Flying-B773 From Singapore, joined Apr 2001, 390 posts, RR: 0 Reply 3, posted (9 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 4532 times:
Its good to hear that QF is starting Bombay Again.... but well, hope that QF can bring back the daily turn around to bom via sin again..... sin-india flights are so packed, and the more carriers the better..... and also need more QF aircrafts in singapore... miss the good old glory days in Sin... anyway how long will the flight time be syd-bom? and is only 1 aircraft required for the route?
Flying-B773 From Singapore, joined Apr 2001, 390 posts, RR: 0 Reply 11, posted (9 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 4359 times:
i dont think QF would start a route that is so thin that 3X weekly service cant fill their aircraft..... anyway, does anyone know how was the EX QF123/124 SYD-SIN-BOM loads? especially the the Sin-BOM sectors.. they used to have 743/742/747sp/763 on the route.... and how did the morning syd-sin fare?
Gemuser From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 5455 posts, RR: 6 Reply 13, posted (9 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 4043 times:
Do you have reason to belive that QF has lost the fifth freedom rights India - Europe, that it has held for, at least, the last 40 years? Given that the OZ-India bilateral AFAIK has never been renegotiated it seems unlikley.
GuyBetsy1 From Canada, joined Aug 2001, 836 posts, RR: 6 Reply 14, posted (9 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 3990 times:
There might not be enough traffic solely between SYD and BOM. An intermediate stop is required.. so even though SIN-BOM may not be feasible economically in the short term, it will generate loads and eventual revenue in the long term. Pity QF is too impatient there.
Aussie747 From Australia, joined Aug 2003, 1162 posts, RR: 0 Reply 16, posted (9 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 3893 times:
There is plenty of demand for Australia to India flights, however in most cases economy yields are very low due the price sensitive passengers at this end of the market.
This is why they pulled out before, good loads poor yields. However this product is non stop now so it could be different.
When we had the product launch last week, we were told loads were quite encouraging overall and particularly good in Business class. Go figure (encouraging - airline speak for not too good could be better)
As the Agreements give 2100 seats per week in each direction to QF (all of available capacity) it means QF can go to 5 times weekly whenever. But due to this meager amount of capacity it leaves little scope to fly to DEL or out of MEL etc.
Zvezda From Lithuania, joined Aug 2004, 10511 posts, RR: 65 Reply 18, posted (9 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 3295 times:
It seems odd to me that an airline would choose 3x/week or 5x/week service in a B747-300 rather than daily service in a smaller aircraft. Is SYD-BOM within the range of an A330-200 or a B767-300ER? Obviously, an A340-500 or B777-200ER could serve this route. Of course, in this case QF has the B747-300s on hand with nothing much else to do.
DIJKKIJK From France, joined Jul 2003, 1733 posts, RR: 5 Reply 19, posted (9 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 3250 times:
I honestly feel that a better destination for QF in India is MAA and not BOM. The movement from South India to Australia is much more than that from the rest of India, particularly BOM. There's also a sizeable movement between CMB and Australia which QF can exploit better via MAA than via BOM.
Never argue with idiots. They will bring you down to their level, and beat you with experience.
Jasepl From India, joined Jul 2004, 3582 posts, RR: 42 Reply 20, posted (9 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 3234 times:
Both QF and BA certainly do have full LHR-India-Australia rights (amongst others). Qantas could, in theory, operate a SYD-BOM-LHR run, but might run into problems because the bilateral governing their ops is restricted by capacity. BA, on the other hand, face a bilateral restricted by frequency and they've maxed out on that. In addition, and I'm not 100% sure of this, but doesn't the UK-Australia JSA require they share codes on all Kangaroo routes? If this were indeed the case, then both BA and QF overstep their bounds if either one wants to operate UK-India-Australia.
That said, if they do find ways around said problems and QF can start SYD-BOM-LHR, it would be great move for almost all parties. At the moment though, I believe you can buy a combined QF/BA ticket with a free India stopover for the same price as one involving a stop in SIN or BKK.
Gemuser From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 5455 posts, RR: 6 Reply 21, posted (9 years 3 months 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 2993 times:
QF is only allowed 5 flights per week under the bilateral treaty, so daily service is not on. As for aircraft, as you say they have the 743 on hand and they are owned, not leased and I assume fully depricated (but just refurbished) so they are a reasonable aircraft for this route which is likley to be high volume, but low yeild. The newer 763 & 332/333 aircraft can be kept for higher yeilding routes.
The JSA is NOT between UK and Australia, but between QF & BA. So they can amend it at will. (Don't know about the UK end, but in Oz, it is subject to review by the anti-trust agency NOT aviation or foregin affairs)
IIRC in the JSA code shares are subject to regulatory approval, which in this case would not be forth comming, but I don't think that would mean the service could not go ahead.
Far more relevent is the lack of slots at LHR. QF has just got things in place for 4 daily services, so I dont think any more are immediately on the cards, so to do SYD-BOM-LHR would mean switching a flight away from SIN (2 daily), BKK or HKG (the new one), which does not seem reasonable from a yeild point of view.
Aeri28 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 689 posts, RR: 0 Reply 23, posted (9 years 3 months 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 2841 times:
slightly off topic, but did anybody ever see that movie "Holy Smoke" with Kate Winslet? She plays an Australian girl who joins a cult in India and her mother from comes to try to rescue her and take her home. Well, the mother has quite a lot of problems in India cultural wise and eventually ends up getting very sick and hurt, so Kate decides to return her mother to Austrlia, As they are wheeling her mother to be airlifted back to Australia, the mother vows never to set foot in India again and just as they are bringing the stretcher into the rear door, the mother sees the Qantas Kangaroo tail and says 'Thank God it's Qantas!"
(this is not a personal jab on India, I myself love India, i'm just relating a snippet of a movie that came out a few years ago)