MAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 31749 posts, RR: 73 Posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 3435 times:
American Eagle will end service to Portland, Maine this fall. Last day of service is 31 October 2004.
This is really unfortunate. Portland has been a popular market as of late. American Eagle offered two daily flights each to LaGuardia and O'Hare, and seasonal summer weekend service to Boston Logan. They will continue to serve Bangor, Maine from LaGuardia and Boston.
Portland, Maine joins Belo Horizonte, Duluth (Minn.), and Lincoln (Neb.) as destinations leaving the American Airlines network this fall. However, a last minute incentive package being offered by Brazilian state officials may reverse the decission to suspend service to Belo Horizonte.
ERJ170 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 6692 posts, RR: 18 Reply 2, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 3191 times:
I heard that AA was pulling the MD80s out the desert. Is this true? Seems like a good idea..
If it is true that they are trying to move from many affiliates (Trans States, Corporate, etc) to just Eagle, then some of the Eagle flights need to be main mainline. If you got the ships in the desert, bring them back! Free up some of these RJ... I think the 4 RJ RDU-PVD could be upgraded to 3 MD80.. I don't think it would leave that many empty seats. I would expect at least 70% full.
Other routes could be upgraded also... add the PVD-MIA.. add ORF-MIA.. etc..
or am I just rambling??? If I am, please excuse me!
MAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 31749 posts, RR: 73 Reply 8, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 3052 times:
MAH4546, I was just trying to think of ways to free up some RJs... how about 2 MD80s and a midday RJ
There is no need for M80s to be put on RDU-PVD. American Airlines has twice put M80s on RDU-LGA and RDU-BOS, and both times (most recently in the summer of 2002), the service lasted only a few months. It just isn't economical, and RDU-PVD would make even less sense.
The way to free up RJs is doing just what AA is doing, dropping less profitable destinations, like Lincoln, Duluth, and Portland. Also, reducing some frequencies on other RJ routes with lots of frequency out of Boston, O'Hare, Dallas, and Raleigh. There is no need to replace lost RJs with M80s or more capaicty. AA wants less capacity in the first place since it helps to increase yield.
Mikeycpvd From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 162 posts, RR: 2 Reply 12, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 2999 times:
Running three daily M80s on RDU-PVD would kill the route within two months.
Say, ERJ i'd agree with MAH. The RDU flights are doing exceptionally well from PVD, but only by RJ standards. Plus the stage length is longer to justify the cost as compared to the New York City flights we used to have on 135s and 140s. I at least hope they will re-issue JFK once that hub gets back on its feet. Either that or mainline MIA, because there is a lot of lost Caribbean connecting service (not to mention European, but ORD has picked up that slack).
Some cats think i'm 6 feet, I'm so deep; I can get d-d-down like a pessimist - Common
ERJ170 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 6692 posts, RR: 18 Reply 14, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 2940 times:
No, really Mikey and MAH, it was just a thought out load to the following proposition..
Part of the problem is that AA needs a lot of ERJs to replace the retired Fokkers. It's not that PWM doesnt' make money, but the ERJs are needed where there is more money to make.
I was just stating a suggestion, since I heard the RDU-PVD flights were doing better than anticipated. I just had the thought that if those flights could be freed by bringing the MD80's out of storage, perhaps teh AE could be used on other routes. Just continuing an idea with an example...
EMBQA From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 9348 posts, RR: 12 Reply 16, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 2861 times:
Northern New England has become a large hole in AA's route network....no BTV, MHT, PWM - only BGR now
No kidding PVD757... Their route system is a FAR cry from what BEX ran. BEX was the #1 airline for departures in almost every city they served. Heck, in BOS we where 3X the next closest at out peak. The only reason AE stays in BGR is its a MX base....for now.
"It's not the size of the dog in the fight, but the size of the fight in the dog"
Pwm2txlhopper From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 1252 posts, RR: 1 Reply 17, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 2767 times:
I'm sorry to hear the AA is completely pulling out of PWM. During the last four years since the acquisition of BEX, I almost want to say I've been expecting it for some time. Although as EMBQA stated, the operation at PWM has really been deteriorating for quite some time now since the days of BEX. EMBQA was somewhat right about the drastic cut in frequency. Just one minor correction. Not only was BEX (and AA Eagle for a short time after the acquisition) flying to BOS and LGA a lot more often, in the case of Boston I can remember a time when BEX service to BOS was every half hour, starting around 9am and going until 5 or 6pm. Also, until the RJ's came, this route was always a SF-340, of which I never thought I'd actually miss seeing one day in the near future.
However, with US, DL, we are fairly well served in the BOS, LGA markets. Maybe that will change if US goes under. Even then, perhaps Colgan Air which operated most of these flights would pick up the route for themselves independently, but who knows?
Ckfred From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 4914 posts, RR: 1 Reply 18, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 2682 times:
What is happening is that as the Fokkers are retired, they are replaced with more RJ flights. For instance, ORD-ATL was 4 Fokkers and 2 MD-80s. The plan was to fly 4 MD-80s and 4 ERJs, although the schedule cutbacks at ORD have led to 1 ERJ flight being dropped.
Wouldn't it have made sense to fly 5 MD-80s and leave the ERJs where they were?
Obviously, AA needs a 100-seat airplane. Arpey has said this several times. If and when AA starts making money, then hopefully, AA orders some 737-700s.
PSU.DTW.SCE From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 7181 posts, RR: 29 Reply 19, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 2527 times:
You could also argue that the PWM-ORD route is being cut as part of the flights that AA will cut from ORD to reduce delays. They'd rather cut service to a smaller market than give up a frequency to a large one.
It has nothing to do with the F-100's being retired. They are pretty much gone as it is now, after next week. There are plenty of RJ's now, and still on order to backfill those routes.