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Kaliningrad To Be Developed As Hub  
User currently offlineBuyantUkhaa From Mongolia, joined May 2004, 2907 posts, RR: 3
Posted (10 years 2 months 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 4047 times:

Interesting plan to develop the Kaliningrad area, a Russian enclave now surrounded by EU borders. Its location might hav egreat potential when properly exploited, and it seems the iniative is there (a car factory was opened earlier). I hope they'll be able to go ahead with this plan and make it the "Hong Kong of Russia"! But they have a long way to go still.

Plans are under way to develop Kaliningrad's airport as an international hub. Formerly called Koningberg, the city is now separated from Russia by the pre-Baltic States that are now a part of the European Union.

What gives this airport a prospect of achieving its target is an agreement with one of Russia's oil majors--not Yukos--to offer fuel at prices some 25-30% below normal market levels. The Russian government, the Kaliningrad regional government and the airport certification division of CIS aviation authority MAK-The Interstate Aviation Committee, are all involved in the planning work, and a first step now underway includes a detailed business plan. A tax-free industrial estate is also being considered adjacent to the airport.
The first element calls for the development of a cargo hub, allowing freight from Southeast Asia to arrive in the city in Ilyushin Il-76 freighters that are barred from Western Europe by noise regulations, and to be transhipped by air or surface for the relatively short distances involved.

Once the runways, taxiways and terminals meet international standards and are so certificated, a passenger hub will be offered with the same fuel advantage.

The business plan is expected to be completed by Oct., when the airport will seek business and financial partners for the development.


http://www.a2a.aero/indexfull.cfm?newsid=4296


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User currently offlineTraveler_7 From Estonia, joined May 2000, 540 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (10 years 2 months 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 3896 times:

25-30% discount on fuel could attract some airlines, especially those dealing with Cargo. But would it reduce ticket price enough to attract passengers? I don't think that it would be easy to develop a hub. Idea sounds a bit unrealistic, but who knows.

"pre-Baltic States" quite an interesting expression  Wink/being sarcastic


User currently offlineBuyantUkhaa From Mongolia, joined May 2004, 2907 posts, RR: 3
Reply 2, posted (10 years 2 months 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 3855 times:

They could be a Easyjet/Ryanair hub, the airport is empty, fuel and labour being cheap, perhaps? Or perhaps I (and they) are only daydreaming...

"pre-Baltic States" is indeed hilarious  Laugh out loud



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User currently offlineTraveler_7 From Estonia, joined May 2000, 540 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (10 years 2 months 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 3783 times:

It could be attractive idea but hard to realize. Continuous investments should be made during quite a long period of time. I think that this is the main obstacle.

In order to attract Easyjet/Ryanair or/and any other LCC it should be completely visa free area for everyone.

in this case what Baltic states are, according to the authors of the article  Smile/happy/getting dizzy


User currently offlineMEA-707 From Netherlands, joined Nov 1999, 4342 posts, RR: 35
Reply 4, posted (10 years 2 months 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 3769 times:

Yes, Russia being so fuzzy about visa will make it not work. Europeans and others have to request it weeks in advance, show invitations or hotel bookings and pay a lot, that turned many people off from even trying to visit Russia. Maybe visa free is too much but just an affordable visa you can buy at arrival will make it work.


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User currently offlineBuyantUkhaa From Mongolia, joined May 2004, 2907 posts, RR: 3
Reply 5, posted (10 years 2 months 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 3754 times:

Yes, I hadn't thought of that - in spite of all hassle I've had myself each time I needed to get one. Well, Hong Kong and Macau are still on old visa regime so that foreigners can come and go, as well as the locals, but once they cross the border into mainland China, they need visas. That might be the solution here, but given the Russian bureaucracy that's just a magic dream for now. Well, I guess they will have to stick to the amber business for now then...


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User currently offlineKl911 From Czech Republic, joined Jul 2003, 5219 posts, RR: 15
Reply 6, posted (10 years 2 months 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 3733 times:

'''allowing freight from Southeast Asia to arrive in the city in Ilyushin Il-76 freighters that are barred from Western Europe by noise regulations'''


The airport is not so far from the EU borders, would the EU let them fly in (low) on approach over EU territory even if it still doesn't meet EU noise standards?

More info:

http://www.calguard.ca.gov/ia/konigsberg/Kaliningrad%20getting%20there.htm

Khrabrovo International Airport is located 24km north of Kaliningrad, east off the Zelenogradsk highway. The airport, part of which is still military, is a bare landing strip with few frills for passengers. SAS and Aeroflot are the only commercial carriers. The international terminal is 3km from the domestic terminal.

Drivers have little respect for the road and police stop motorists often. Major city streets and the roads linking Kaliningrad city with the coast are OK, but less travelled roads can have huge potholes and be unpaved.


Yep, sounds like a perfect infrastructure..  Laugh out loud

KL911


User currently offlineTraveler_7 From Estonia, joined May 2000, 540 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (10 years 2 months 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 3708 times:

BuyantUkhaa, I do not want to destroy your dreams. This is nice idea. So who knows perhaps one day you will travel with transfer in Kaliningrad. You know some times even more fantastic ideas become a reality.

MEA-707 I remember a few years ago Russia was thinking about something like you propose, but did not implement it


User currently offlineTraveler_7 From Estonia, joined May 2000, 540 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (10 years 2 months 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 3692 times:

KL911 Since Airport is located north of Kaliningrad they could approach it over the see
http://www.lib.utexas.edu/maps/europe/poland_pol00.jpg


User currently offlineBuyantUkhaa From Mongolia, joined May 2004, 2907 posts, RR: 3
Reply 9, posted (10 years 2 months 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 3643 times:

It's the ultimate no-frills airport!


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But seriously, if they don't do something about the isolation of Kaliningrad, the future will look bleak for the poor sods...



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User currently offlineMyszek From Poland, joined Aug 2004, 20 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (10 years 2 months 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 3599 times:

KL911 - LO is yet another commercial carrier having regular flights to Kaliningrad. Also - are you sure LH does not fly there?

User currently offlineAfay1 From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 1293 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (10 years 2 months 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 3578 times:

LH calls it Koenigberg, they also fly to Danzig and Breslau...

User currently offlineTraveler_7 From Estonia, joined May 2000, 540 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (10 years 2 months 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 3540 times:

I remember once LOT landed on a wrong (military used) runway.
Russian authorities were holding aircraft for some time before returning it. If to develop a hub, one should do some think to avoid such confusions in the future.


User currently offlineMyszek From Poland, joined Aug 2004, 20 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (10 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 3393 times:

I just checked LH timeable. They don't fly to Kaliningrad (they don't fly to Koenigsberg either  Smile/happy/getting dizzy).

User currently offlineAdriaticflight From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2004, 518 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (10 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 3334 times:

This makes me laugh. I don't any pasangers would want to use Kaliningrad as a transit point. Look at places like Spingapore or Dubai, they have state of the art airports and great facilities. Kaliningrad is a deeply isolated and economicly backward area. It offers almost nothing of interest for tourists. If Ryanair or easyjet want a hub in the area they should choose KAUNUS or VILNIUS, yet to be touch by low cost airlines and bother very nice.

But I wish good luck to Kaliningrad, the place has suffered (first Nazis/Soviets and now capitalism hasn't been kind to the place). The European Union should help the area as if its already in the EU, its surrounded by it after all.


User currently offlineJGPH1A From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (10 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 3318 times:

I'd agree about the visa problem - until Russia sorts out their frankly antiquated visa regime - a letter of invite, indeed ! For heaven sake ! - this type of hub venture is a non-starter. It is also not doing inbound tourism in general any favours - I mean, who are they trying to keep out ? The hordes of EU citizens desperate to move to Russia for the excellent economic opportunities ?  Insane

User currently offlineBestWestern From Hong Kong, joined Sep 2000, 7216 posts, RR: 57
Reply 16, posted (10 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 3311 times:

Perhaps there are some business opportunities for southern Italians with a penchant for black suits.


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User currently offlineZvezda From Lithuania, joined Aug 2004, 10511 posts, RR: 64
Reply 17, posted (10 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 3327 times:

I live in Vilnius. It has transfer facilities, but I'm told that no one has ever used them -- ever. I think Kaliningrad has more potential as a hub than Vilnius. Kaunas makes no sense at all. It is probably the most xenophobic city in Europe and doesn't have a commercial airport. Foreigners (not to mention the 20% of Lithuanian citizens who don't speak Lithuanian) are absolutely unwelcome in Kaunas.

"'pre-Baltic States' is indeed hilarious"

It's just taken literally from Russian and local languages (pribaltik). From the Russian perspective, Estonia, Latvia, and Lithuania are "before the Baltic".

I don't know how the EU could open up much to Kaliningrad without opening up to all of Russia. On the other hand, Russia could open up Kaliningrad to the EU at huge benefit to the local economy. There has been much talk of transforming Kaliningrad into the Hong Kong of Europe but, sadly, no implementation.

Low landing fees, cheap fuel, and visa free access would do wonders.


User currently offlineBuyantUkhaa From Mongolia, joined May 2004, 2907 posts, RR: 3
Reply 18, posted (10 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 3282 times:

So it seems general consensus here at the forum is that when Russia would drop the visa requirements for Kaliningrad, it would have great potential. If I were the Russian government, I'd find this a fascinating experiment. But obviously I'm not, so I just keep hoping...

By the way there's an article (in Russian only) about the Russian transport minister Igor Levitin starting the RUR 600m reconstruction works at Kaliningrad a few weeks ago:

http://www.travel.ru/news/2004/08/10/42736.html

More info about the airport at

http://gov.kaliningrad.ru/etrans99.php3#r4




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User currently offlineZvezda From Lithuania, joined Aug 2004, 10511 posts, RR: 64
Reply 19, posted (10 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 3232 times:

BuyantUkhaa, thanks for the links. It reads that 474,000 passengers arrived in 2003, but that it should be able to accommodate 1,000,000 to 1,200,000 per year (not sure whether that is before or after renovation) with a peak capacity of 400 passengers per hour (arrivals, I think). Sorry, my Russian is not as good as my English.

User currently offlineZweed From Netherlands, joined Apr 2004, 455 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (10 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 3232 times:

Kaliningrad, The place in Europe with the highest percentage of HIV-positives and Heroine addicts.

What a place!!


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