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QF To India Starts Tomorrow!  
User currently offlineQantaspower From Australia, joined Aug 2002, 516 posts, RR: 7
Posted (9 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 5193 times:

Just letting people know that QF recommences flights to Mumbai from tomorrow with a non stop 743.

Does anybody know what the loads are like?


Also I guess this means only 1 x 743 is now in storage.

QFpower


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User currently offlineVimanav From India, joined Jul 2003, 1516 posts, RR: 14
Reply 1, posted (9 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 5163 times:

Does that mean we get to see 'Nalanji Dreaming' in BOM?

rgds//Vimanav



Sarfaroshi kii tamannaa ab hamaare dil mein hai, Dekhnaa hai zor kitnaa baazu-e-qaatil mein hai
User currently offlineQantasflyer From Australia, joined Mar 2004, 396 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (9 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 5108 times:

Thats great news, i totally forgot about that! QF offer a great product and will surely please its passengers on the route! Its great to see QF adding all these new destinations.

Regards Qantasflyer



Qantasflyer That's the spirit. The Spirit of Australia!
User currently offlineFlying-B773 From Singapore, joined Apr 2001, 390 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (9 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 5095 times:


Its good to hear that QF is starting Bombay Again.... but well, hope that QF can bring back the daily turn around to bom via sin again..... sin-india flights are so packed, and the more carriers the better..... and also need more QF aircrafts in singapore... miss the good old glory days in Sin... anyway how long will the flight time be syd-bom? and is only 1 aircraft required for the route?

have a great day..
regards,


User currently offlineQantaspower From Australia, joined Aug 2002, 516 posts, RR: 7
Reply 4, posted (9 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 5065 times:

Yes only 1 aircraft is required as it is 3 x weekly. However QF intend to increase to 5 x weekly in the medium term and hence 2 x 743's will be needed.



User currently offlineMalb777 From Australia, joined Jul 2004, 462 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (9 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 5062 times:

would be nice if QF could do SYD-BOM-LHR would make another interesting stopover on the way through


thank god i was not born a bird. this type of flying is much better
User currently offlineZKSUJ From New Zealand, joined May 2004, 7092 posts, RR: 12
Reply 6, posted (9 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 5024 times:

How long does the flight take to BOM?

User currently offlineQantasflyer From Australia, joined Mar 2004, 396 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (9 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 5024 times:

Doesnt the new service start on wednesday 1st september?

http://www.qantas.com.au/international/hk_eng/products/service_mumbai_shanghai.html



Qantasflyer That's the spirit. The Spirit of Australia!
User currently offlineBOEING787 From India, joined May 2004, 158 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (9 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 5004 times:

Sked eff. 01 SEP as per AMADEUS:

TN01SEPSYDBOM/AQF
** AMADEUS - TN ** BOM MUMBAI.IN 01SEP04 08SEP04
1 QF 123 5 SYD 1 BOM 2 0900 1630 0 03SEP04 03SEP04 743 12:00
2 QF 123 37 SYD 1 BOM 2 0900 1630 0 05SEP04 27OCT04 743 12:00



TN01SEPBOMSYD/AQF
** AMADEUS - TN ** SYD SYDNEY.AUNS 01SEP04 08SEP04
1 QF 124 357 BOM 2 SYD 1 1830 1015+1 0 05SEP04 29OCT04 743 11:15


User currently offlineBOEING787 From India, joined May 2004, 158 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (9 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 4994 times:

Here's wishing QF much success for the new flights and pray this resumption of BOM service clicks just in time for the busy summer tourist season in Australia!

I feel 4 or 5 weekly flights instead of 3 may just be a better option - at least till end Jan 2005.



User currently offlineHB-IWC From Indonesia, joined Sep 2000, 4502 posts, RR: 72
Reply 10, posted (9 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 4964 times:

The flight there looks to be filling up in front but wide open in the back, while the return flight is wide open in both classes:

SYD BOM 01/0900 01/1630 QF123 J5 D5 Y9 H9 K9 M9 L9 S9 V9 O9 Q9 N9 [743]
BOM SYD 01/1830 02/1015 QF124 J9 D9 Y9 H9 K9 M9 L9 S9 V9 O9 Q9 N9 [743]



User currently offlineFlying-B773 From Singapore, joined Apr 2001, 390 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (9 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 4922 times:


i dont think QF would start a route that is so thin that 3X weekly service cant fill their aircraft..... anyway, does anyone know how was the EX QF123/124 SYD-SIN-BOM loads? especially the the Sin-BOM sectors.. they used to have 743/742/747sp/763 on the route.... and how did the morning syd-sin fare?
any1?

thanxs and have a nice day
regards,


User currently offlineMrniji From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (9 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 4832 times:

would be nice if QF could do SYD-BOM-LHR would make another interesting stopover on the way through

I personally doubt Britain and India to be ready to grant 5th gen freedon rights to QF


User currently offlineGemuser From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 5629 posts, RR: 6
Reply 13, posted (9 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 4606 times:

Mrniji

Do you have reason to belive that QF has lost the fifth freedom rights India - Europe, that it has held for, at least, the last 40 years? Given that the OZ-India bilateral AFAIK has never been renegotiated it seems unlikley.


Gemuser




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User currently offlineGuyBetsy1 From Canada, joined Aug 2001, 840 posts, RR: 6
Reply 14, posted (9 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 4553 times:

There might not be enough traffic solely between SYD and BOM. An intermediate stop is required.. so even though SIN-BOM may not be feasible economically in the short term, it will generate loads and eventual revenue in the long term. Pity QF is too impatient there.

User currently offlineMrniji From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (9 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 4525 times:

Mrniji

Do you have reason to belive that QF has lost the fifth freedom rights India - Europe, that it has held for, at least, the last 40 years?


Apology... I was not aware of that


User currently offlineAussie747 From Australia, joined Aug 2003, 1163 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (9 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days ago) and read 4456 times:

There is plenty of demand for Australia to India flights, however in most cases economy yields are very low due the price sensitive passengers at this end of the market.
This is why they pulled out before, good loads poor yields. However this product is non stop now so it could be different.

When we had the product launch last week, we were told loads were quite encouraging overall and particularly good in Business class. Go figure (encouraging - airline speak for not too good could be better)

As the Agreements give 2100 seats per week in each direction to QF (all of available capacity) it means QF can go to 5 times weekly whenever. But due to this meager amount of capacity it leaves little scope to fly to DEL or out of MEL etc.



User currently offlineMrniji From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (9 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 3873 times:

I am particularly interested in the O&D between Perth and India, a route AI served some time ago.. does anyone have any ideas whether starting flights at PER is considered and would be economically?

User currently offlineZvezda From Lithuania, joined Aug 2004, 10511 posts, RR: 64
Reply 18, posted (9 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 3858 times:

It seems odd to me that an airline would choose 3x/week or 5x/week service in a B747-300 rather than daily service in a smaller aircraft. Is SYD-BOM within the range of an A330-200 or a B767-300ER? Obviously, an A340-500 or B777-200ER could serve this route. Of course, in this case QF has the B747-300s on hand with nothing much else to do.

User currently offlineDIJKKIJK From France, joined Jul 2003, 1791 posts, RR: 4
Reply 19, posted (9 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 3813 times:

I honestly feel that a better destination for QF in India is MAA and not BOM. The movement from South India to Australia is much more than that from the rest of India, particularly BOM. There's also a sizeable movement between CMB and Australia which QF can exploit better via MAA than via BOM.


Never argue with idiots. They will bring you down to their level, and beat you with experience.
User currently offlineJasepl From India, joined Jul 2004, 3582 posts, RR: 39
Reply 20, posted (9 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 3797 times:

Both QF and BA certainly do have full LHR-India-Australia rights (amongst others). Qantas could, in theory, operate a SYD-BOM-LHR run, but might run into problems because the bilateral governing their ops is restricted by capacity. BA, on the other hand, face a bilateral restricted by frequency and they've maxed out on that. In addition, and I'm not 100% sure of this, but doesn't the UK-Australia JSA require they share codes on all Kangaroo routes? If this were indeed the case, then both BA and QF overstep their bounds if either one wants to operate UK-India-Australia.

That said, if they do find ways around said problems and QF can start SYD-BOM-LHR, it would be great move for almost all parties. At the moment though, I believe you can buy a combined QF/BA ticket with a free India stopover for the same price as one involving a stop in SIN or BKK.


User currently offlineGemuser From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 5629 posts, RR: 6
Reply 21, posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 3556 times:

Zvezda:

QF is only allowed 5 flights per week under the bilateral treaty, so daily service is not on. As for aircraft, as you say they have the 743 on hand and they are owned, not leased and I assume fully depricated (but just refurbished) so they are a reasonable aircraft for this route which is likley to be high volume, but low yeild. The newer 763 & 332/333 aircraft can be kept for higher yeilding routes.

Jasepl:

The JSA is NOT between UK and Australia, but between QF & BA. So they can amend it at will. (Don't know about the UK end, but in Oz, it is subject to review by the anti-trust agency NOT aviation or foregin affairs)
IIRC in the JSA code shares are subject to regulatory approval, which in this case would not be forth comming, but I don't think that would mean the service could not go ahead.

Far more relevent is the lack of slots at LHR. QF has just got things in place for 4 daily services, so I dont think any more are immediately on the cards, so to do SYD-BOM-LHR would mean switching a flight away from SIN (2 daily), BKK or HKG (the new one), which does not seem reasonable from a yeild point of view.


Gemuser



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User currently offlineTexdravid From United States of America, joined May 2004, 1350 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 3436 times:

Wow, someone who thinks of MAA that highly to suggest a QF SYD-MAA flight!!

Man, you're cool!

That being said, I wouldn't hold my breath....




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User currently offlineAeri28 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 705 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 3404 times:

slightly off topic, but did anybody ever see that movie "Holy Smoke" with Kate Winslet? She plays an Australian girl who joins a cult in India and her mother from comes to try to rescue her and take her home. Well, the mother has quite a lot of problems in India cultural wise and eventually ends up getting very sick and hurt, so Kate decides to return her mother to Austrlia, As they are wheeling her mother to be airlifted back to Australia, the mother vows never to set foot in India again and just as they are bringing the stretcher into the rear door, the mother sees the Qantas Kangaroo tail and says 'Thank God it's Qantas!"

(this is not a personal jab on India, I myself love India, i'm just relating a snippet of a movie that came out a few years ago)

[Edited 2004-09-08 08:54:30]

User currently offlineUnited Airline From Hong Kong, joined Jan 2001, 9168 posts, RR: 15
Reply 24, posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 3387 times:

Oh it takes 12 hours to fly from SYD to BOM????

Wow perhaps the longest B 747 Classic route today?

How long does it take to get from Rome to Bangkok???? TG is flying this route with a B 747-300.


25 Nickofatlanta : United Airline: BKK-FCO is a lot shorter than SYD-BOM. BKK-FCO is a route of 5,490 miles whilst SYD-BOM is a route of 6,310 miles. If the figures were
26 PerthGloryFan : I am particularly interested in the O&D between Perth and India, a route AI served some time ago.. does anyone have any ideas whether starting flights
27 Post contains images Mrniji : Very nice, PerthGloryFan! Thanks
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