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Differences Between JAL & JALways?  
User currently offlineCOEWR2587 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 607 posts, RR: 2
Posted (10 years 2 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 4136 times:

Can anyone describe the differenced between JAL & JALways? Are the routes different? Different types of aircrafts and services? I don't know that much w/ Asian airlines.


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User currently offlineBH346 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 3265 posts, RR: 14
Reply 1, posted (10 years 2 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 4104 times:

JALways does low-yield tourist markets like Guam, Hawaii, Australia, etc from Japan. They have older planes from JAL like the 747 classics and the DC-10. Their aircraft are usually configured in a high-density configuration and the service is a step below regular JAL service (from what I hear).


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User currently offlineCarpethead From Japan, joined Aug 2004, 2956 posts, RR: 3
Reply 2, posted (10 years 2 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 4058 times:

As BH346 mentioned, Jalways flies the low-yield, Japan-to-vacationing destinations. Jalways flies older equipment (interesting to see what replaces the DC-10s as they are to be retired next fiscal year).
Service is tailored to the vacationer, so I wouldn't call it a step below.

Also Jalways is manned primarily by foreigners. It usually has American or Aussie pilots and Thai cabin crew but the chief of the cabin staff is Japanese. Pay for Japanese is high so having it manned by foreigners makes the labor operating costs lower thereby making these vacationing routes better for the balance-book according to JAL group.


User currently offlineAA2MM From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 119 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (10 years 2 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 3994 times:

I have flown Jalways 6 or 7 times between NRT-BKK...YES , all the cockpit crews were lilly white and cabin crews were mostly Thai , with a few Japanese
FAs mixed in..
Seats were old and tight ...no PTVs with AVOD , like on JAL , they call it Magic
Something...meal services , to me , in Y and C , were just as good as JAL...
In Y : always hot towels , drinks with nuts and rice crackers..your typical tray meals , with wines offered ( individual fifths offered )...and upon arrival in BKK...ice cream bars...From BKK , I always take the overnite flight : hot towel..drinks with nuts and rice crackers , and upon arrival in NRT..hot congee
breakfast with condiments , soba , fruits and roll...
I have flown my shares of FC , C and Y on different airlines...I am very impressed with Jalways inflight services...They made rounds and rounds offering hot green tea , hot black tea , coffee and water after serving the meals in Y....For me , by the time I get to NRT , I was already dead tired..
a quick eat and I'd doze off ...Comparing to a TG 8AM flight I took from BKK
to NRT..boy , they were way ahead , no comparisons at all...TG was so bad , and the flight was completely empty : the "senior " Thai FAs basically did not give a hoot about pax..no smile , no extra personal efforts made at all..it was all so visible and felt !!!
I don't know who would staff the cabin crews for flights from NRT to Guam, HNL or any other destinations you would call "touristy"....


User currently offlineHa763 From United States of America, joined Jan 2003, 3660 posts, RR: 5
Reply 4, posted (10 years 2 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 3969 times:
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JALways only has scheduled flights with JO flight numbers to Honolulu, Guam, and Saipan. They have a pilot base in HNL, with foreign pilots, most from the US/Canada. FAs are from Thailand, and I believe are based in Thailand, hence some JL flights to BKK operated by JO. The service is usually 1-class service using a 2-class configured aircraft.

The DC-10 will most likely be replaced by 767s and/or 777s. 767s will start to fly extra sections to HNL in October. 777s start in December. The last DC-10 flight to HNL is scheduled for December. JO58/57 is a DC-10, so something will have to replace it.


User currently offlineCOEWR2587 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 607 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (10 years 2 weeks 6 days ago) and read 3875 times:

What I was confused about is, both JAL, and JALways both have flight from HNL-NRT. Is one flight better than the other?


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User currently offlineNdebelebev From Sudan, joined Apr 2004, 877 posts, RR: 44
Reply 6, posted (10 years 2 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 3862 times:

Hello

I'm flying KIX-BNE on Oct 15th. The flight number is JL777 so will this be a regular JAL flight or one operated by JALways?

If its JALways I might get a Reso'cha 747  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

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User currently offlineHa763 From United States of America, joined Jan 2003, 3660 posts, RR: 5
Reply 7, posted (10 years 2 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 3781 times:
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Actually, there are only JL flights between NRT and HNL. However, only 1 NRT-HNL flight is crewed by JAL pilots and FAs, JL72/71. This is also the only JAL 3-class service and scheduled JAL 747-400. The rest are operated by JO crews and are 2-class flight or sometimes 1-class service.

You can easily find out who is operating a JAL flight by checking their schedule. It will say under the flight segment who is operating the flight.


User currently offlineBeachthing From United States of America, joined May 2004, 71 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (10 years 2 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 3770 times:

Going by what I see at HNL often, JALways passengers are flying in their pajamas and shower shoes and JAL passengers are flying in public clothing.

 Smile


User currently offlineAA2MM From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 119 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (10 years 2 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 3771 times:

I just checked in Amadeus :
JO76 NRT HNL has Y only on a 747 ( 200 ? )
JO74 NRT HNL has CnY on a 747 (300 ? (
JL72 NRT HNL has FCY on a 744

JO941 NRT GUM ( Guam ) CY 743 ?
JO981 NRT GUM Y 767

JO947 NRT SPN ( Saipan ) Y 742 ?

JO727 KIX BKK CY DC10

There are 2 JO flts NRT BKK with CY on the 743
1 JAL flight NRT BKK with FCY on a 744
Return : there is only 1 JO and 1 JAL flt...CY on the 743 and FCY on the 744

Hope this helps a little


User currently offlineHa763 From United States of America, joined Jan 2003, 3660 posts, RR: 5
Reply 10, posted (10 years 2 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 3732 times:
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Amadeus has the carrier code wrong. Flights 76, 74, and 727 are JAL flights and should have the JL carrier code not JO. It should instead have a notation that the flight is operated by JO.

The only true JO flights are:
JO58/57 FUK-HNL (operated by JAL Intl)
JO84/83 NGO-HNL
JO947/948 NRT-SPN (operated by JAL Intl)
JO949/940 KIX-SPN (operated by JAL Intl)
JO941/942 NRT-GUM (operated by JAL Intl)
JO981/982 NRT-GUM (operated by JAL Intl)
JO945/946 NGO-GUM (operated by JAL Intl)
JO043/944 KIX-GUM

As you can see, only 2 JALways flights are actually flown using JALways crews. The crew pay issue is not why JALways was brought about. If it was, more JALways flights would use JALways crews. JALways is more about the level of service and type of service provided. It is usually 1-class service (occasionally 2-class) with a more vacation/holiday environment. FAs use various pastel color uniforms (never saw a whole FA crew with the same color) and inflight service materials follow the same vacation/holiday theme. They play Bingo, the FAs take pictures of pax, etc.

http://www.jalways.co.jp

JALways started off as a charter division in JAL as Japan Air Charter (JAZ). The first JAZ flight was FUK-HNL in July 1991. In 1999, Japan Air Charter was spun off so that it could provide scheduled flight service and was renamed into JALways.


User currently offlineHnl-Jack From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 819 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (10 years 2 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 3677 times:

I've flown both JALWays and JAL between HNL and NRT many times. Service on both is excellent. The major difference is the type of aircraft and seating. All the JAL flights I've flown are three class 744's with suites in F/C, the most comfortable Business Class seating I've ever experienced and coach seats that have PTV's. However, the best deal going is JALWays on the 742. The airplane is sold as all coach, but is a two class configuration. If your travel agent is smart, they can get you up front in seats that are comparable to U.S. domestic First Class. Have done that for as reasonable as $375 round trip.


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User currently offlineCessna172RG From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 749 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (10 years 2 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 3671 times:

Jalways Reso'cha pilots are hired by IASCO, for those who didn't know, which is a big source of non-Japanese pilots.

As for Jalways flights, they offer certain perks in flight, such as special kids meals, toys, and stuff. I have some students of mine who went there in August and they came back with all kinds of stuff that they got on the plane.

So, from what I have heard, Jalways offers a bit more of a service perk than standard JAL flights.



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