Thrust From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 2673 posts, RR: 11 Reply 2, posted (8 years 8 months 4 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 5050 times:
UA had minimal service to MIA anyway, will not affect AA in the least...just too bad that a transcontinental route has to be dropped like that. Should we expect UA to dump any more transcons in the near future?
SESGDL From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 3385 posts, RR: 11 Reply 5, posted (8 years 8 months 4 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 5040 times:
I just can't understand why UA would do this. I mean, they have hubs at SFO and LAX, and going to MIA, couldn't UA rely on O&D alone to fill these flights? Maybe the yields were low. I guess people flying MIA-LAX/SFO will be sent through DEN.
Uadc8contrail From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 1782 posts, RR: 10 Reply 7, posted (8 years 8 months 4 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 5001 times:
flyboy....dont think hp is going to knock on any transcons door for awhile....didnt they have their proverbial tail handed to them on the lax/sfo east coast runs to them by ua,aa,dl????aa is to mia as hp is to phx....build up mia and u will have the eagles swarming over your home turf like crazy...isnt that why us,dl starting fll as a new focus city?????vs mia
Flyboy7974 From United States of America, joined Jan 2003, 1540 posts, RR: 2 Reply 8, posted (8 years 8 months 4 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 4980 times:
disagree with you, hp is only unhappy with sfo transcons, lax is doing well, and lax-mia is rumored as the next transcon, and i hope so, hope it to any airline to make aa fall to the ground. out of lax, the only flight pulled from their planned schedule were the night flights, but remember, back when announced, all the night flights to jfk/iad/bos were suppose to go, they were not discontinued to poor loads, they were only seasonal flights to begin with. as for sfo, sfo is losing frequencies due to poor stats. aa doesnt have the ground to hold in phx, they proved that with the jfk flights and how poorly those are doing for them
AA B777-200 From Netherlands, joined Mar 2001, 503 posts, RR: 5 Reply 9, posted (8 years 8 months 4 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 4969 times:
I think they opened MIA-SFO and MIA-LAX when they bought PanAm's rights, who actually had some presence in Miami.
The SFO/LAX routes were probably fed with transfer passengers out of Buenos Aires/Montevideo, Santiago, Rio and Sao Paulo.
At a certain stage they even served Caracas and Lima (I could be wrong) out of Miami.
But I can imagine that they're re-structuring since they're focusing on their hubs in Chicago, Denver and Washington.
It is sad though, 'cause I think that UAL is still one hell of a carrier!
Uadc8contrail From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 1782 posts, RR: 10 Reply 10, posted (8 years 8 months 4 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 4948 times:
you are correct....but....if hp started lax-mia non stops arpey and his group of widebody flyboys will saturate the market if hp does and i wouldnt count them out doing phx-mia even as a money losing route just to mess with hp...
Aacun From Mexico, joined Jan 2004, 434 posts, RR: 2 Reply 11, posted (8 years 8 months 4 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 4944 times:
United could very well be just taking these a/c out of these routes just to place them somewhere where they may get better yield and return. I see all the airlines doing this now a days. You have to sacrifice your low yielding routes and place your a/c where they will work better for the airline. Common sense............. And I firmly believe, United will stand! Long live the legacy carriers!
HB-IWC From Greece, joined Sep 2000, 4414 posts, RR: 76 Reply 15, posted (8 years 8 months 4 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 4875 times:
Those MIA-LAX/SFO flight were becoming obsolete after the abandonment of the MIA-South America flights last year, which heralded the complete abolishment of the mini-MIA hub for UA. It was just a question of time. AA might very well add some capacity.
UnitedTristar From United States of America, joined May 2004, 1241 posts, RR: 4 Reply 18, posted (8 years 8 months 4 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 4681 times:
They only have one flight a day with the 757 or 320...I cannot remember which one...but either way they are super empty as is most of their flights out of MIA so in order to boost loads on their other flights to IAD ORD and DENthey need to cancel this flight. It makes since to me as a logical move. With the 757's going to PS and all those 737 and 767 being retired..... mainline aircraft seem to be at a premium...So if you can carry the same amount of passengers with less flights then why not. Its effective fleet planning!
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Miaskies From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 1335 posts, RR: 1 Reply 19, posted (8 years 8 months 4 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 4657 times:
Hmm wow that is going to leave MIA preety much a non UA airport! They are cutting down more and more on their flights.
As far as AA and what this means for this market, don't expect much...maybe more frequency. They already have 5 daily flights to LAX on 752's and 763's (all non stop) and 3 daily non stops to SFO on 752's and 763. I am taking the 820am 763 MIA-SFO on Friday Morning, I will post the trip report upon my return.
MAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 31118 posts, RR: 73 Reply 20, posted (8 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 4593 times:
The reason for the suspension is simple: UA has lost the business travelers to AA. AA offers tweleve daily non-stop flights between the Miami area and California. UA's two couldn't compete. And after stopping the LatAm flights, those premium cabins were probably gonig out empty. I'm sure AA is happy. They probably won't increase SFO service, but there are rumours LAX will be getting a tenth daily, from MIA (AA's winter schedule is supposed to come out Sunday). This does open the door for America West. MIA-LAX has long been rumoured as their next transcon.
It is sad to see how UA has just killed their presence at MIA. That Star Alliance terminal is just going to look even emptier now, and so is that the new Red Carpet Club.
Also, on the rumour block, United may be dropping LAX-MCO next, Though MCO-SFO will stay, as it is the only non-stop service in the market.
JoFMO From Germany, joined Jul 2004, 2211 posts, RR: 0 Reply 22, posted (8 years 8 months 4 weeks ago) and read 4516 times:
But a least their LAX flights are timed for connections with their south pacific network.
Abandoning MIA-LAX means they give up the whole market to OZ and NZ from Florida.
I have fears that their flights from MSY and DFW will not last much longer.
Mozart From Luxembourg, joined Aug 2003, 2014 posts, RR: 14 Reply 23, posted (8 years 8 months 4 weeks ago) and read 4497 times:
... and an additional thought: not only can UA route pax through DEN (although there are only 2 flights), there is also some significant presence by codeshare partner US Airways in SOuthern Florida, at MIA and more so at FLL.
Other than that, I agree that it makes my sad to see to what extent UA has had to reduce its presence at MIA.