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Airbus: Thai To Buy 6 A380  
User currently offlineJoni From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (10 years 1 month 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 11480 times:


I just noticed this, I don't recall seeing it before:

http://biz.yahoo.com/rc/040827/transport_airbus_thailand_1.html

122 replies: All unread, showing first 25:
 
User currently offlineScorpio From Belgium, joined Oct 2001, 5032 posts, RR: 44
Reply 1, posted (10 years 1 month 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 11218 times:

http://www.airliners.net/discussions/general_aviation/read.main/1714859/

User currently offlineMaddy From Germany, joined Aug 2004, 164 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (10 years 1 month 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 11056 times:

http://www.airbus.com/dynamic/media/press_releases.asp#1571

User currently offlineNyc777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5772 posts, RR: 47
Reply 3, posted (10 years 1 month 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 10930 times:

Old news. This was something that everyone knew was going to happen. What is surprising is the order for 6 772ER. This week Boeing got orders for 24 777. Way to go B!


That which does not kill me makes me stronger.
User currently offlineKa From Switzerland, joined Apr 2000, 661 posts, RR: 10
Reply 4, posted (10 years 1 month 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 10875 times:

Nyc777:
The news for 6 777 were as old as the news for the Airbus order as they were announced at the same time after the board´s approval.

KA.


(Edited for spelling)

[Edited 2004-08-27 14:56:07]


Keep smiling - you might be on Radar!
User currently offlineSjoerd From Belgium, joined Aug 2003, 361 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (10 years 1 month 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 10789 times:

Also check out the computer designed pictures of the TG A380 on the Airbus website, they are very well done !


Flanders + Wallonnia + Brussels = the UNITED STATES of BELGIUM
User currently offlineTasha From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (10 years 1 month 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 10770 times:

Personally, I would think it wise to wait until the A380 flies to order. If it does not perform as expected, which is entirely possible, it will be a fiasco of the highest order. Not only for the airlines in question, but for Airbus especially; a dramatic failure may even mean the end of Airbus all together.

What is known about the A380 is that it is currently having issues with weight and fuel consumption (projected). While I have no doubt that these will either be solved or reduced to the point of insignificance eventually, they are still problems that need to be addressed. The airlines are looking at the bottom dollar in everything.

I wish Airbus and the A380 well. I am VERY skeptical about it's performance. One thing that can be said for certain is: That there will by no bars, gyms, movie theaters, nurseries, shopping malls, or anything else of that nature. What the aircraft will have is lots of economy class seats squeezed as tightly as is possible. What would you say to a 3+4+4 configuration?

Lets take a minute to remember the MD11. This aircraft delivered or surpassed every design goal (except range and fuel consumption). I love to fly in it, and have on many occasions. It is one of the most comfortable aircraft... Yet it was only a marginal success. The A380 better be more than just marginal; If the A380 is even a marginal success, it will be branded publicly as a dismal failure regardless of how advanced an aircraft it is.

All this talk of a sidestick vs. Control yoke is so totally irrelevant in the long run. If Airbus (or Boeing) were really smart, they would offer both. The airlines would be able to choose if they wanted a yoke or stick. Who cares, as it's all digitally driven anyhow; we're not speaking of B707s and DC-8s.

My prediction: Thai will be able to use it's A380 fleet in only the most restricted routes. If this plane flies at 75% capacity as a norm - it will be a total failure - and this cannot be stressed enough.

Why do you think the B747 was withdrawn from many of its former routes and replaced by smaller aircraft? Overcapacity. This is exactly what will happen with the A380. It will be efficient and profitable: NYC - LON or NYC - FRA, perhaps even LON - MIA... but other than that it will be too large. If you have 450 seats, with only 350 occupied... you are not being profitable.

Just my thoughts...

Tasha  Smile/happy/getting dizzy



User currently offlineKa From Switzerland, joined Apr 2000, 661 posts, RR: 10
Reply 7, posted (10 years 1 month 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 10741 times:

Tasha:
Your A380-bashing is wishful thinking. Forget it.

KA.



Keep smiling - you might be on Radar!
User currently offlineTasha From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (10 years 1 month 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 10720 times:

KA:

Your blind faith in the A380 is foolish a best... I think it is the wrong plane at the wrong time. I'm not bashing it at all. I would love to take a ride in one.

Tasha  Smile/happy/getting dizzy


User currently offlineCPDC10-30 From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2000, 4785 posts, RR: 23
Reply 9, posted (10 years 1 month 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 10642 times:

If this plane flies at 75% capacity as a norm - it will be a total failure - and this cannot be stressed enough.

Well, Airbus would have to very far off their projections for your prophecy to ring true. Airbus is predicting a 58% breakeven load factor...that may be a bit optimistic but still it should be well under 70%.

BTW, SQ has already committed to starting service with the A380 with less than 500 pax. They will have more than enough room to offer some new types of services...I doubt we'll see swimming pools though! The worst Thai could do is put 3-4-3 in economy on the main deck...same as the 747.

And finally, IMHO the MD-11 was not a mediocre success, it was a dismal failure as a pax aircraft. MD had almost a five year advantage on the Boeing 777 and with all the missed expectations they completely lost their customer's trust and never recovered even though the PIP improved performance close to the original projected range.

[Edited 2004-08-27 16:01:09]

User currently offlineBraybuddy From Ireland, joined Aug 2004, 5740 posts, RR: 32
Reply 10, posted (10 years 1 month 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 10551 times:

Tasha: your denial of Airbus bashing would be more convincing if you hadn't got
"A fool and his money are quickly parted by the Airbus Corp" posted on your profile page!


User currently offlineTasha From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (10 years 1 month 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 10540 times:

"Tasha: your denial of Airbus bashing would be more convincing if you hadn't got
"A fool and his money are quickly parted by the Airbus Corp" posted on your profile page! "

Perhaps so..... LOL  Big thumbs up

Tasha  Smile/happy/getting dizzy


User currently offlineBENNETT123 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2004, 7630 posts, RR: 3
Reply 12, posted (10 years 1 month 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 10283 times:

Tasha

I think that your ill will towards Airbus in general and the A380 in particular may be premature. Are you saying that no US airliner, which had development problems was not ultimately a success.

It will be interesting to see what happens when the A380 flies next year.

You may think that a worldwide Boeing monopoly would be a good thing, personally I think that having at least competitors is in the interests of airlines and passengers.

I see no reason why the A380 and B7E7 should not both succeed.


User currently offlineTasha From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (10 years 1 month 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 10255 times:

Bennett:

"I see no reason why the A380 and B7E7 should not both succeed."

Neither do I, as both are facinating aircraft. I think however that the A380 is too large for the current market. As far as a "world wide Boeing monopoly"...  Big thumbs up No, actually competition is a good thing, and I wish Airbus well. Personally, I would have much preferred them to produce a better A340 variant as that type is in wide service.

Tasha  Smile/happy/getting dizzy


User currently offlineScorpio From Belgium, joined Oct 2001, 5032 posts, RR: 44
Reply 14, posted (10 years 1 month 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 10250 times:

Tasha, quick question: Do you also think airlines should wait to order the 7E7 until the plane flies? After all, that could go horribly wrong as well, with all the new technology...

User currently offlineTasha From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (10 years 1 month 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 9857 times:

Scorpio... the answer is... YES & NO,

The diffrence is that the 7E7 could operate many more, and far more diverse routes than the A380 profitably. Would it be a bad idea for LH, BA, or NW to buy A380's to fly the North Atlantic at this point in time - no it would not. But the real question is: Can they fill the aircraft. Can Emirates? Can JAL? Who knows...

What I do know, is that the 7E7 is far easier to fill than the A380.

Tasha  Smile/happy/getting dizzy


User currently offlineBraybuddy From Ireland, joined Aug 2004, 5740 posts, RR: 32
Reply 16, posted (10 years 1 month 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 9787 times:

Even if there is a downturn in the world economy, air travel will still increase, after a slight blip, as it has done since airlines started carrying passengers. What makes Tasha think that air travel will decrease, which is what she is implying by saying there is no real market for the A380?

User currently offlineGary2880 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (10 years 1 month 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 9765 times:

far as im conserned the 7e7 is a 757 with diffrent paint, atleast the A380 is offering something totaly diffrent, the 7e7 maybe more fule efficiant but has the same capasity as a 767 a330 757 i guess, doesnt seam anything special to me

User currently offlineAirbus3801 From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2004, 1089 posts, RR: 5
Reply 18, posted (10 years 1 month 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 9748 times:

Tasha,

So this could be make our brake for Airbus, the 747 had so many more problems then the A380 will. The A380's compacity is good right now because less aircraft are needed to fly pax to the same place. A bus (the actually driving one, not an "bus" as in airbus) will just about do the same thing. The 7E7 could be a disaster for Boeing as well so you shouldn't be so quick to judge it as a better a/c then the A380.

Nick Airbus3801

P.S. In economy a 4-4-3 configuration is absurd.

Yes and Airbus does rule


User currently offlineAvObserver From United States of America, joined Apr 2002, 2472 posts, RR: 9
Reply 19, posted (10 years 1 month 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 8904 times:

Gary2880, I'll cut you some slack due to your age but it seems you're not aware the 7E7 design will be set well apart from prior BCA jets of similar capacity due to its unprecented 50% by weight composite construction and new generation fuel-efficient engines which, due to the airplane's electric, rather than hyudraulic systems, will be of a new, 'bleedless' design which will increase efficiency. Like the A380, it's a fairly major technological leap in new materials and systems. Sure it may not look much different on the outside but many of its aspects will be fairly revolutionary, pushing the design envelope in many ways, further than ever before. All of Boeing's future airliner designs are likely to be based on this new approach and assembly methods. Airbus took a fair leap forward in these regards, as well, but conceptually, the A380 isn't all that different from what has been offered before, largely a 30% scale-up of the 747 with FBW and more advanced systems. Let's keep things in the proper, balanced perspective.

User currently offlineAaron747 From Japan, joined Aug 2003, 8164 posts, RR: 26
Reply 20, posted (10 years 1 month 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 8894 times:

More idiocy from Thai Airways management.


If you need someone to blame / throw a rock in the air / you'll hit someone guilty
User currently offlineBENNETT123 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2004, 7630 posts, RR: 3
Reply 21, posted (10 years 1 month 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 8894 times:

Aaron747

Sorry I don't follow you.

Are you saying that Thai International is mis managed?.

Evidence please.


User currently offlineUdo From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (10 years 1 month 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 8847 times:

Aaron,

as far as I know Thai is a profitable airline...and the A380 will boost their profits on routes such as BKK-LHR, BKK-FRA or BKK-SYD.

My advice for you:
1. before using the expression "mismanagement" or "idiocy" for Thai Airways, take a look at some loss making US airlines first
2. check Thai's timetable along with aircraft types used and frequencies
3. if you are not able to provide ANY arguments, better keep your doubtful one-sentence-statements for you


Regards
Udo


User currently offlineZvezda From Lithuania, joined Aug 2004, 10511 posts, RR: 64
Reply 23, posted (10 years 1 month 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 8808 times:

3-4-4 seating is absurd, however, 3-5-3 seating seems likely. After all, TG already have 3-4-3 seating on their B777-200s.

User currently offlineMark_D. From Canada, joined Aug 2001, 1447 posts, RR: 5
Reply 24, posted (10 years 1 month 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 8779 times:

It's amazing how much ongoing trolling still goes on around here about the good ol' A380. LOL, Tasha -- maybe just get used to the thing


Capacity-wise it's just not that big a step up from a 744 -- especially considering how many passengers get packed aboard 744s on Japanese domestic routes like Tokyo-Sapporo, for instance.


25 Post contains images Tasha : Mark D, Well if any critical word about the A380, or perhaps Airbus in general, is "trolling"; then I guess I am guilty of it. I still think, and will
26 Vimanav : All said and done, I do see some merits in Tasha's arguments. The trend is towards smaller aircraft with greater frequencies. The B744 is by no means
27 Post contains images Tasha : Udo: "My advice for you: 1. before using the expression "mismanagement" or "idiocy" for Thai Airways, take a look at some loss making US airlines firs
28 Leelaw : Vimanav: I'm a skeptic as well. The A380 fan club will tell you that the A380 concept isn't just about high capacity, but also improved passenger serv
29 Post contains images Tasha : Leelaw: Other than the "flying cruiseship concept", VS is a business out to make a profit. I think much of VS concepts are mirrors and smoke as their
30 Donder10 : I don't see the A380 being used on many Europe-North America routes at all.The trend has been for smaller aircraft and higher frequencies.
31 Ken777 : The 380 should be a good plane for a lot of routes as long as the operational performance exceeds expectations. The important thing in my mind is that
32 Vimanav : The only truly profitable routes I see for it are across the North Atlantic connecting New York to London and Frankfurt Au contraire, over 80 percent
33 BlueSky1976 : Tasha: You're forgetting much more important things, such as slot-controlled LHR and FRA airports. A380 will be the KING of Kangaroo Route, as well as
34 Post contains images Maddy : Tasha: "After all, didn't Lufthansa just post it's first profit in a long time?" But Lufthansa IS NOW MAKING PROFIT compared to some US Airlines which
35 L410Turbolet : If you are on a crusade against Airbus you don't need facts - just blind faith in Boeing. A vs. B. wars are getting soo boring...
36 Leelaw : The two majors operators, BA and JL, out of the two largest slot-controlled airports, LHR and NRT, aren't going to fly the A380 anytime soon. Why? How
37 Zvezda : BlueSky1976: "You're forgetting much more important things, such as slot-controlled LHR and FRA airports. A380 will be the KING of Kangaroo Route" FRA
38 BlueSky1976 : Leelaw: I can bet on BA buying dozen or more A380 in next 5 - 10 years. Don't count JAL out either, since 747-600X is a history... Zvezda: "FRA is get
39 Post contains images Vimanav : How many planes are currently flying daily between LHR-SYD/MEL? Its a route where 744s have a 100% monopoly. 32 weekly flights (18QF/14BA) between LON
40 Post contains links and images CessnaLady : The A380 will not even make a great freighter due to it's true double deck structure. (Tasha) Not true. Air freight is mostly carried out using standa
41 Post contains images Tasha : Marie, You might be right there, but I as far as I know also the placement and center of gravity is extremely important in an aircraft. I'm not saying
42 Starlionblue : Most freight is not outsize. It's palletized. So the 388 will do just fine.
43 Post contains images Maddy : "(when most here are on a crusade against Boeing)" How often during the past weeks I read about "Airbus subsidies","A380 overweighted" and stuff like
44 Zvezda : BlueSky1976: "So is LHR, even better - LHR is getting also T5, but it will still be a slot controlled airport. With FRA being congested as it is, I wo
45 Post contains links and images CessnaLady : ...as far as I know also the placement and center of gravity is extremely important in an aircraft... (Tasha) Actually, weight and balance procedures
46 Whitehatter : (AFAIK, the only freighters that have been oredered - however, it is my understanding UPS is also looking at them) Some of the Emirates order is for t
47 Gigneil : please dnt bring age into it i wouldnt if you were senile or something Perhaps if one in every three of your words weren't spelled incorrectly, we'd l
48 CessnaLady : Whitehatter and Gigneil... Thanks for the update on EK and ILFC's orders... Any clue as to who the end user of ILFC's A380F's will be?
49 Leelaw : IMO, the ratio between pax and cargo versions on order would make more sense if it were inverted. I think this monster has much more potential as a fr
50 Whitehatter : It's early days yet, and there are a lot of 747F aircraft to be replaced in the next ten years. Boeing and Airbus are well placed to go after the busi
51 Post contains images Tasha : "FedEx has already made the first move with the A380F. It's not inconcievable that Singapore Cargo could join the A380F operators eventually." Perhaps
52 Gigneil : The problem is that there are few 747-400s in the desert at the present time, most are being operated. There are many, many 742s and 741s in cargo ser
53 Whitehatter : I have mentioned this in other threads, there is potentially billions of dollars in freighters that Boeing could pick up with a 747X freighter and Air
54 A380900 : "Perhaps, but as you said the cargohaulers like to buy second and third hand aircraft. Wouldn't it make more sense for them to go out to the deserts a
55 Chgoflyer : Think they will outfit their A380's with hand held DVD's... business and first on Thai from LAX really sucks right now.. hope they improve their produ
56 Post contains images Tasha : A380900: You know, I think you are losing it. Now calling me xenophobic. It is now Airbus bashing to suggest that there may be alternatives to purchas
57 Post contains images A380900 : Tasha, "ALL opinions that don't follow blindly the folks at Airbus Industries is Airbus bashing A380900" But don't you think that taking for granted B
58 Maddy : Tasha: Just because Boeing says "the trend is toward smaller aircraft" and "point to point traffic" it doesn´t have to be true. Most airport-statisti
59 Zvezda : I wish people would stop accusing others of bashing Airbus or Boeing just for expressing an opinion. We all have biases. (Actually, all mammals have b
60 Post contains images Tasha : A380900 & Maddy: I do quite a bit of international travel and I have formed my opinions. Please note that I too have stated, in this thread even, that
61 Maddy : Probably you observe the American market and the transatlantic routes but at least 5 billion people are living on the other parts of the world! That's
62 Gigneil : I am sure that both of you will agree with me that in the Late 70's through the early 80's the B707 and DC8 were being pulled from service by the airl
63 Lnglive1011yyz : Why don't we just ban all Airbus and Boeing topics, including their products? This A vs B bullsh** is becoming out of control. Here I thought I was re
64 Adriaticus :
65 Maddy : "Why don't we just ban all Airbus and Boeing topics, including their products? This A vs B bullsh** is becoming out of control. Here I thought I was r
66 A380900 : Don't you guys think we should discuss "Airbus vs Boeing" in a forum about airliners? I am a little tired of people on this forum considering any "Air
67 BENNETT123 : given that the number of passengers is broadly increasing over time, then the Boeing view that more passengers will fly point to point on smaller airc
68 JoFMO : I have the feeling that both will be right. In future more passenger will fly between smaller airports and also between big hubs. The question is what
69 Post contains images Propulsion : WOW!!! Tasha wrote 432 words and got a complete slating afterwards! May be there is a lesson in this somewhere?
70 Post contains images Tasha : A380900 - "Don't you guys think we should discuss "Airbus vs Boeing" in a forum about airliners? I am a little tired of people on this forum consideri
71 Col : Oh how I wish we lived in a perfect world!! Boeing and Airbus are aiming their products at different markets, so we have the Boeing camp and Airbus ca
72 Post contains images BluebellyA380 : Well, I can't wait to fly the A380 on the BKK- HKT route... Bravo, TG!!!
73 Adria : "Your blind faith in the A380 is foolish a best... I think it is the wrong plane at the wrong time. I'm not bashing it at all. I would love to take a
74 Post contains images Tasha : "And the history repeats itself. What do you think how many believed in 1969 that Boeing is going to sell nearly 1500 B747s?" Airbus will never sell 1
75 Scottb : Well, I'd certainly have to dispute that a failure in the A380 project would mean the end of Airbus. Since the $3 billion in "repayable loans" from EU
76 Adria : "Airbus will never sell 1500 A380s because it is a totally different market, and there are other widebody aircraft to compete with. This is something
77 Maddy : Tasha: You can look into the future, wow! There is a little story I heard about a few months ago: "But what is it good for?" asked an engineer at the
78 Col : Everyone is allowed an opinion, Tasha believes the 380 will be a white elephant, and not sell. That's as she sees it, by replying all the time we cont
79 JoFMO : @ Scottb: congratulations to your comments. Although your opinion is completely Boeing biased, you show that this doesn't automatically lead to an A v
80 Post contains images A380900 : Tasha sweetie, It's true we don't agree on a lot of things and I'm glad we have found at least one thing we agree on. You just did not answer my quest
81 Post contains images Tasha : No Sweetie, I'm not Miss Michigan 1996. The name is similar, but it's not me. Thank you for the lovely compliment though. Tasha
82 Post contains images A380900 : No problem. I'm not mister Michigan either. In a way it's better because knowing you were a former Miss would have changed me into a fierce Boeing sup
83 Carpethead : Can't say whether the A380 program will be a financial success, but it will be used on the high-capacity European-Asian red-eye flights, the Kangaroo
84 Post contains images Tasha : A380900... I am a pageant winner (three actually), just wasn't Miss Michigan But as you like to bash Boeing, I'm just going to talk about that French
85 Tasha : Carpethead: "However, come to Asia, then you will understand the need for the A380. Just like us Asians don't understand the need for hundreds of RJs.
86 A380900 : I do like Boeing products. Maybe the A380 is indeed a fat big whale which will never take to the sky. It's ugly anyway and will never meet its specs.
87 Post contains images Tasha : A380900: "I do like Boeing products. Maybe the A380 is indeed a fat big whale which will never take to the sky. It's ugly anyway and will never meet i
88 A380900 : Tasha, I've just added you to my respected users, now we're on the same side.
89 Gigneil : Facts are that 129 orders exist 139 orders presently exist. N
90 Leelaw : The Concorde once had 100+ firm orders (14 delivered), the 747SP once had 75 firm orders (55 delivered), and the MD11 had close to 200 orders before i
91 Col : Gigneil Sorry talking about firmed, I thought the 10 additional were still MOU's. Tasha/A380900 Get a Room! Leelaw It will mostly depend on Airbus del
92 Leelaw : The A380 is an unremarkable design other than for its size and capacity. If Boeing successfully delivers the promised technologies and the improved pe
93 ILSApproach : I have not read all the posts on this topic as I know it became an A vs B thread. I would bet if A.Net was around back b4 the intro of the 747 we'd al
94 Maddy : Leelaw:" If Boeing successfully delivers the promised technologies and the improved performance made possible by those technologies to the marketplace
95 Zvezda : ILSApproach: "The only thing that is scary to me about the 380 is if one ever goes down full of Pax" No, going down is not the scarcity thing. The sca
96 Maddy : The A380 isn´t even flying and you talk about a crash?
97 N79969 : Good for Airbus and good for Thai. Time will tell if this was a good deal or a bad one.
98 Marcjet66 : Hi Tasha, If you really think the A380 is the wrong plane for the wrong time, maybe you should alert all this airlines ordering the big baby. Do you t
99 Klaus : Leelaw: The Concorde once had 100+ firm orders (14 delivered) Incorrect, as far as I know. Concorde only had options, no firm orders. Airbus has 139 f
100 Nwdc10 : I mentioned this before. The airliner that flyes a smaller jet will easily fill capacity and then fly frequency. The A380 will be very hard to fill wh
101 Zvezda : Assuming seat mile costs are reasonable, an aircraft that is smaller than optimal is profitable, though on a smaller than optimal scale, while larger
102 Aviasian : Frequency alone is not necessarily attractive. I take the case of Singapore Airlines' SIN-LHR flights. It has three flights - departing SIN at 0900hrs
103 Trent900 : Personally, I would think it wise to wait until the A380 flies to order. Dont you think airlines are going to do the same with the 7e7? Trent.
104 Indianguy : orders may exist, but it's deliveries that count. Excellent point leelaw. We should all remember that the next time somebody brings up those f***ing
105 Leelaw : IMO, the pax version of the A380 will most likely prove to be the B747SP and/or L1011-500 of the current generation of commercial aircraft because it
106 Joni : Leelaw, Isn't that the "Achilles' heel" of any new aircraft? Naturally there will be newer versions of the A380 as time goes by, just as we've seen t
107 Leelaw : Joni: "Isn't that the "Achilles' heel" of any new aircraft?" No, because some baseline designs have more ongoing development potential than others. IM
108 Joni : Leelaw, 1) What are your qualifications to assess the level of technical advancement offered by the A380 relative to existing aircraft? 2) Why would
109 Col : Do Airlines require and have they ordered the 380 - YEEEEESSSSS. Do Airlines require and have they ordered the 7E7 - YEEEEESSSSS. We are just going ba
110 Leelaw : Joni: "1) What are your qualifications to assess the level of technical advancement offered by the A380 relative to existing aircraft?" I work with co
111 Gigneil : IMO, unlike the original 747, the baseline A380 design does not represent enough of a technological advance to remain unchallenged in the marketplace
112 Post contains images Solnabo : OMG!!!! This Tasha person is worse than me when I was bashing Boeing inhere Guess I´ve met my match! *lol* Micke
113 AvObserver : "IMO, unlike the original 747, the baseline A380 design does not represent enough of a technological advance to remain unchallenged in the marketplace
114 Post contains images Leelaw : "...and of course Airbus could enhance its design with further technological advancements as time goes on.""You have no basis upon which to make your
115 Zvezda : Tasha: "Personally, I would think it wise to wait until the A380 flies to order." There are certainly advantages to making a decision with more rather
116 A380900 : Leelaw:" If Boeing successfully delivers the promised technologies and the improved performance made possible by those technologies to the marketplace
117 A388 : I agree with the ones who believe the airlines who ordered the A380 know what they are doing, looking at the amount of money they have invested in the
118 Leelaw : "?? very weird statement. I say let's forbid any flight from previous aircraft as soon as the 7E7 takes to the sky. If the latest production of Boeing
119 Joni : Leelaw, I think you may be under the impression that the 7e7 would have lower seat-mile costs than the A380. This is not the case, and even Boeing ha
120 Leelaw : Joni: "And furthermore, why limit the comparison to the routes you mention? How many planes would it be if all operating 744s would be replaced with A
121 Joni : Leelaw, Again, if you replace all 744s with A380s, then how many planes will that be?
122 Leelaw : Joni: 623 744s delivered to date, including 99 pure freighters and 61 combis. What should I conclude from that? Might want to take this to the new thr
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