KEESJE From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Posted (11 years 9 months 7 hours ago) and read 8251 times:
7E7 rival comes to Northwest. Airbus A330-200 rolled out for show in Portland. PORTLAND -- The Airbus jet that will be the chief challenger to Boeing's 7E7 entered service here yesterday for the first time with a U.S. customer.
Northwest Airlines is using the A330-200 for non-stop daily operations between Portland and Tokyo. The planes replace older Northwest DC-10s that have been used on that route since June. San Francisco and then Seattle will be next to get the twin-engine Airbus plane. http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/business/189010_airbusjet02.html
But now this, Boeing is using this introduction as 7E7 promotion!
Todd Blecher, a Boeing spokesman, said the introduction of the rival Airbus is part of a new era in air travel that will feature smaller, more fuel-efficient planes that can provide international service to smaller airports or markets, such as Portland. Blecher said Boeing already has orders for its new 7E7 line, with the first delivery expected in 2008. The new Boeing aircraft will compete with the Airbus model for long-range flights. "They will provide airlines a tool to open city pairs like Portland and Tokyo, or any number of city pairs around the world, by bringing the range and efficiency to smaller airplanes that had only been found on larger airplanes," Blecher said. http://www.tribnet.com/business/story/5498138p-5436120c.html
Seems odd & opportunistic way of promotion but does he have a point ?
777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12976 posts, RR: 15
Reply 1, posted (11 years 9 months 7 hours ago) and read 8125 times:
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I think the Boeing person does have a point as the B7E7 will open up long haul markets for smaller airport. B7E7 customers will be able to offer their customers point to point services instead of going throu a major hub.
N79969 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (11 years 9 months 6 hours ago) and read 8073 times:
I think this makes sense. In its marketing Airbus likes to argue that its 4-engined A340-series are more appropriate for long-haul flying than the 2-engined B777. Airbus argued against the B777 getting an extenstion of up 207-minutes in the North Pacific. But now a 2-engined Airbus is being used for an ETOPS operation that involves flying across the North Pacific. You don't hear much of the "4-engines-4-long haul" out of Airbus right now.
The use of the relatively small A330 actually bolsters Boeing's idea of fragmentation. The A330 is an excellent airplane because its excellent range/payload performance on long-thin routes. The kind of routes which Boeing is targeting for the 7E7 and to a lesser extent the 772ER.
N79969 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (11 years 9 months 1 hour ago) and read 7549 times:
Under the Airbus hub-to-hub theory, a passenger would fly from PDX to LAX/SFO to board an A380 bound for Tokyo.
Under the fragmentation line of thinking, consumers prefer direct flights from origin to destination. The use of an A330 between Tokyo (a hub) and a Portland (a secondary city) supports Boeing's view of the future.
Radelow From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 426 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (11 years 9 months ago) and read 7360 times:
What I think this shows is that there will be a place for BOTH. There will *always* be a need for a large aircraft moving from congested big airport to congested big airport. The 7E7 at the same time will be moving people from small city to big city. I think it will end up being a good mix. I think the 7E7 will particularly shine in the very dense countries of Asia where there are many large cities with no necessary a huge amount of traffic moving between... Just my $0.02.
Airbazar From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 9890 posts, RR: 10
Reply 9, posted (11 years 9 months ago) and read 7333 times:
Funny thing about the hub-to-hub comments is that neither LAX nor SFO are a hub to any airline that will be flying the A380 to those airports. So there goes that theory. In fact, except for LH, no airline that has ordered the A380 has more than one hub.
The A380 will be used between major airports that have certain limitation when it comes to increasing frequency of flights, regardless of whether it is a hub or not.
MSPXJGuy From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 150 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (11 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 6320 times:
I doubt NW bought the 7E7 but Im sure they're paying close attention to it. It would work well with their Asia network. They could very easily throw a 7E7 from point to point service from their North American hubs and rely less on NRT. I don't know if this will happen or not. NW is in love with their hub model but lately they have been straying a little bit with setting up focus cities in MKE, IND, and GRR
Whitehatter From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (11 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 6270 times:
To get back on track...
what the Boeing guy is saying is that the A330 is in the same general sector that the 7E7 is aimed at. Therefore the 7E7 is justified by the routes and capacity already in service, and presumably Boeing's product will be able to match and surpass the economics of the A330.
So the 7E7 isn't just a speculative design; it's based on sound economics and existing movements in the airline industry.
N1120a From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 29373 posts, RR: 73
Reply 18, posted (11 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 5342 times:
Well, LAX and SFO are hubs for UA, LH's STAR partner. What airbus means by hub to hub flying is PAX connecting from domestic flights (with whoever) to international flights (with whoever) in major cities with very busy airports
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Carpethead From Japan, joined Aug 2004, 3049 posts, RR: 3
Reply 22, posted (11 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 3500 times:
What the 332 & 7E7 do in Asia will allow large-hub to medium-size cities in Europe & N.America. In Asia, each country with the exception of China is dominated by one large city. Singapore-Singapore, Tokyo-Japan, Seoul-S.Korea, etc. Even China, int'l services are currently dominated by Beijing & Shanghai. The demographics in Europe and US are not concentrated in one city so the 767-sized airplane ruled from the mid-80s on. Both Boeing's 7E7 and Airbus A380 will be market hits come 2015.
If someone is unhappy with NW's 332 service out of SEA to NRT then use the UA's 777 flight. UA will be more than happy to have their business.