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Jet Airways And Air Deccan Near Miss  
User currently offlineBOEING787 From India, joined May 2004, 158 posts, RR: 0
Posted (10 years 1 month 1 hour ago) and read 4387 times:

A Jet Airways 737-400 and and an ATR 42 of Deccan Airways had a near-miss incident close to Mumbai last week. It was reported in the MID-DAY newspaper of today:

(Courtsey MID-DAY, Mumbai 25th August 2004)

http://ww1.mid-day.com/news/city/2004/august/90752.htm

Air Deccan, Jet in mid-air near-miss
By: Kashif Khusro
August 25, 2004
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The Directorate General of Civil Aviation (DGCA) has instituted an inquiry into the near collision (or ‘near-miss’ in airline parlance) of two aircraft belonging to private airlines at Mumbai’s domestic airport last week. It has also grounded the pilots involved.

According to a source in the Air Traffic Control (ATC), the Jet Airways flight 9W 906 from Kochi, carrying 120 passengers, was scheduled to land at the domestic airport at 10 am and was 20 nautical miles from the airport.

An Air Deccan flight 303 from Mumbai to Belgaum carrying 48 passengers took off from the airport at 9.30 am and 15 minutes later rose to the same altitude as the landing Jet Airways plane.

If not diverted, they would have surely collided with each other. It was only because of the alert ATC that a major catastrophe was averted, the source added.

Confirming the incident, Pravin Ohri, GM, Aerodromes, said, “The ATC has conducted a preliminary inquiry and submitted a report to the DGCA.”

An Air Deccan spokesperson from Bangalore said there was some communication gap between the foreign pilot of the aircraft and the ATC.

“We have a fleet of ATR-42s, which not many Indian pilots are accustomed to, so we have foreign pilots manning these aircraft. We have heard that Jet Airways has complained to the ATC about the incident,” she said.

She denied any knowledge of the Air Deccan pilot being grounded.

Ironically, this breach of safety comes on the eve of Air Deccan’s mega launch of services on the Mumbai-Delhi and Bangalore-Delhi routes.

The ATC source, however, did not rule out the possibility of a lapse on the part of the Jet Airways pilot. “Only after investigation will the whole truth come out,” he said.

Meanwhile, Jet Airways spokesperson, A K Sivanandan, denied any knowledge of the incident. He also said he did not have any idea of the complaint they lodged against Air Deccan.





[Edited 2004-08-25 09:43:35]

[Edited 2004-08-25 09:47:34]

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User currently offlineBOEING787 From India, joined May 2004, 158 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (10 years 1 month 1 hour ago) and read 4359 times:

The flight COK to BOM was 9W406 and not 306 as reported by the journalist.

User currently offlineTKMCE From India, joined May 2002, 841 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (10 years 4 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 4303 times:

I am not a qualfied ATC, but from the little i know of this subject , this doesnt look so straightforward as the reporter makes out to be.

At 20 miles, 9W 406 should have been on the final stages of descent.It would defintely have been under Radar supervision as would have been Air Deccan My question is under such circumstances wont the two aircraft be given two different radar vectors by ATC? So even if Air Deccan (as claimed) got into the same altittude as Jet, is this serious enough? Or is it another bit of sensationalism encouraged by Deccan's competitors as happend with the "fire" incident during their inaugral flight at HYD.


Just wondering!








User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31684 posts, RR: 56
Reply 3, posted (10 years 4 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 4261 times:

Aviation correspondent reporting Laugh out loud
I'll wait for the official news.
regds
HAWK



Think of the brighter side!
User currently offlineNyc777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5763 posts, RR: 47
Reply 4, posted (10 years 4 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 4206 times:

Sounds so similiar to the collision between the IL-76 and the Saudia 747 near Delhi some years back. I wonder of Indian departure/arrival routes needs an overhaul to stop departing and arriving aircraft from running into each other!!!


That which does not kill me makes me stronger.
User currently offlineIndianFlyboy From India, joined Sep 2003, 294 posts, RR: 6
Reply 5, posted (10 years 4 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 4134 times:

NYC777,

The collision between the IL 76 and the Saudia 747 happened because the Il 76 captain decided to go down to 140 when he was specifically asked to maintain 150. Not much ATC can do there , specially when the 2 aircrafts are flying towards each other at a combined speed of over 500 Knots.

As far as this news go , I cannot figure out as to how the 2 aircrafts would have collided specially when one is landing and the other is taking off even if they were on the same altitude ???????? At the bare minimum the seperation would have been one runway length about 3.4 Kms (9/27). I dont think any of the aircrafts taking off would ever manage to get on to the approach or the landing path even if they need to take off and do a 180 turn .

Crazy reporting , prolly the best would be to wait for the official result....

REgards


User currently offlineIndianguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (10 years 4 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 4045 times:

Aaah! Another of Mid-Days over-the top reporting! Remember, these are the same media outlets with stories like "Bandra boy travels 10000 miles to cast his vote!" and "Sisters catch each other in compromising positions" and others like that! Seriously, we should learn to give any "news" given out by any of these orgs the miss!

Media organisations like Mid-Day, Sandhyanand, Aaj Tak are the ones who can put a spin on almost anything!



User currently offlineTKMCE From India, joined May 2002, 841 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (10 years 4 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 4017 times:

Speaking of official reports, do you know whether the one on the "fire" on the Air Deccan inaugral flight out of HYD has been released? I assume it would make interesting reading and am curious to know the truth after the enormous amount of media coverage it received! I dont think near misses and minor incidents do not make it to the DGCA aircraft accident summaries put on their website (unlike the NTSB or the AAIB), so we will be lucky if this latest one will ever come out. Unless of course there is some error from Air Deccan side (I am not pre judging anything) in which case quite a few members of partliament will be up on their feet in no time with questions!

There have been quite a few serious incidents in the past for the others also (Jet at IXE and GOI) and Sahara's hull loss at DEL may years ago (but thankfully not on a scheduled pax flight) not to speak of IA's A300 which ran out of fuel and landed up somewhere near Tirupati (as far as I know , that aircraft never took off again!).







User currently offlineIndianguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (10 years 4 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 3997 times:

Yup the A300 that crashlanded near Tirupati was scrapped. I agree with Rajeev here that the law should make it mandatory for all incidents, even the minor ones, to be clearly listed out on the DGCA website.

Rajeev: Since accident investigation is your speciality, do you have a database of such incidents compiled? We could put it up on my website.

-Roy


User currently offlineTKMCE From India, joined May 2002, 841 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (10 years 4 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 3975 times:

Hello Roy
I dont have anything to do with accident investigation. I am just a curious person (like u) on things happenig in the aviation scene on these parts of the world, that is all.



User currently offlineTs-ior From Tunisia, joined Oct 2001, 3488 posts, RR: 6
Reply 10, posted (10 years 4 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 3949 times:


I wonder why such a piece of news had been mentioned in a newspaper !!! Will this solve any ATC problem in India or defend any side ?!!! As long as there is no fatalities,it's better not to make a propaganda on it and let travellers fly peacefully...


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