United plans daily 777-200ER service between San Francisco and Guangzhou via Tokyo starting 25 March 2005. After that, they propose upgrading the service to daily non-stop flights from San Francisco using 747-400s one year later.
United Airline From Hong Kong, joined Jan 2001, 8803 posts, RR: 17 Reply 7, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 3907 times:
What makes you think that way???
Well, there are different means of transports between Hong Kong and Guangzhou. Very efficient and very convenient and it takes no more than two hours to get from Hong Kong to Guangzhou by train/high speed ferries (which you can take them at HKIA).
UA already flies from ORD/SFO to HKG.
What worries me is...... is there a need for such a route?
Aviasian From Singapore, joined Jan 2001, 1453 posts, RR: 16 Reply 8, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 3780 times:
SFO to CAN via Narita certainly is far more attractive, everything else (fares and attractiveness of schedule) being equal.
It certainly beats changing to a different mode of transport (train / high-speed ferry).
Any right to serve a route linking a major US and a major Chinese gateway is valuable - and once obtained should be hung on to for dear life. It certainly is not something an airline look to milking for just a few years.
Ual777contrail From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 9, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 3664 times:
But when you are AA, you probably wont have it for life. They have such a small presence in china. Funny when people were comparing south American dominance by AA and slamming UA for their huge presence in Asia during SARS. Now it appears AA wants in on the Chinese experience.
ConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 10, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 3647 times:
Now it appears AA wants in on the Chinese experience
Perhaps you missed the virtual bloodfeud between AA and DL the last time rights to the PRC were up for grabs? Or AA conducting the first ETOPS207 commercial assessment test with N777AN, for the express purpose of facilitating PRC/HK flights?
Behramjee From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 4479 posts, RR: 43 Reply 12, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 3588 times:
UAL and NWA have 5th freedom pax-cargo rights on the JAPAN-CHINA-JAPAN route hence the new CAN route is routed via NRT and that too same aircraft.
UAL probably isnt too confident on CAN being able to fill up a B 777 on its own hence it thought that it would be best to fly via NRT which is a profitable route for UAL. The airline through its Star Alliance member ANA can hope to get quite a few Japanese and Chinese O&D pax flying NRT-CAN-NRT.
Its good to see that UAL is seizing upon potentially lucurative Intl flight opportunities and not increase frequencies on low yield domestic flights.
Also remember the main reason why a lot of UAL and NWA flights to other cities in ASIA are routed via JAPAN is because after World War 2, USA brokered a deal whereby its airlines would be allowed unlimited 5th freedom pax-cargo rights from any Japanese city to any Asian city but in return Japanese carriers cannot do the same on domestic routes and nor (I think) on US-CANADA-US routes...dunno 100% if JAL-ANA have 5th freedom rights on the US-CANADA-US and US-MEX-US routes.
B2443 From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 682 posts, RR: 0 Reply 14, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 3392 times:
it takes no more than two hours to get from Hong Kong to Guangzhou by train/high speed ferries (which you can take them at HKIA).
Try convince a mother with 2 kids with 4 suitcases, car seats, baby bags to transit thru HKG...not a chance. For people that live in HKG, commute between HKG and Guangzhou is such a no-brainer. But don't forget the bags, custom/immigration clearance if your are from other places.
What worries me is...... is there a need for such a route?
Given that the population in Guangzhou is far greater than in HK, yeah there is. It means they do not have to drag their suitcases thru Guangzhou railway station, clear immigration at Kowloon, then change to Airport Express...and you might have to arrive to HK the night before. Nothing against HK but no thanks.
I'll take any airline that gets me to my destination in the least time. I dumped NW for UA just because NW stops at NRT, while UA flies non-stop into China.
SW733 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 6105 posts, RR: 10 Reply 15, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 3358 times:
It's about time China is getting respect, with increased services to Beijing, Shanghai...now hopefully Guangzhou. Guangzhou is a great city, I was there for an overnighter about 6 years ago while visiting a friend in Hong Kong, and they definately deserve more international service! Only...it should be from ORD
Iowa744fan From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 928 posts, RR: 2 Reply 16, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 3324 times:
Since when has China not been getting respect? It is near the top of the list of airports/countries that many airlines around the world are trying to gain access to. The number of flights into China by US carriers has been so limited because they cannot secure the rights from China. If they were allowed, AA, CO, and DL would all jump at the opportunity to fly to China.
SW733 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 6105 posts, RR: 10 Reply 17, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 3270 times:
Oh, ok. I didn't know that. Sorry. I simply meant it as that they haven't always gotten the traffic that Japan or Hong Kong as gotten...I didn't know it was because of rights and stuff. I'm nowhere near as smart as most of the people on this site, and it was just a mistake.
UnitedTristar From United States of America, joined May 2004, 1251 posts, RR: 4 Reply 19, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 3183 times:
You didn't read the application at all did you? The reason they didn't apply before is because they didn't want a battle of airline vs airline like they did in DEN they wanted to be granted to one so they could just go in and take the other 7 slots there. The route can support a 777 no problem. Especially with the Air China code share! Plus, UA dose all their cargo with their passenger aircraft so the widebody makes since where as NW can ground transport their cargo to HKG and put it on the first freighter back to the states. It all makes perfect since but I guess working for NW you have nothing better to do then try to look down on superior carriers. Yea it doesn't seem so right when some one else is doing it to you, dose it? Grow up and watch the finances and try to keep up with the industry!
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MAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 31155 posts, RR: 76 Reply 23, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 3046 times:
I dont know that this is a route that can sustain a 777. Theres a reason NW is only flying a B752 in there.........
Northwest is using a 757-200 there becaue they can. They have 757s based in Tokyo. United has no narrowbodies in Tokyo, so they don't have a choice if they wanted to. There is no reason to believe a 777 can't be popular. China Southern operates 777s non-stop on LAX-CAN, and Air France and Lufthansa are among CAN's growing list of international airlines.