Sponsor Message:
Civil Aviation Forum
My Starred Topics | Profile | New Topic | Forum Index | Help | Search 
Lufthansa To Replace 733/735 Fleet  
User currently offlineBestWestern From Hong Kong, joined Sep 2000, 7264 posts, RR: 57
Posted (10 years 3 months 12 hours ago) and read 10345 times:

Lufthansa have announced that they are to start researching the replacement of their 737 classic operation, making a decision within two years

http://biz.yahoo.com/rc/040831/airlines_lufthansa_1.html

'The carrier has not yet decided to what extent or how quickly it will replace the aircraft. The carrier has 33 Boeing 737-300s and 25 Boeing 737-500s, according to its web site.'


'Lufthansa also plans to choose a single model for its regional fleet, the Financial Times Deutschland cited Lufthansa chief buyer Nico Buchholz as saying.'


The world is really getting smaller these days
76 replies: All unread, showing first 25:
 
User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12285 posts, RR: 18
Reply 1, posted (10 years 3 months 12 hours ago) and read 10237 times:
AIRLINERS.NET CREW
FORUM MODERATOR

My bets are on the A32X family as LH already operate the A32X family for their Regional operations.

User currently offlineTriStar500 From Germany, joined Nov 1999, 4695 posts, RR: 42
Reply 2, posted (10 years 3 months 12 hours ago) and read 10223 times:

Hmmm.. am I experiencing a deja vue or wasn't LH originally supposed to make a decision on the 733/735 replacement already this year as part of the (failed) Star Alliance order?

How many posts until somebody will mention they should order the 717, because it is such a beautiful aircraft? 10?  Big grin Big grin





Homer: Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true!
User currently offlineBestWestern From Hong Kong, joined Sep 2000, 7264 posts, RR: 57
Reply 3, posted (10 years 3 months 12 hours ago) and read 10189 times:

perhaps they should go for the 717, coz its a beautiful aircraft.  Smile

Failing that I see 50 A319's being ordered.



The world is really getting smaller these days
User currently offlineTriStar500 From Germany, joined Nov 1999, 4695 posts, RR: 42
Reply 4, posted (10 years 3 months 11 hours ago) and read 10160 times:

Seriously though, if LH is intending to replace

- B733
- B735
- AR85

with the same aircraft family, and with the FD728/928 out of the race (correct me if I am wrong re: the perspective of this aircraft family), I can see either the Embraer family (170/190/195) or the projected new Canadair regioliner coming out as the most likely winners.

I don't know, whether LH would take the risk and order an oddball airliner like the 717, when there is hardly any other operator of this type existing in Europe.


[Edited 2004-08-31 11:22:42]


Homer: Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true!
User currently offlineJGPH1A From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (10 years 3 months 11 hours ago) and read 10105 times:

I shouldn't be at all surprised if A319's and maybe even A318's are taken up for this. While fleet commonality isn't everything, it helps, and the fact that they are built in Germany can't hurt either.

User currently offlineTriStar500 From Germany, joined Nov 1999, 4695 posts, RR: 42
Reply 6, posted (10 years 3 months 11 hours ago) and read 10080 times:

With about 70+ aircraft to be replaced, I don't see fleet commonality as such a big factor anymore. And the A318/319 is definitely too big and too heavy for many of the short intra-German and European hops LH is operating nowadays with the B737 and ARJ.

But what do I know? Just doing some educated guessing...  Smile




Homer: Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true!
User currently offlineBestWestern From Hong Kong, joined Sep 2000, 7264 posts, RR: 57
Reply 7, posted (10 years 3 months 11 hours ago) and read 10044 times:

Would an ERJ170/190 be too small size wise as a 733 replacement?


The world is really getting smaller these days
User currently offlineBA380 From United Kingdom, joined May 2004, 1466 posts, RR: 8
Reply 8, posted (10 years 3 months 11 hours ago) and read 10034 times:

I can't see why the 319 is too big to replace 733s and 735s........ I can see them ordering 319s as 737 replacements and perhaps CR7s or CR9s for the regional a/c -- given they already have experience with the CRJ


cabin crew: doors to automatic and cross-check...
User currently offlineJGPH1A From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (10 years 3 months 11 hours ago) and read 10006 times:

A318/19 might be big for a ARJ replacement, but not for a 733/735 - they are approximately equivalent aircraft, aren't they ? I would think to replace the ARJ's they should get CR7 or CR9s operated by Cityline, and get the 318/319's for mainline.

User currently offlineTriStar500 From Germany, joined Nov 1999, 4695 posts, RR: 42
Reply 10, posted (10 years 3 months 11 hours ago) and read 10001 times:

@BA380

Actually that would make a lot of sense, too, although I remember to have read that LH was less than thrilled with the performance of the CRJ-900, which is probably "a stretch too far".



Homer: Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true!
User currently offlineGKirk From UK - Scotland, joined Jun 2000, 24961 posts, RR: 56
Reply 11, posted (10 years 3 months 11 hours ago) and read 9991 times:

I think a fleet of 20 A380s should be ok to replace the 737s  Laugh out loud
Talking about fleet replacements though, are NW ever gonna replace their DC-9s?  Laugh out loud  Laugh out loud



When you hear the noise of the Tartan Army Boys, we'll be coming down the road!
User currently offlineJGPH1A From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (10 years 3 months 11 hours ago) and read 9977 times:

Oooh - the Mods are going to unleash the dark forces of hell's deepest dungeon on you for even MENTIONING NW's DC9's (which should be replaced by A318's as any fule kno).

User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12285 posts, RR: 18
Reply 13, posted (10 years 3 months 11 hours ago) and read 9965 times:
AIRLINERS.NET CREW
FORUM MODERATOR

Would an ERJ170/190 be too small size wise as a 733 replacement?
It all depends on how many seats LH have in their B733s and B735 fleet and depends on how many seats LH would like to have in the replacement aircraft. LH could get the ERJ170/190 if they want to have greater frequences then they currently do on the routes the B733 and B735 fleet operate on now.

A318/19 might be big for a ARJ replacement, but not for a 733/735
The A318 would be a good B735 replacement due to basically the A318 seats around the same number of passengers as the B735 do. The A319 would be a good replacement for the B733 fleet as ita around the same size and has around the same number of seats.

GKirk........are NW ever gonna replace their DC-9s?
Now your asking for trouble......better get on your flame proof vest


User currently offlineGodBless From Sweden, joined Apr 2000, 2753 posts, RR: 16
Reply 14, posted (10 years 3 months 11 hours ago) and read 9934 times:

Maybe Lufthansa wants to surprise everybody here at a.net and order the 737NG to replace the 733/735. So much for an all-Airbus-fleet.  Big thumbs up

Seriously I think LH is in a little tough situation here as the A32S isn't the best plane for some domestic runs away from FRA and MUC (maybe also DUS?) and after all the Airbus is getting quite old too (years not technically).
And the other planes all seem to be "not to LH's delike".
Maybe they still would prefer the 728?

Max



User currently offlineTs-ior From Tunisia, joined Oct 2001, 3489 posts, RR: 6
Reply 15, posted (10 years 3 months 11 hours ago) and read 9923 times:


There was a time where LH was operating more than a hundred of B737s...and now only a fifty !!! Sad to see LH work horse disappearing from the air scene !!!

I don't think LH is in need for the A318, so ordering more A319s would be more accurate because it's between the 733 and the 735... 140<124<105...


User currently offlineFRAspotter From United States of America, joined May 2004, 2360 posts, RR: 9
Reply 16, posted (10 years 3 months 10 hours ago) and read 9905 times:

I would have to guess that they are either going to go for the A318/A319 family or the 737NG family.


"Drunk drivers run stop signs. Stoners wait for them to turn green."
User currently offlineZvezda From Lithuania, joined Aug 2004, 10511 posts, RR: 64
Reply 17, posted (10 years 3 months 10 hours ago) and read 9905 times:

With plenty of capacity at MUC and a 50% increase in capacity coming to FRA in several years, I think ERJ170/190/195 makes a lot of sense. I would certainly be happy about it because frequency is important to me.

I also expect some A318/319 to be included in the B737 replacement.

As for NW replacing their DC-9s, I'm not sure that, with air taxis coming, that any of the legacy US carriers will survive long enough to order new aircraft. I just don't see how they can survive once they lose all their high yield business travelers.


User currently offlineBestWestern From Hong Kong, joined Sep 2000, 7264 posts, RR: 57
Reply 18, posted (10 years 3 months 10 hours ago) and read 9880 times:

Personally, LH's 733 are in excellent condition, and dont need to be replaced IMHO. Perhaps they will go the way of the LH 732's and find a new home with a Dublin based carrier.

LH cant really go for increased frequencies, as MUC and FRA are remarkably slot restricted. DUS and HAM are less so, frequency growth may be possible here.






The world is really getting smaller these days
User currently offlineTriStar500 From Germany, joined Nov 1999, 4695 posts, RR: 42
Reply 19, posted (10 years 3 months 10 hours ago) and read 9858 times:

Just to add some notes regarding capacity restraints at German airports, all major German airports except for MUC are suffering from legal or technical capacity restrictions (e.g. TXL, DUS, FRA).
Even after extension of the FRA runway system, the additional capacity will be used up within a few years, so it makes a lot of sense to order equipment which is at least similar in capacity to today's fleet.

[Edited 2004-08-31 12:29:59]


Homer: Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true!
User currently offlineMauriceB From Netherlands, joined Aug 2004, 2490 posts, RR: 25
Reply 20, posted (10 years 3 months 10 hours ago) and read 9845 times:

think they will go for the Airbus family, because they only mentioned to replace the 737's but not the fairly old A320's in the fleet,wich some of them are older than the most 737's... so guess they want to have 1 aircraft familly during cost cuts...owh and don't forget that some 737's already left the fleet.

for the regional they will likely choose the CRJ family since it is fast, modern and already have a lot in the fleet. wouldn't make much sense to replace them wiht ERJ's.



greetings maurice



User currently offlineLeelaw From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (10 years 3 months 10 hours ago) and read 9824 times:

Despite its somewhat "checkered" sales history, isn't the 717 perfectly suited to fulfill the fleet requirement in terms of capacity, performance, and capability? Haven't FL and HA adequately proven it can do the job LH wants it to do? Despite the perception of the 717 being a "dog" in some quarters, Boeing has still managed to deliver 132 in five years. Additionally, in terms of political palatablility, aren't the engines manufactured in Germany?

User currently offlineDIJKKIJK From France, joined Jul 2003, 1818 posts, RR: 4
Reply 22, posted (10 years 3 months 10 hours ago) and read 9814 times:

I'm sure they will go in for a combination of A320/A319/A318.


and GKirk, it would be nice if NW replaced its DC9s with the B737s LH is getting rid of!

 Laugh out loud



Never argue with idiots. They will bring you down to their level, and beat you with experience.
User currently offlineBestWestern From Hong Kong, joined Sep 2000, 7264 posts, RR: 57
Reply 23, posted (10 years 3 months 10 hours ago) and read 9796 times:

There was an article in ATW not long ago about LH's older A320's.

Although some of the first off the production line, software enhancements have kept the aircraft as good as new cockpit management wise, with LH having no plans to replace these aircraft.

The article also mentioned that LH have suspended their rolling replacement plans for the A320 as they are happy with current performance of the older fleet, some of them performing as well as latest arrivals.

This is testimony to the fleet management at LH. No matter what LH aircraft i ever board the aircraft has a finish of a just delivered aircraft. Even their A300's are in perfect shape passenger cabin wise.

I rarely compliment LH, but they have an excellently maintained fleet.



The world is really getting smaller these days
User currently offlineGulfstreamGuy From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 646 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (10 years 3 months 10 hours ago) and read 9765 times:

That is too bad. It will be sad to see them go, especially D-ABXE. This was the only aircraft with my "name" on the side.  Big grin


View Large View Medium
Click here for bigger photo!

Photo © Andreas Müller
View Large View Medium
Click here for bigger photo!

Photo © Philipp Brumann



GulfstreamGuy



"If we couldn't laugh, we would all go insane. " -Jimmy Buffett
25 Mozart : Whatever they do, PLEASE NO MORE CRJ!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! From a passenger's point of view, these are the worst planes in the LH fleet (with the -
26 Andreas : Whatever they do, PLEASE NO MORE CRJ!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I fully support this motion!!!!! Never again, this aircraft has been built to accomodate
27 Post contains images TriStar500 : You guys are all wrong re: the CRJ effect. Actually it is not a means to squeeze (in the truest word sense) the maximum profit out of the customers, L
28 Zvezda : Few passengers will notice that a particular route is served by a CRJ or an ERJ and make their next choice of carriers accordingly. However, some pass
29 FraT : To everybody who bring the point of fleet commonality: LH has always stated that they don't want to rely on one manufacturer. So the fact that they op
30 Mozart : Zvezda, Few passengers will notice that a particular route is served by a CRJ or an ERJ and make their next choice of carriers accordingly. I absolute
31 Ndebele : @GulfstreamGuy: According to jp airline-fleets, D-ABXE has already left the fleet, being leased out to GOL where it is flying now as PR-GLC.
32 BestWestern : However the CRJ is perfect for thin feeder routes from MUC to cities such as TLS, MRS, BOD, etc, where three daily services allow hubbing without swam
33 JGPH1A : BW - nobody has a problem with using Regional Jets on thin routes requiring multiple daily frequencies - they have a problem with using Canadair CRJ 1
34 Starlionblue : What about all the blahablaha about LH only wanting planes with a sidestick? This always comes up when LH and the 7E7 is mentioned. If it is true, it
35 Post contains images UnitedTristar : Wasn't there some discussion about LH and the New Fokker 100. They were leaning toward that over the 717 due to the fact that some European airports c
36 Nudelhirsch : Why only sidestick? Sounds more like rumour, because profit is much wore value for LH than having those Joysticks... Also, still not completely buried
37 Post contains images Starlionblue : Why only sidestick? Sounds more like rumour, because profit is much wore value for LH than having those Joysticks... Hey, I read it in the A.nut forum
38 Maddy : "Why only sidestick? Sounds more like rumour, because profit is much wore value for LH than having those Joysticks..." Most Airbus planes have these s
39 Post contains images Starlionblue : Indeed, and the fact that the pilots can finally eat like human beings
40 TriStar500 : Most Airbus planes have these sidesticks so the pilots just need one qualification to fly on more than one aircraft. The airline can easily change the
41 Maddy : As far I know a pilot just needs one type rating to fly the A319,A320 and A321.(I´m not sure about the A318) To have all the three types in your flee
42 Post contains images LifelinerOne : Wasn't there some discussion about LH and the New Fokker 100. They were leaning toward that over the 717 due to the fact that some European airports c
43 Starlionblue : As far I know a pilot just needs one type rating to fly the A319,A320 and A321.(I´m not sure about the A318) To have all the three types in your flee
44 Maddy : I would never compare a A318 with the A380 but both have the sidestick and relatively the same cockpit.
45 Wdleiser : I would love for them to get the 736/7 series
46 Post contains images TriStar500 : Ok, before we totally go off-topic, here is some clarification for you Maddy: The side stick and the FMS coupled to it are one one (albeit major) fact
47 Maddy : TriStar500, what do you want to tell me? Am I wrong? The sidestick is just one item but I think a very important one.
48 Jumbopilot : I cannot imagine, that LH will give up its strategy of two fleets. All the pros and cons regarding other types and models are surely true. But I think
49 TriStar500 : @Maddy Exactly. But the way you were phrasing it in your previous posts made the impression that this would be the ONLY relevant item. [Edited 2004-08
50 Ua777222 : Flew a 735(?) from FRA to TXL and it was a very nice ride. A/c in great shape and the seats were pretty good. For some reason or another probably half
51 Tolosy : I would be surprised if they would not order Airbus 32S IMO, it is perfect for them.... Most of their domestic flights were perfect for 737... so the
52 Post contains images N774UA : Did someone already mentioned FokkerNG?? N774UA
53 Danny : No doubt they will order A318/319. All talks with Boeing and Embraer will have only one purpose - get better price on Buses.
54 Beechcraft : Maybe they´ll consider the EMB 170/190 and and will include Cityline in operating that fleet. I heard that CLH is thinking about stepping away from 5
55 Yyz717 : The 712/713X is an ideal replacement for the RJ85/733/735. The full size cabin will appeal to business travellers.
56 Craigy : Anyone know what training certification is required to step from 733 to 73G? The glass cockpit and enhanced systems look pretty different to me. Regar
57 Ba319-131 : I think the best choice would be ordering a mix of EMB170-190 family to replace the RJ85 and 735 fleet, with additional 319's as 733 replacements.
58 Zvezda : With fly-by-wire, there is no reason I can see why Boeing shouldn't offer the 7E7 with a choice of yoke or side-stick. It should even be possible to c
59 Gigneil : Also, this cross-qualification does not extend to the 330/340/380, although relatively minor extra training is required. Well, the 318-321 are all the
60 Starlionblue : Thx for the clarification Gigneil. I got the terminology mixed up.
61 Hz747300 : Danny wrote: No doubt they will order A318/319. All talks with Boeing and Embraer will have only one purpose - get better price on Buses. If Boeing re
62 Post contains images BREmer : I can see LH going for the A319 alone. We're just talking about a replacement for 733 and 735 here. RJs is another issue and will leave LH Cityline a
63 Fokker50 : I think they can replace those 733 and 735 for newer Rekkof, or some ex - AA Fokkers, for the domestic flights. And for European flights they can orde
64 ScottB : Actually, I can imagine one very important advantage of going for Embraers, CRJ's, or 717's instead of Airbus A320-family or Boeing 737-family aircraf
65 Sjoerd : They will go for the German made planes !
66 Thrust : This is old news. I had anticipated LH would replace their 737s with their newer Airbuses. The A318 could fill the 735's routes, and the A319 could pr
67 Antares : The Rekkofites have yet another chance to prove themselves having missed every single opportunity so far. They claim they were going to start making F
68 Post contains images Northwest717 : Has anyone else noticed that Rekkof is just Fokker spelled backwards? Just noticed that. I must be on the slow side this summer. Anyways, I hope LH bu
69 Post contains images Starlionblue : Yes we noticed . . .
70 Johnnybgoode : as much as i have been a 717 supporter in the past, for some reasons i do now think that it´s not that hot a contender for winning the prize. nor is
71 Post contains links Brons2 : And what's the point in buying 717s, with a range so short they'd struggle to fly out of Germany. The 717 has a 1430 nm range at standard weight and a
72 Antares : I was being sarcastic Brons2 although I liked flying in the 717 when it was in Impulse and Qantaslink colours down here. I'm not even going to try it
73 Kevin752 : I think that LH should replace the 737's with A319's. I will miss the B737 with LH but it is time for them to go and also LH is not keeping them up v
74 N1120a : The A318 will kill them on gas, since they are replacing short stage aircraft. I would not hold my breath on Boeing even building the 713, although LH
75 Post contains links AvObserver : A related AW&ST article http://www.aviationnow.com/avnow/news/channel_aviationdaily_story.jsp?id=news/luft08314.xml According to this, the 737 could b
76 Bmacleod : It would be logical for LH to go all Airbus since most of their fleet like AC is Airbus. It amazes me how closely LH's fleet resembles AC with the onl
Top Of Page
Forum Index

This topic is archived and can not be replied to any more.

Printer friendly format

Similar topics:More similar topics...
JetConnect To Replace 733's With 734's posted Thu Dec 1 2005 11:17:57 by NZ1
ITS Time For PIA To Replace Their Ageing Fleet posted Wed May 2 2001 18:48:01 by GF-A330
Bellview To Replace 737 Fleet With A320s posted Thu Jun 8 2006 16:10:33 by AsoRock
Flybe Plans To Replace Fleet posted Thu Jun 2 2005 18:12:47 by Squirrel83
Martinair To Replace 747 Fleet posted Tue Oct 19 2004 18:04:39 by MauriceB
Aerolineas To Replace Boeing Fleet posted Fri May 28 2004 15:38:42 by Squirrel83
PIA To Replace A300 Fleet posted Tue Sep 17 2002 19:12:09 by Airmale
737NG To Surpass Success Of 733-735? posted Sun May 20 2001 16:30:46 by 767-332ER
Lufthansa To Announce Longhaul-order Part 2 posted Fri Nov 17 2006 10:44:20 by Johnny
Lufthansa To Announce Longhaul-order! posted Thu Nov 16 2006 18:52:17 by Johnny