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LH To Deploy A346 To DEN  
User currently offlineHB-IWC From Indonesia, joined Sep 2000, 4509 posts, RR: 72
Posted (10 years 1 month 4 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 4137 times:

Effective the start of the winter season, Lufthansa will deploy the A346 on its daily Frankfurt-Denver flights. The flight schedule has been slightly altered to accomodate this aircraft change:

FRA DEN 31/1245 31/1515 LH446 C9 D9 Z8 Y9 B9 M9 H9 Q9 V9 W3 S0 [346]
DEN FRA 31/1705 01/1040 LH447 C9 D9 Z9 Y9 B9 M9 H9 Q9 V9 W9 S9 [346]

As a result of this change, DEN will no longer be served with First Class equiped aircraft, but will, however, receive the new Business Class.



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User currently offlineSquirrel83 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (10 years 1 month 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 4095 times:

Photos photos photos ~
When started of course . .


User currently offlineFlightLover From Moldova, joined Mar 2004, 344 posts, RR: 9
Reply 2, posted (10 years 1 month 4 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 3991 times:

That's great news for DEN to get the Lufthansa A346 from FRA.

User currently offlineVenezuela747 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 1428 posts, RR: 5
Reply 3, posted (10 years 1 month 4 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 3820 times:

I believe they shoudl keep using the same gate on Concourse A, but does anyone know if DEN is able to handle the 346, in terms of how big the aircraft is (wingspan), we shouldn't worry about the runway I believe its long enough.

This si great news for DEN, all we need is pics.



ROLL TIDE!!!
User currently offlineDaumueller From Germany, joined Nov 2003, 693 posts, RR: 6
Reply 4, posted (10 years 1 month 4 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 3793 times:

too bad, that DEN looses it's F service but since I was the only passenger there 2 times last year, I guess it's the only reasonable decision...

good news for DEN to get that big bird!

cheers,

ben


User currently offlineBA From United States of America, joined May 2000, 11153 posts, RR: 59
Reply 5, posted (10 years 1 month 4 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 3776 times:

Fantastic news. Can't wait to spot it.

BA did the same thing a while ago, they are now flying 777s with Club World, World Traveler Plus, and World Traveler when they used to fly ones with First Class, Club World, and World Traveler.

From my experiences on BA and LH, First class was always empty. However business class is always full.

Last time I flew BA, I flew World Traveler Plus and it was completely full also.

Regards



"Generosity is giving more than you can, and pride is taking less than you need." - Khalil Gibran
User currently offlineGigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16347 posts, RR: 85
Reply 6, posted (10 years 1 month 4 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 3699 times:

I would think for ski season that LH would find enough business to send the 744, as they've done previous ski seasons.

I would also imagine BA will reintroduce 744 service.

N


User currently offlineJoFMO From Germany, joined Jul 2004, 2211 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (10 years 1 month 4 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 3654 times:

I would also guess that DEN is not a prime first class destination. So if LH could easily fill a 744 in business and tourist, maybe two 343 would be more useful. Maybe we will once see the awaited MUC-DEN flight.

User currently offlineN737MC From Canada, joined Oct 2000, 678 posts, RR: 16
Reply 8, posted (10 years 1 month 4 weeks ago) and read 3356 times:

All I have to say to this matter is. Boyoyoyoyoyoyoying!!!!

 Wow!  Wow!

Hehe!!!


Aaron Mandolesi
Denver, Colorado


User currently offlineNosedive From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (10 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 3223 times:

According to the Star Alliance timetable..... the 346 1st flight arrives in DEN on Halloween.....

Edit: I need to learn how to link better

1st LH 346 flight info:
http://st.flightlookup.com/star_drilldown_goldenware.php3?RQID=11a13cb6050f7cff225821b8bb0db8de6090575a06092391&NUMBER=1&HostIP=216.177.8.178&Port=8000

Last 744 flight info:
http://st.flightlookup.com/star_drilldown_goldenware.php3?RQID=11a13cb505007f71225821b8bb0db8de6090575a0609238f&NUMBER=1&HostIP=216.177.8.178&Port=8000

[Edited 2004-08-29 06:51:18]

User currently offlineN1120a From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26605 posts, RR: 75
Reply 10, posted (10 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 2862 times:

As far as wingspan goes, the 744's wingspan fits at DEN, so the 346 should not have a problem. They have a 16,000 foot runway there, so that is not an issue either. Finally, I would guess that they have at least 1 gate there long enough for the 346, considering that they can fit them in the Alley gates between Bradley and T4 at LAX.


Mangeons les French fries, mais surtout pratiquons avec fierte le French kiss
User currently offlineAirfrnt From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 2826 posts, RR: 42
Reply 11, posted (10 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 2745 times:

The gates at DEN in A concourse are plenty big (there are 4 international gates in A concourse that are owned by the city). They put fully loaded 744's in there all the time so I really do not see a problem with a 346.

Switching from a 744 to a 346 might be a sign that the long rumored DEN-MUC route may actually occur.


User currently offlineMozart From Luxembourg, joined Aug 2003, 2190 posts, RR: 13
Reply 12, posted (10 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 2670 times:

I can confirm that the few times I flew on LH to DEN I was the only pax in F, every time. The FAs on board also said that DEN never gets a lot of F traffic.

User currently offlineDIA From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 3273 posts, RR: 27
Reply 13, posted (10 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 2606 times:

Great news from a Denver spotting perspective: we've had LH A342s, A343s, 744s, and now A346s. . .that's quite a cross section of a/c for just one route.

Airfrnt said: "Switching from a 744 to a 346 might be a sign that the long rumored DEN-MUC route may actually occur."

This is great news. But if it indicates a new route for LH, why wouldn't they make this change at the same time as introducing the new route? A346 proving runs?



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User currently offlineAA7771stClass From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 296 posts, RR: 5
Reply 14, posted (10 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 2573 times:

I don't know that much about the O&D traffic figures and all of that but I wouldn't think of CO as a major skiing draw for the Germans. Naturally some will travel but the Europeans have plenty of good skiing on their side of the pond so only the rich would consider that. Just a thought...

User currently offlineDIA From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 3273 posts, RR: 27
Reply 15, posted (10 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 2565 times:

"I don't know that much about the O&D traffic figures and all of that but I wouldn't think of CO as a major skiing draw for the Germans. Naturally some will travel but the Europeans have plenty of good skiing on their side of the pond so only the rich would consider that. Just a thought..."

Woah. Have you ever seen all the skiis being picked up at the luggage claim area after either the BA or LH flight get in during the ski season? I think you would chnage your mind.

Put simply, Colorado is a major destination for European Skiers. . .this is one of Denver's key selling points for European routes, direct and nonstop --then and now.






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User currently offlineBrick From United States of America, joined Aug 1999, 1589 posts, RR: 7
Reply 16, posted (10 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 2550 times:

This is great news. Maybe I can get excited again about my home airport. Even if it is just for a few months until the 346 is fleeted in Denver. Should get a pretty good crowd out there on 10/31/04...

Mark



A noble spirit embiggens the smallest man...
User currently offlineAirfrnt From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 2826 posts, RR: 42
Reply 17, posted (10 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 2414 times:

If it is a proving run for the 346, denver's high and dry location would help that out. I may have to swing by DEN to take a look at this bird.

User currently offlineDLKAPA From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (10 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 2294 times:

All I have to say to this matter is. Boyoyoyoyoyoyoying!!!!



Hehe!!!


Aaron Mandolesi
Denver, Colorado


I second that boyoyoyoyoyoyoyoyoyoying!





User currently offlineDABVF From Germany, joined Sep 2004, 184 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 2140 times:

There have been some changes on Lufthansa's Winter schedule to Denver:
LH 446/447 Frankfurt-Denver-Frankfurt will be operated by Boeing 747-400 in November, in December we hopefully will see an A340-600 on the route. Maybe the Boeing 747-400 will fly on the Denver-Route the whole winter schedule, as there are rumors that the A340-600 will be used on another route and so could not be used on the Denver-Route. Perhaps we will see the A340-600, which was planed for LH 446/447, on the Frankfurt-Cape Town run LH 576/577.


User currently offlineHirnie From Germany, joined May 2004, 595 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 2081 times:

Seems to me like LH is short of A346 as read DABVF`s post...



User currently offlineDABVF From Germany, joined Sep 2004, 184 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (10 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 1970 times:

@ Hirnie: That is not the problem.

Let's have a look on the planned A340-600-Flights in Winter 2004/2005:

from Frankfurt:
- 7/7 LH 740 to Osaka
- 7/7 LH 526 to Buenos Aires and Santiago de Chile
- 7/7 LH 446 to Denver
- 7/7 LH 712 to Seoul
=> requires 5-6 A340-600

from Munich:
- 7/7 LH 726 to Shanghai and Canton
- 7/7 LH 772/782 to Bangkok and Saigon/Kuala Lumpur
=> requires 4 A340-600

As Lufthansa has 10 A340-600, the planned program for winter is practicable.


[Edited 2004-09-12 11:00:10]

User currently offlineHB-IWC From Indonesia, joined Sep 2000, 4509 posts, RR: 72
Reply 22, posted (10 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 1950 times:

from Munich:
- 7/7 LH 726 to Shanghai and Canton
- 7/7 LH 772/782 to Bangkok and Saigon/Kuala Lumpur
=> requires 4 A340-600


The Munich A346 operation, as it is right now, is very inefficient. There's extremely long ground times at MUC as both flights come in very early in the morning, and go out late at night. I can't imagine Lufthansa having 2 A346s sitting idle in MUC for a whole day every single day. I also don't think that MUC-FRA-MUC positioning flights are an option, as there would be 2 of them every day in both directions. So I think we haven't seen the definitive version of the A346 operation for this winter yet. Something must be in the pipeline to overcome this utilization inefficiency.



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