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Is USAir Waiting For Castro's Demise?  
User currently offlinePilotcoex From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (10 years 3 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 5533 times:

According to the USAToday(money section,08/31); US Airways is hoping to be the first US airline to offer services to Cuba from its newest hub (FLL) after Castro's demise. While jumpsitting to work, I have also encountered a few college students flying to Havana via MEX on Mexicana. I am not sure if they get some type of special permit to do this, or its legal as long as you get there via Mexico or Canada. This is 2004, not 1963, there should be direct service to Cuba from the US. Many of you don't have any interest in seeing Cuba, but many of us do.

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User currently offlineTjwgrr From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 2444 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (10 years 3 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 5426 times:

"US Airways is hoping to be the first US airline to offer services to Cuba...... ......This is 2004, not 1963, there should be direct service to Cuba from the US"

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User currently offlineFlaps From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 1278 posts, RR: 4
Reply 2, posted (10 years 3 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 5389 times:

I think Castro will far outlast USAirways.

User currently offlineLuv2fly From United States of America, joined May 2003, 12110 posts, RR: 48
Reply 3, posted (10 years 3 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 5386 times:
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Flaps I agree though I believe all the carriers are waiting for the demise of Castro to make a move to Cuba. I think at first Cuba will be hot though like anything it will fade and flights will be cut.


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User currently offlineMiamiair From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (10 years 3 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 5342 times:

Castro will probably out-live all of us...
But as posted above, unfortunately, USAir's future is as bright as a burnt light bulb.

As to operations to Cuba, remember the regime might stay in the family. brother Raul, which is a ding bat by any standards will hopefully not last long.


User currently offlinePlanespotting From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 3527 posts, RR: 5
Reply 5, posted (10 years 3 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 5262 times:

Castro has been dead since the Bay of Pigs Invasion  Big grin


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User currently offlinePilotcoex From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (10 years 3 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 5197 times:

I am aware this is airliners, not politics.net. But I do believe Cuba has a lot potential once he is gone.

User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (10 years 3 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 5090 times:

Many of you don't have any interest in seeing Cuba, but many of us do.

...so go see it then; it's not that difficult to do.





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add New York (Kennedy, not Liberty!) to that as well.


User currently offlinePeteinmiami From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 270 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (10 years 3 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 5007 times:

Castro is a great leader. The highest literacy rate in the world practically, good health care. When he finally passes away, which will be a tragic day, his brother Raul, or one of his children, if he has any, will take over for him. The US still having a bone to pick with him is ridiculous, but then again, it is a good thing, Cuba is still unique, with the US interference, it may be like another Cancun.

-Copa

I respect your opinion but I totally disagree!! I am Cuban, lived there for 31 years, it is truth that not everything is bad down there, but I encourage you to go to Cuba and try to live like 99% of Cuban population lives, from outside it looks to pretty. Do you know that in a country that shouts out loud the wonders of their medical services a person with a heart attack had to be taken into a hospital on a bike because there was not rescue service or that daily activities are not possible if you don't have family outside the country that send you dollars or that security in a hotel tells you that you have to walk on the other side of the street just because you are Cuban? And those are not stories I heard, all of them had happened to me or to relatives that still live there. Cuba is a wonderful country, nice and warm, but don't tell me that Fidel is nice, because you haven't been there!!!!! You have no idea how hopeless is people lives there. So again go there and live like a Cuban just for a week, no dollars, no hotels, no rent- a car, and them talk!!!


User currently offlineTrident2e From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (10 years 3 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 4999 times:

Miamiair - you said....

"As to operations to Cuba, remember the regime might stay in the family. brother Raul, which is a ding bat by any standards will hopefully not last long"

Now coming from an American that really is a case of the kettle calling the pot black.


User currently offlineBobnwa From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 6476 posts, RR: 9
Reply 10, posted (10 years 3 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 4982 times:

Peteinmiami,

Pete, compare the conditions in Cuba to Haiti. US carriers fly to Haiti, why not Cuba?


User currently offlineJetjack74 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 7410 posts, RR: 50
Reply 11, posted (10 years 3 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 4938 times:
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Copa, the US will not allow N/S service to Cuba because it is against the USPolicy against Cuba until Castro steps down or when Castro is deposed. Many Cuban-Americans in Miami support that theory and feel it should be enforced.


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User currently offlinePeteinmiami From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 270 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (10 years 3 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 4933 times:

Bobnwa

I totally agree with you, I think one of the reasons Castro is still there is because of the embargo, he has a very strong reason to shift the blame for everything that hapens in Cuba on the embargo. I am against the embargo and against the travel restrictions. Why do I have to way three years to go and see my mother or be an outlaw and go thru Cancun? Why a goverment has to force me to do that?


User currently offlineJetjack74 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 7410 posts, RR: 50
Reply 13, posted (10 years 3 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 4906 times:
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Castro is not in power because of the embargo. He's in power because he's a communist. Communist rule does not allow elections. In a communist government you are in power basically until you die or until he decides to step down. Castro won't step down because he's a narcistic big-head who is love with his ego. If he was strong leader, he would allow free elections and let the people decide who should run the country. Then you would see a mad rush of US-based carriers chomping at the bit to get into HAV.


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User currently offlineStearmanNut From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 352 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (10 years 3 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 4836 times:

You can fly into Cuba from the Bahamas, Mexico, or any of the surrounding islands except P.R.. Cubana Air or Mexicana has flights into Havana from Cancun. Avg cost is bout 180 to 350 bucks depending on how the ticket agent feels.(kinda reminds me of negotiating for tickets with Middle Eastern Airways long ago...)

You can provide your US passport at the Cuban POE. They be glad to stamp a separate blank sheet of paper inserted in your passport. Once you leave Cuba, you may do whatever you please with the paper. I usually mailed mine back to home, rather than keep it on me to avoid problems should INS or customs search my bags on entry back into the US.

You may not legally use your credit cards in Cuba unless they are issued by a bank outside the US. Like banks in Canada or Bahamas, Bermuda, or the Cayman Islands. Take cash, mostly in small bills as US dollars are prized there. Use a money belt. Pickpockets exist here too, much as they always have. ALso, you may buy travelers checks in Mexico. Hotels are generally great and on on a par with Mexico hotels.

Rememeber to keep an open mind when going to Cuba. Put all of your preconceived notions aside while there.



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User currently offlineMariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25281 posts, RR: 85
Reply 15, posted (10 years 3 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 4811 times:
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I think US Airways would be in a long line of airlines applying for permission for flights to Cuba.

Doesn't the prize go to UAL? Don't they already have - dormant - authority to fly from Florida (FLL and MIA) to Cuba?

I believe they bought those rights from Pan Am.

cheers

mariner



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User currently offlineStearmanNut From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 352 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (10 years 3 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 4771 times:

Those old PanAm rights are no good because of the US embargo.

The embargo is what has kept Castro in power all these last 43 years. Had we continued trade with Cuba, the communistas would have been absorbed into the woodwork long after the Russians had backed off. Castro would be nothing today had we continued trade with the Cuban people. It's easier to buy them out than to try to starve them into oblivion.



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User currently offlineCopaair737 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (10 years 3 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 4685 times:

Actually, Pete, ive been to Cuba. Great country. Great leader. I am half-colombian. But the thing is, all the ex-refugees who moved to miami despise castro, but the ones that are still there love him. he is a god like figure to them. I saw that first hand. Whats the problem with Communism anyway? The way I see it, the ex-refugees had their money taken away by Castro and Co., which was a smart move in my opinion. But, I respect your views on it. Im not bashing anyone, just stating my opinion.

-copa


User currently offlineTrident2e From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (10 years 3 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 4670 times:

Jetjack74 - you demonstrate a complete lack of understanding of the political situation in Cuba, typical of an American brainwashed by an ultra-right wing government. I have worked in Cuba several times, in the aviation industry, and I can assure you that every Cuban I came across believes Castro is a great leader. Given that Castro came to power as the result of a coup it makes sense that if there was significant resistance to his leadership he too would have been overthrown.

And remember that there are many people who think America's idea of democracy falls far short of what might be called ideal.


User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32789 posts, RR: 72
Reply 19, posted (10 years 3 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 4633 times:

I think US Airways would be in a long line of airlines applying for permission for flights to Cuba.

Doesn't the prize go to UAL? Don't they already have - dormant - authority to fly from Florida (FLL and MIA) to Cuba?


American Airlines and Continental would probably get first dibs. They offer more service to more Cuban destinations than any other US airlines. United only flies MIA-HAV.

But the thing is, all the ex-refugees who moved to miami despise castro, but the ones that are still there love him. he is a god like figure to them. I saw that first hand.

That is just ridiculous. That is not true at all. I have family there, I've visited. They hate it, and would just love to leave, but they can't just pack up and move.

That's not to say there aren't people who love him. There certainly are, but just because somebody still lives in Cuba doesn't mean they love him. It many cases, it just means they can't find a way to leave.

With that being said, I do believe the US needs to stop being so arrogant and just let Cuba run themselves whichever way they wish to be ran, communist, socialist, whatever. Cuba is a beautiful place, and it is unfortunate most Americans will never be able to see how beautiful it is.




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User currently offlineMariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25281 posts, RR: 85
Reply 20, posted (10 years 3 weeks 1 day ago) and read 4561 times:
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StearmanNut:

i am aware of the embargo, and, as I said, the old Pan Am rights are dormant.

However, they are rights that UAL possesses, and, when the embargo is eventually lifted, they presumably become current again.

Just as many Miami Cubans will try to claim their old property in Cuba once Castro dies/leaves/goes.

Similarly, DAL has some permanent rights to flights to Mexico which they got when they aqcuired Western.

DAL does not use (all) those rights, but they are still valid - Delta could use them.

cheers

mariner



aeternum nauta
User currently offlinePilotcoex From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (10 years 3 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 4364 times:

I heard from a passenger that CO offers charters to Havana during the holidays only. The tickets are expensive and hard to get. Not sure about AE going there.

User currently offlineJetjack74 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 7410 posts, RR: 50
Reply 22, posted (10 years 3 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 4199 times:
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Ok Trident2e thinks he's the spokesperson for Cuba. Well let me break his argument down and we'll see who is brainwashed

"Jetjack74 - you demonstrate a complete lack of understanding of the political situation in Cuba, typical of an American brainwashed by an ultra-right wing government."

Hrmmm Ultra-right wing. Like you would know what that is. It is you that has little no concept of political structure. The US government is far from ultra-right wing, it is centrist.

" I have worked in Cuba several times, in the aviation industry, and I can assure you that every Cuban I came across believes Castro is a great leader."

I'm sure that huge mural of Castro on everystreet corner has something to do with such love this esteemed leader. I've been to Cuba as well and many of the people I know here and in Cuba do not like him. They would love to have him gone. I question whether you have actually been there, but i'm willing to give you the benefit of the doubt.

"Given that Castro came to power as the result of a coup it makes sense that if there was significant resistance to his leadership he too would have been overthrown."

But really, popular leaders are elected not forced upon by a few power-hungry thugs. Cuba is a socialist police-state. And i'm sure the Iranians love their leaders as well

"And remember that there are many people who think America's idea of democracy falls far short of what might be called ideal."

Oh and how right you are, They are called communists, facists. Some of those people sympathize for Saddam Hussein.

In closing, I am from a nation that was raped by Apartied. Living. and growing up in South Africa was no picnic. Being white, anglo/saxon made no difference, we were still harassed. Wise up sir, Cuba would gladly trade there political situation for what we have here in th US. Thank you



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User currently offlineBill142 From Australia, joined Aug 2004, 8451 posts, RR: 8
Reply 23, posted (10 years 3 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 4085 times:

He's in power because he's a communist

Castro is a dictator. Communism is a type of goverenment system, just like democracy.

Personally, my opinions are, Castro will outlast US Airways so they might as well not bother eyeing Cuba off. The trade embargo on Cuba has gone on far to long and its limiting the ability of Cuba expanding its economy and also stop US Based carriers from tapping a potential market without having to go via Canada or Mexico.


User currently offlineSmcmac32msn From United States of America, joined May 2004, 2211 posts, RR: 4
Reply 24, posted (10 years 3 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 4032 times:

I have worked in Cuba several times, in the aviation industry, and I can assure you that every Cuban I came across believes Castro is a great leader.

Hmm...... why do we hear of 30 Cubans on a ship built for 7 found in the Florida Straits every other day? Probably (Not "THEY ARE") because they want to get away from Castro and his facist regime.

US Airways is hoping to be the first US airline to offer services to Cuba from its newest hub (FLL) after Castro's demise.

US has a lot bigger problems than flying to Cuba. Maybe if they weren't on life-support and people wondering if your going to die in the next week or so, then they could actually look at this. Maybe they should try to figure out how to stay afloat before worrying about when Castro is going to croak.



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25 Jetjack74 : Bill142, The opposing idea to Communism is Capitalism. Communism and dictator go hand in hand. It makes no difference. This idea that Castro is some k
26 Caymanair : Castro is a great leader. I have been to Cuba many times, and can say that many people adore him, while others do not. But the reason is that the econ
27 Dtwclipper : Well Fidel Outlasted Pan Am National Braniff international Delta C&S and Eastern to name just a few, I suspect he will even outlast little old US Airw
28 Bill142 : jetjack74: your right, I had a bit of a memory blank at the time.
29 Jetjack74 : Well my intent was not to spread my political views, but I have refute an argument when fact are distorted. I don't mean you Bill, but some of the oth
30 Myszek : I lived under communist rules for twenty something years. It wasn't as bad as Cuba, still... So my opinion is: 1. Castro can outlive any airline (eith
31 Post contains images N751PR : I'm sure Castro could even Southwest...
32 MAH4546 : heard from a passenger that CO offers charters to Havana during the holidays only. CO offers year-round service from Miami to Havana, Camaguey and Ci
33 Post contains links and images ILSApproach : Just what USAir needs to be thinking about at this time! No wonder they are in the position they are in. I hope paint is around for awhile: View Large
34 Trident2e : Jetjack74 - your responses to my post simply reinforce my point that you have no understanding of global politics. But coming from a country where the
35 MEA-707 : Jetjack74 - and reinforcing your point by telling you grew up in South Africa isn't convincing either, even if you only spoke English and not Afrikaan
36 Jcded : of course people in cuba say that castro is a great leader, those who dont are jailed. 18 March 2003 26 independent journalists and 49 dissidents were
37 Greaser : So US waits for castro's casket while ignore they're own problems...what a great recovery...time to go US
38 GMUAirbusA320 : Miamiair - you said.... "As to operations to Cuba, remember the regime might stay in the family. brother Raul, which is a ding bat by any standards wi
39 Jetjack74 : English and not Afrikaans, every white person over 8 there knew how to spell "apartheid" (not apartied). MEA-707, Sorry if I offended the motherland,
40 Trident2e : Jetjack74 - thanks for the compliments, my intellect gets recognition at last. You really shouldn't have.
41 XXXX10 : Sorry did I miss a page Castro would welcome any US airline to Havana current scheduled flights are banned not by the Cubans but by the US embargo. He
42 Jetjack74 : Well Trident2e, considering your talking points thrown in my direction, your quest for self validation for recognition of intellect.........., it's no
43 NWAskyteam : Actually, Castro is waiting for USAirways demise.
44 Jetjack74 : Pretty much the case.
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