: Drerx7 - the statement was made about COs CLE ops being possibly closed. If that happened and DL got rid of DFW, then it is anti-competitive. CO will
32 Jae172: What about one of the LCC to come in to DFW to compete more with southwest? Even though southwest flies out of Dallas love one of the LCC carriers cou
33 N839mh: As for DFW, look for the hub to be reclassified as a "bridge city". Here is what it might look like.... DFW-JFK,BOS,CVG,ATL,MCO(SONG),LAS(SONG),LAX,SF
34 Squirrel83: THANK YOU ORD for the news update I was getting a little scared there for AA's sake . .
35 B4real: I almost think scaling down DFW would be the most opportune time to sell ASA. Keep DFW as a focus-city, having one major departure window bank to BOS,
36 ERJ170: So does everyone think that the ASA RDU-DFW 3x daily willl be dropped? Perhaps it will be shifted to SLC if dropped? What's the popular opinion?
37 B4real: ERJ170: If they chop up DFW as much as rumored here, I would not count on DFW-RDU being anything more that CR7 1x daily. I would not hold my breath on
38 ERJ170: perhaps the 11 daily to ATL will be upgraded to 767's... With the drop of the 3 CRJ200, those pax have to go through somewhere...
39 B4real: The dailies to ATL (I'm assuming RDU-ATL) would maybe get a slight bump. I think it takes a lot to convince DL to run a 767 on a 356 mile route. I bel
40 B4real: SPECULATION SPECULATION SPECULATION..... The more I think of it, I bet this is part of the rumored sale of ASA and Comair. There are many venues (espe
41 ERJ170: Hmm.. okay.. sounds good to me! Whatever happens, I just hope that all the airlines make it out okay.. and each find their own niche! I think it is co
42 B4real: ERJ170: Is that the case on the song a/c substitutions? I've seen a song a/c @ a DL flight gate in ATL going to LGA or some other non-song route. Simi
43 ERJ170: yeah.. it's just an a/c sub.. not a real Song flight.. recently, it has happened about once or twice a week.. but only for the last 3 weeks or so.. I"
44 B4real: That would be a cool substitution. In my market, I'm just waiting for a 738 subsitution from the 732. I don't know what I'd do with a song 757! I wond
45 ERJ170: it is pretty cool.. just wish we could see them in permanently to a cool destination.. they could pick up the old RDU-SJC that AA dropped.. RDU-SJC 1x
46 RogerThat: I like N839mh Song idea, but I would take it one step further: Turn DFW into an all Song and RJ mini-hub. Connect up with 4 to 5 flights a day the big
47 MAH4546: they could pick up the old RDU-SJC that AA dropped.. AA never dropped it. Advanced bookings were so bad they never started it.
48 ERJ170: Hehehee... Oops.. I meant SJU.. not SJC.. my bad...
49 MAH4546: Hehehee... Oops.. I meant SJU.. not SJC.. my bad... Delta wouldn't fill even half a plane flying RDU-SJU. American could do well on the route if it of
50 ERJ170: So SJU and CUN are probable good weekend routes.. LAX and SFO are probable good 1 daily flights... But there have to be other good contenders for thos
51 LambertMan: Back to DFW, I would have to think that they would do something as N839mh suggested. Take advantage of the FF base in the metro area and offer flights
52 Flyibaby: ERJ170: I too would love to see SFO and or CUN nonstop from RDU. But as seen in the past with both AA and Midway, there just isn't the local demand wi
53 ERJ170: SFO would only be good for a once daily trip.. otherwise, you are correct, the pax load just isn't there... CUN would be good weekend only.. I REALLY
54 Flyibaby: ERJ170...I still don't see the demand into SFO until the business market picks up there. I agree the loads are there for LAX, but still, what airline
55 ERJ170: Flyibaby... SFO, point taken. LAX, I guess.. CUN does have weekend service as well and SJU with the casino junkets that Charter Express offers. Huh? N
56 Flyibaby: No..they offer a range or did as of a month or so ago. One of the charter airlines they handled went Chapter 11 so maybe not just right now!?
57 TWAL1011: DL @ DFW/SLC is going the way of AA @ STL. Even more drastic. The focus moving forward is on longer-haul flying.
58 N839MH: Well.....The day is near for all in DFW to find out what it's future holds for Delta Air Lines.....Wednesday Sept. 8th, 2004. Rumors.....F/A & Pilot B
59 Dalmd88: Just to add to the rumors, DFW hangar leases to be ended. All work will be sent to ATL. I personally don't think we have the space in ATL to absorb al
60 B4real: Dalmd88: The MX hangar in CVG is very underutilized. This may be part of the shift of such work.
61 NWA Man: So, I'd say that (these cities will stay) for sure: FLL, LAX, CVG, LGA, JFK, ATL, MCO, maybe ABQ and STL, with RJ service to IAH, MEM, MSP, ORD, OKC,
62 Smcmac32msn: Who knows, maybe they are going to roll out the same fare structure as they did at CVG. Delta's going to be hurting if they do the same fare structure