Airfrnt From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 2830 posts, RR: 42 Posted (10 years 4 months 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 7867 times:
Denver International Airport is making its most aggressive pitch in several years to try to persuade United Airlines to launch trans-Atlantic or trans-Pacific flights from DIA.
Airport officials hope to capitalize on several recent developments, including an increase in United's passenger demand on international flights, the carrier's desire to add overseas routes and flight-capacity problems at United's Chicago hub.
DEN is certainly in a position to benefit if UA cuts ORD international traffic, esp given that several of the 777s out of ORD actually start in DEN. However, I still imagine that most of the traffic getting cut is RJs and low yield flights, not international travels. Still I think it is highly likely that a non stop will start to NRT soon (because of ANA's presence). LH does quite well on there Franfurt-DEN run but I doubt that they will be willing to start a Munich flight as well (although maybe UA will).
BA already has strong bookings to LHR, but I doubt that UA will be willing to fly into LGW out of DEN even if it has the nice side effect of kicking BA to LGW.
Airfrnt From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 2830 posts, RR: 42
Reply 8, posted (10 years 4 months 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 7442 times:
VSLover -> Yes. One of the rules in Bermuda II is that any of the British Flag carriers can fly to/from a particular city on the list if it is unchallanged by any other carrier. So if UA were to start denver to london service, both carriers would have to fly out of LGW instead of LHR.
747firstclass From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (10 years 4 months 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 7371 times:
Is there even an opening under Bermuda II where it would be possible for UA to start DEN-LGW service? If US was so inclined. It would be interesting to see what BAs reraction would be if UA did start or even talk about that service.
UnitedTristar From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (10 years 4 months 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 7314 times:
Under Bermuda II you cannot service two different London airports from the same city. So if UA was to start DEN LON service it would have to be to LHR. I would expect to see DEN NRT service before you would see anything to Europe. From what I can tell from UA's new service announcements Asia is doing better for them. But I am sure UA is waiting for subsidy's like BA and LH got before starting service. They already have some subsidized routed from DEN such as the 757 from EGE.
Flaps From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 1300 posts, RR: 4
Reply 13, posted (10 years 4 months 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 7312 times:
DEN could potentially get the authority by way of the soon to be dormant PIT-LGW route. That is exactly how TWA got the designation for STL. They had authority from PIT and when TW dismantled the PIT hub they transferred their authority from PIT to STL. Its not quite so simple here as US is the designated carrier from PIT but it could be sold if US doesnt plan to transfer it within their system.
I could be wrong in this case though. That is how things worked in the early eighties and also when TW's PHL and BWI authorities were sold. PIT was granted the designation as an exception/bone as the US and UK were attempting to revise the treaty to eventually encompass open skies. What the exact terms of that exemption are/were I cannot recall.
Cedarjet From United Kingdom, joined May 1999, 8198 posts, RR: 54
Reply 14, posted (10 years 4 months 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 7282 times:
Gigneil, you seem to have merely repeated yourself rather than clarified. I for one am still none the wiser.
I think UA would do well at Denver, for connections throughout the west. It would mean less onward-bound connecting pax on their San Fran / LA flights, which would leave more room on those services for more lucrative O&D pax.
As a fan of Stephen King and especially The Stand, I've always wanted to visit Colorado (especially for Boulder). I've heard that Denver is one of the nicest cities in the US as well, but in my dozens of trips across the pond, I've never been there.
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UA2162 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 499 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (10 years 4 months 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 7058 times:
As stated above by many, DEN-NRT will be their best bet. There are already too many flights into LHR from west coast cities. UA's strength lies within the Pacific - they should keep it that way. I really don't know if there would be enough traffic to fill a daily into LHR. Just a thought.
Carpethead From Japan, joined Aug 2004, 2979 posts, RR: 3
Reply 19, posted (10 years 4 months 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 6999 times:
DIA has a 16,000 ft runway, but can a UA 777 make it to NRT without payload restrictions.
The FRA & London flights are east-bound and have the luxury of tail-winds, but not the NRT-bound flight, which is longer too.
ORDflyer From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 511 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (10 years 4 months 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 6965 times:
"I still imagine that most of the traffic getting cut is RJs and low yield flights, not international travels"
That looks to be the case...I wouldn't hold my breath if I were DEN hoping to get cut int'l flights from ORD. United has already said that the actual number of flights cut is only going to be maybe 4 or 6, and you can bet those will be low yield as Airfrnt mentioned.
Ssides From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 4059 posts, RR: 21
Reply 23, posted (10 years 4 months 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 6964 times:
DEN's problem for Pacific flights is that it's too close to the West Coast. SFO and LAX already generate tons of Pacific traffic; DEN is a relatively small market compared to these when it comes to international travel. UA will just feed passengers to these airports rather than send them through DEN.