A320319318 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 48 posts, RR: 0 Posted (8 years 9 months 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 2518 times:
Mexicana or Aeromexico to China;
In Reforma newspaper (respected Mexico City paper) on 25August there was an article that stated that Mexican officials were in China negotiating a bilateral air transportation agreement. Mexican citizens visiting China will not require a visa. Cathay Pacific said they might be interested in a Beijing/Hong Kong-Mexico City route. Mexican government (CINTRA) said Mexicana would be the likely choice, though no aircraft are availabe at the time, and studies are being conducted on profitability of route.
In the same newspaper another commentary said both MX/AM were being considered for the route, although none had aircraft presently.
Who will win???????????????????????????/
(a secret............MEXICANA!), since AM has routes to Europe.
What do you guys think?
EddieDude From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 7183 posts, RR: 45 Reply 1, posted (8 years 9 months 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 2433 times:
Unfortunately, it is more likely that a Chinese airline (or CX) will start flying to Mexico before a Mexican carrier. The reason is not just aircraft availability but also the precarious financial situation of CINTRA. AM and MX expected to post a profit this year but CINTRA will likely end up losing 100-150 million dollars during fiscal 2004 as a result of the oil prices.
Another issue is range. While it may be possible to do a non-stop from Chinese territory to Mexican territory using a 772LR or an A345 in a low-density configuration, it is almost impossible to do a non-stop from Mexican territory to Chinese territory. A technical stop in YVR or something would be needed and this might be a reason for not starting flights.
DYK From Canada, joined Jul 2004, 407 posts, RR: 0 Reply 2, posted (8 years 9 months 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 2370 times:
Under the Canada-Mexico bilateral agreement a Mexican carrier will have fifth freedom rights ex Canada to any point. So I think a stop in YVR would serve a Mexican carrier very well, as traffic to Asia and Mexico from is enjoying healthy growth.
Ghost77 From Mexico, joined Mar 2000, 5128 posts, RR: 53 Reply 3, posted (8 years 9 months 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 2241 times:
According to several articles looks like CX will be the one flying the route and MX will only place its codeshare in the route.
But CX will sure be forced to do a techincal stop somewhere on their way back! YVR could be a possibility, meanwhile mexican carriers could flythe route from TIJ!
That route sure needs a MD11, A340, B747 or at least an A330 which MX and AM lacks of all and also add to that the recent fuel prices raising all the way to FL500 in the last months and according also to Reforma and Dario's Celis respected column, SADLY I think CINTRA will not post a profit in 2004, but I really hope they do the opposite way... !
Ricardo APM
Ricardo Morales - flyAPM - ¡No es que maneje rapido, solo estoy volando lento!
Pilotcoex From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 5, posted (8 years 9 months 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 2112 times:
There was an article last week on Bloomberg.com ( Latin America) and also the Asian Wall Street Journal about the Mexican and Chinese Governments allowing direct flights between MEX and China. However, the article did not mentioned CX. It mentioned China Southern (B777), China Eastern (A340) and Air China (A340) as possible candidates.
Jopavon From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 304 posts, RR: 7 Reply 6, posted (8 years 9 months 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 2047 times:
Iniciarán en 2005 vuelos a Hong Kong por Mexicana y Cathay
Lunes, 23 de Agosto del 2004 (15:26:41)
Fuente: Crónica
MÉXICO, DF.- El año entrante podrían iniciar los primeros vuelos de México hacia Hong Kong, consideró Miguel Torruco Marqués, presidente de la Asociación Mexicana de Hoteles y Moteles (AMHM). Lo anterior luego del código compartido que se aprobó entre Mexicana de Aviación y Cathay Pacific.
This comes to say that MX and CX have or will have a Code share on flights to Hong Kong. Here's the link to the story. Only in spanish sorry. If that happens...MX will have codeshares on four of the actual eight members of Oneworld: AA, IB, CX & LA.
EddieDude From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 7183 posts, RR: 45 Reply 7, posted (8 years 9 months 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 2031 times:
I think Mexico-China flights will not start in the short term. The signing of the agreement between the 2 governments does not mean that flights will start right away, but rather that now they are permitted.
DYK, thanks for the info on the bilateral. I didn't know that Mexican carriers have 5th freedom rights ex-Canada. It looks like MX should get an A340 and do MEX-YVR-PVG 2 or 3 times weekly. Sadly, as Ghost mentions, the financial situation of CINTRA is not improving as a result of the rise in fuel prices, so this looks very unlikely. (On an unrealted side-note, I would not call Darío Celis' column "respected", the guy can't write decent Spanish and makes up half of the things he writes about).
Pecevanne From Mexico, joined Jun 2004, 175 posts, RR: 0 Reply 11, posted (8 years 9 months 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 1786 times:
I heard that they are looking to fly from Mx City to SJD and then to china. Or maybe from TIJ and china.
What kind of bird...777 or A-340..Which airline?... As Mexican citizen nobody knows....
If bilateral agreement with Canada permits fifth freedom rights to Orient I think the airline will be MEXICANA.
Let Me say that everything will be in secret until last minute. That's the way we always proceed.
EddieDude From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 7183 posts, RR: 45 Reply 12, posted (8 years 9 months 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 1762 times:
The Los Cabos area has in my opinion a lot of potential to become a major premium touristic destination on a global scale, so your comments sound interesting Pecevanne. I can definitely see a lot of wealthy Asian travelers spotting whales in the Sea of Cortés, playing golf in the wonderful golf courses of Los Cabos and enjoying the luxurious spas and resorts that are mushrooming in the area. And if the government goes ahead with the very ambitious Escalera Náutica infrastructure project, the whole Baja California peninsula will become a major touristic hotspot. Does anybody know if SJD can handle a big widebody?
Adriaticus From Mexico, joined May 2004, 1112 posts, RR: 21 Reply 14, posted (8 years 9 months 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 1639 times:
It's not only runway length, but width, and, most specially, a Pavement Compaction Number (PCN) that matches that of the incoming aircraft's own compaction number (ACN).
ConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 15, posted (8 years 9 months 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 1611 times:
What ever airline does CHINA - MEXICO needs 744s because one main money maker will be cargo
The Hunchback of Puget Sound is actually one of the worst modern longrange widebodies for concentrating on cargo when in [typical density] pax config...
Ghost77 From Mexico, joined Mar 2000, 5128 posts, RR: 53 Reply 16, posted (8 years 9 months 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 1589 times:
I would not call Darío Celis' column "respected", the guy can't write decent Spanish and makes up half of the things he writes about).
Ok, but he along with Rosario Áviles from La Crónica are the ones that know a little bit more things about aviation than others.
About SJD and TIJ
IMHO - TIJ is the best option for MX!
Let Me say that everything will be in secret until last minute. That's the way we always proceed.
Truth and Sadly... While other carriers especially Asian carriers shout about their new orders and planes here its is the opposite way while we all know the reality. I hope Flores and Romano soon confirm the T7 order and the A340 order!
Ricardo APM
Ricardo Morales - flyAPM - ¡No es que maneje rapido, solo estoy volando lento!
EddieDude From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 7183 posts, RR: 45 Reply 17, posted (8 years 9 months 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 1563 times:
I would say the 772ER order has been tacitly confirmed. I mean, it was on the letter of the CEO in AM's June or July inflight magazine.
And sorry to insist on staying off-topic but I don't think Darío Celis knows about aviation (or about anything for that matter), I think he just repeats whatever rumors he hears or reads. I probably sound too antagonistic but it is really annoying to read all those wrong facts he writes about every day.
CessnaLady From Mexico, joined exactly 9 years ago today! , 307 posts, RR: 5 Reply 18, posted (8 years 9 months 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 1547 times:
I can see the benefit of both routes: MEX-TIJ-Asia, with a focus on business and cargo being the money driver of the flight, and MEX-SJD-Asia, with a focus on business and leisure as the money drivers of the flight...
I don't think AM's Fernando Flores would make the "oso" of announcing the B777 in a formal "Letter from the CEO" - and then don't go for it...
However, MX hasn't said anything official about the A340...
so the bet is in the air... Who will it be, AM or MX? (Or CX?)
NAVEGA From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 741 posts, RR: 0 Reply 19, posted (8 years 9 months 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 1528 times:
Mexicana will be the carrier. They have been very involved
with the China trade commissions and have participated
in travel shows in the orient. They also have a very impressive ticket office/agents in the orient just look at
their time tables.
Marcus From Mexico, joined Apr 2001, 1721 posts, RR: 2 Reply 21, posted (8 years 9 months 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 1416 times:
A couple of years ago there was a diplomatic gathering of heads of state in Los Cabos, of course the airport saw a bunch of presidential transports arrive, while the airport could handle widebodies it could not handle that many of them so some of the aircraft were flown to nearby La Paz while the meeting was in effect, and then flown to pick up Presidents, Prime Ministers and the like.
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