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UA To Drop MIA-SFO/LAX  
User currently offlineLambertMan From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 2070 posts, RR: 36
Posted (9 years 11 months 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 6856 times:

Nonstops are dropped eff. OCT31st

Let's see what AA does...



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User currently offlineUadc8contrail From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 1782 posts, RR: 9
Reply 1, posted (9 years 11 months 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 6834 times:

probably wont affect aa....they were the dominant carrier already.....aa might u-grade some equip but other than that its probably status quo


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User currently offlineThrust From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 2688 posts, RR: 10
Reply 2, posted (9 years 11 months 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 6816 times:

UA had minimal service to MIA anyway, will not affect AA in the least...just too bad that a transcontinental route has to be dropped like that. Should we expect UA to dump any more transcons in the near future?


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User currently offlineDB777 From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 885 posts, RR: 44
Reply 3, posted (9 years 11 months 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 6812 times:
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How many flights does that leave for UA at MIA? Three or something like that? It's pathetic because they had three or four times that under regulation in the early 70's.


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User currently offlineUadc8contrail From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 1782 posts, RR: 9
Reply 4, posted (9 years 11 months 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 6805 times:

anyone remember when ua had only 4 flights a day as late as 1985??????


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User currently offlineSESGDL From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 3466 posts, RR: 10
Reply 5, posted (9 years 11 months 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 6806 times:

I just can't understand why UA would do this. I mean, they have hubs at SFO and LAX, and going to MIA, couldn't UA rely on O&D alone to fill these flights? Maybe the yields were low. I guess people flying MIA-LAX/SFO will be sent through DEN.

Jeremy


User currently offlineFlyboy7974 From United States of America, joined Jan 2003, 1540 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (9 years 11 months 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 6791 times:

do i hear hp knocking on aa's door again, hahahaha

User currently offlineUadc8contrail From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 1782 posts, RR: 9
Reply 7, posted (9 years 11 months 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 6767 times:

flyboy....dont think hp is going to knock on any transcons door for awhile....didnt they have their proverbial tail handed to them on the lax/sfo east coast runs to them by ua,aa,dl????aa is to mia as hp is to phx....build up mia and u will have the eagles swarming over your home turf like crazy...isnt that why us,dl starting fll as a new focus city?????vs mia


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User currently offlineFlyboy7974 From United States of America, joined Jan 2003, 1540 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (9 years 11 months 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 6746 times:

disagree with you, hp is only unhappy with sfo transcons, lax is doing well, and lax-mia is rumored as the next transcon, and i hope so, hope it to any airline to make aa fall to the ground. out of lax, the only flight pulled from their planned schedule were the night flights, but remember, back when announced, all the night flights to jfk/iad/bos were suppose to go, they were not discontinued to poor loads, they were only seasonal flights to begin with. as for sfo, sfo is losing frequencies due to poor stats. aa doesnt have the ground to hold in phx, they proved that with the jfk flights and how poorly those are doing for them

User currently offlineAA B777-200 From Netherlands, joined Mar 2001, 505 posts, RR: 4
Reply 9, posted (9 years 11 months 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 6735 times:

I think they opened MIA-SFO and MIA-LAX when they bought PanAm's rights, who actually had some presence in Miami.
The SFO/LAX routes were probably fed with transfer passengers out of Buenos Aires/Montevideo, Santiago, Rio and Sao Paulo.
At a certain stage they even served Caracas and Lima (I could be wrong) out of Miami.
But I can imagine that they're re-structuring since they're focusing on their hubs in Chicago, Denver and Washington.
It is sad though, 'cause I think that UAL is still one hell of a carrier!


User currently offlineUadc8contrail From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 1782 posts, RR: 9
Reply 10, posted (9 years 11 months 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 6714 times:

flyboy,
you are correct....but....if hp started lax-mia non stops arpey and his group of widebody flyboys will saturate the market if hp does and i wouldnt count them out doing phx-mia even as a money losing route just to mess with hp...



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User currently offlineAacun From Mexico, joined Jan 2004, 519 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (9 years 11 months 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 6710 times:
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United could very well be just taking these a/c out of these routes just to place them somewhere where they may get better yield and return. I see all the airlines doing this now a days. You have to sacrifice your low yielding routes and place your a/c where they will work better for the airline. Common sense............. And I firmly believe, United will stand! Long live the legacy carriers!

User currently offlineFlyboy7974 From United States of America, joined Jan 2003, 1540 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (9 years 11 months 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 6698 times:

and just now found on the hp site, bos-sfo is completely discontinued as of october, i thought they were keeping one flight, but there aren't any. flights will resume june 1, 2005

User currently offlineAirplaneslover From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 41 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (9 years 11 months 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 6685 times:

How many flights a day does UA have to each airport in SFO/LAX now? May be they shouldn't drop them completely but instead leave one flight per day to each airport.

User currently offlineAacun From Mexico, joined Jan 2004, 519 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (9 years 11 months 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 6660 times:
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Airplaneslover,

As far as I know a 757 every morning to sfo and an A320 to lax


User currently offlineHB-IWC From Greece, joined Sep 2000, 4498 posts, RR: 72
Reply 15, posted (9 years 11 months 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 6641 times:

Those MIA-LAX/SFO flight were becoming obsolete after the abandonment of the MIA-South America flights last year, which heralded the complete abolishment of the mini-MIA hub for UA. It was just a question of time. AA might very well add some capacity.



User currently offlineByrdluvs747 From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 2352 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (9 years 11 months 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 6572 times:

Flyboy7974,

Can you provide a link? There's nothing on the front page or in the PR section.



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User currently offlineFlyboy7974 From United States of America, joined Jan 2003, 1540 posts, RR: 2
Reply 17, posted (9 years 11 months 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 6558 times:

provide a link to what, the hp news or the ua

User currently offlineUnitedTristar From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (9 years 11 months 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 6447 times:

Airplaneslover,

They only have one flight a day with the 757 or 320...I cannot remember which one...but either way they are super empty as is most of their flights out of MIA so in order to boost loads on their other flights to IAD ORD and DENthey need to cancel this flight. It makes since to me as a logical move. With the 757's going to PS and all those 737 and 767 being retired..... mainline aircraft seem to be at a premium...So if you can carry the same amount of passengers with less flights then why not. Its effective fleet planning!

-m

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[Edited 2004-08-30 14:23:33]

User currently offlineMiaskies From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 1347 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (9 years 11 months 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 6423 times:

Hmm wow that is going to leave MIA preety much a non UA airport! They are cutting down more and more on their flights.

As far as AA and what this means for this market, don't expect much...maybe more frequency. They already have 5 daily flights to LAX on 752's and 763's (all non stop) and 3 daily non stops to SFO on 752's and 763. I am taking the 820am 763 MIA-SFO on Friday Morning, I will post the trip report upon my return.



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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32620 posts, RR: 72
Reply 20, posted (9 years 11 months 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 6359 times:

The reason for the suspension is simple: UA has lost the business travelers to AA. AA offers tweleve daily non-stop flights between the Miami area and California. UA's two couldn't compete. And after stopping the LatAm flights, those premium cabins were probably gonig out empty. I'm sure AA is happy. They probably won't increase SFO service, but there are rumours LAX will be getting a tenth daily, from MIA (AA's winter schedule is supposed to come out Sunday). This does open the door for America West. MIA-LAX has long been rumoured as their next transcon.

It is sad to see how UA has just killed their presence at MIA. That Star Alliance terminal is just going to look even emptier now, and so is that the new Red Carpet Club.

Also, on the rumour block, United may be dropping LAX-MCO next, Though MCO-SFO will stay, as it is the only non-stop service in the market.


[Edited 2004-08-30 15:26:37]


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User currently offlineAs739x From United States of America, joined Apr 2003, 6098 posts, RR: 23
Reply 21, posted (9 years 11 months 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 6319 times:

All in all this is no surprise and no one is really going to notice these flights are gone! SFO/LAX-MIA were really a waste when they shut down the S. American Ops.

ASSFO



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User currently offlineJoFMO From Germany, joined Jul 2004, 2211 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (9 years 11 months 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 6282 times:

But a least their LAX flights are timed for connections with their south pacific network.
Abandoning MIA-LAX means they give up the whole market to OZ and NZ from Florida.
I have fears that their flights from MSY and DFW will not last much longer.


User currently offlineMozart From Luxembourg, joined Aug 2003, 2167 posts, RR: 13
Reply 23, posted (9 years 11 months 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 6263 times:

... and an additional thought: not only can UA route pax through DEN (although there are only 2 flights), there is also some significant presence by codeshare partner US Airways in SOuthern Florida, at MIA and more so at FLL.

Other than that, I agree that it makes my sad to see to what extent UA has had to reduce its presence at MIA.


User currently offlineBicoastal From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (9 years 11 months 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 6138 times:

Seems like these would be candidate routes for Ted? I suppose the low yield is there, but not the volume. LA and Bay Area folks holiday in Hawaii and the west coast of Mexico and less so in Florida.

25 ConcordeBoy : I have fears that their flights from MSY and DFW will not last much longer. ...based on?
26 MAH4546 : Seems like these would be candidate routes for Ted? No, not really. MIA is too expensive for TED to operate to. MIA will remain a Ted-less operation f
27 NWAFA : If that was not a profitable market, then good for them for making the right decision. Its about business and not personal choices when and were to fl
28 Ba319-131 : AA is killing UA in MIA so I guess it's not a real shock that the non-stops to LAX/SFO have gone,however it is a great shame.
29 MSYtristar : UA will add a 3rd LAX-MSY nonstop on 10/31. So much for the thoery that LAX-MSY will get cut. UA will own the market once the 3rd nonstop starts.
30 JoFMO : MSYtristar, it was not my intention to express a roumour that UA could pull ou of MSY, I only had fears that MAI could be the beginning of more. Nice
31 MAH4546 : UA will add a 3rd LAX-MSY nonstop on 10/31. So much for the thoery that LAX-MSY will get cut. UA will own the market once the 3rd nonstop starts. That
32 JoFMO : What kind of season is that 31/OCT to 16/DEC? Is the autumn in MSY that interesting, or why?
33 MSYtristar : The Fall in MSY is prime convention season. Several airlines are adding additional frequencies during this period on various routes. It's still good t
34 StevenUhl777 : Good. Glad to see UA cutting low yield flights and cutting costs and their associated drain on financial results. As much as hurts to say, AA has alwa
35 Jjeff : Too bad to see these flights go but the writing was on the wall. I travel LAX-MIA-LAX two or three times a year and have seen the progressive downgra
36 Travelin man : I just travelled the LAX-MCO in early August on United. It was completely full (and a full flight does not equal profitable and yadda yadda yadda...).
37 MAH4546 : Unless UA suddenly is dropped by Disney as the preferred corporate airline, LAX-MCO (a.k.a. the Disney special) won't be dropped anytime soon That is
38 Travelin man : What airline would they switch to? AA? That would be the only other plausible airline for that market and for Disney's needs.
39 Flairport : maybe MIA will become TED's next city! Hope not! Could this be a spot where "NEW DELTA" decides to go? It is a premium O&D route with easy Hawaii conn
40 Alexinwa : How many gates does UA have a MIA? Who will get them?
41 Freshlove1 : I was talking with a UA dispatcher today while at work who was flying out on one of our flights and he said that UA will be removing 26 737's and 13 7
42 Post contains images UnitedTristar : Freshlove1, While its true that the 26 737's left in the beginning of last month and the 767-200's will be gone after the PS comes out, February, ther
43 MAH4546 : How many gates does UA have a MIA? Who will get them? I'm not exactly sure, but AC, UA, US, LH, and RG will have 14 gates between the four of them sta
44 N62NA : I'm not exactly sure, but AC, UA, US, LH, and RG will have 14 gates between the four of them starting in mid-2006 in the new Concourse J. In fact, Co
45 MAH4546 : Seems like alot of gates chasing not too many flights. The airlines had this huge plan to create an interantional Star Alliance gateway at MIA. This
46 N62NA : From what I have heard, while United is cutting flights left and right, the new terminal might mean that Star Alliance will build-up MIA a little mor
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