As739x From United States of America, joined Apr 2003, 5929 posts, RR: 22 Reply 1, posted (9 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 4907 times:
I am going to guess ANA to use the 7E7 on some inter-asia routes. Possibly use it to open some new N. American destinations. Las Vegas/Denver maybe? ANA's will have no First Class, so it won't be at SFO/LAX/IAD/JFK/ORD.
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Whitehatter From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 2, posted (9 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 4890 times:
The current buyers are NZ, ANA, Blue Panorama, and First Choice.. as the latter 2 are charter providers (I think...), where is NZ and ANA going to deploy their 7E7?
Anywhere those carriers currently fly their 767s to, and probably some more which are enabled by the 7E7's superior performance.
FCA's Carribbean destinations will probably benefit from the added range and payload, and routes headed east are a possibility.
From Japan there is the possibility of developing the long and thin routes that a 777 is too much plane for, and the 767 not as flexible. Secondary destinations in Europe would be one area to consider.
UNITED777300 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 131 posts, RR: 1 Reply 3, posted (9 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 4787 times:
NH's 7E8's will mostly be used on long thin routes, to cities like DEN, MAN, ZRH, plus intra-Asia routes. And the 7E8 could also possibly be their return to Oz. While on the other hand their 7E3's will be used almost exclusively as a 767 replacement on the domestic Japanese routes.
Ramerinianair From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 1486 posts, RR: 0 Reply 5, posted (9 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 4762 times:
Basically I was under the impressions that the 7E7 was going to be very economical and offer the range of larger A/C with out the mass. I figure that a smaller plane with a longer range will allow the airlines to offer routes to Europe from the smaller cities in America.
I figure that they can offer flights like this:
also flights like:
PDX/OAK/SFO/SAN/DEN/PHX/SEA TO KOA/ITO
DfwRevolution From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 851 posts, RR: 51 Reply 6, posted (9 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 4645 times:
I won't be holding my breath for NRT-DEN service anytime soon.
That's actually a very likely route.... UA has many domestic connections out of DEN and NH are Star Alliance partners. The 7E7-8 is not a huge aircraft to fill either... only about 210 seats if they are configured like the 763ER....
I think the 7E7 will help big inland hubs that currently have huge domestic connections but relativly few international flights. DFW and DEN in particular, I could see AA opening up some new routes via the 7E7.... (once they get the money )
ANA's will have no First Class, so it won't be at SFO/LAX/IAD/JFK/ORD.
Definitly not... these city pairs are large enough to use a 772ER
Spacecadet From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 3365 posts, RR: 13 Reply 7, posted (9 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 4573 times:
I won't be holding my breath for NRT-DEN service anytime soon.
That's actually a very likely route....
Not for ANA it isn't. Is there some big pent-up demand in Japan for travel to Denver that I don't know about? ANA's customer base is about 90% Japanese (even when flying routes like JFK-NRT), so it doesn't make sense for them to fly anywhere that's not a major Japanese destination. It would make sense for them to code-share on a US airline's flight if one exists (and maybe they already do this), but I can't ever seen them filling up a 7E7 on this route in either direction. Unless, they're very sophisticated about travel (or they have no other choice), Americans just don't fly ANA, even though they should.
I wouldn't ever expect to see an ANA 7E8 outside of the Asia-Pacific region or perhaps to cities like Vancouver or San Francisco where there is actually just enough travel demand in Japan to make it worthwhile. LAX, JFK, etc. will still get 747's because there's actually more demand there than they can even satisfy right now.
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MAS747 From Malaysia, joined Mar 2004, 88 posts, RR: 2 Reply 12, posted (9 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 4392 times:
MH could probably use it on thinner routes that they have, routes that dont fully utilise a 744. Im guess maybe the flights to south america... but i have no idea about the sort of loads you get on those flights
Keesje From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 13, posted (9 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 4304 times:
Just a question: Will the 7e7-8 be like an Airbus A340-200? It will be able to take the same amount of pax with similar range ( long-range)
oh, oh, Deltawings that a very unfavourable comparison for the folks around here .. sh.t .p ! %!$#$!
IMO the Pan Blue & Fist Choice leisure airlines would not change their destination if they replace their aircraft. They probably got a very good deal to do so, but won´t change their travel packages bacause of it...
Same goes for ANA IMO, as far as replacing their 767´s .. you don´t stop a service because you bought a new aircraft...
DfwRevolution From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 851 posts, RR: 51 Reply 15, posted (9 years 3 months 1 week 1 day ago) and read 3812 times:
......Just a question: Will the 7e7-8 be like an Airbus A340-200? It will be able to take the same amount of pax with similar range ( long-range)
The 7E7-8 is actually much smaller than the A342... remember it is a direct 1:1 767-300ER replacement. ASAIK, the 7E7 should have longer range, and a better Z-chart which will hopefully mean it can carry more cargo. The A342 was a little ahead of its time... but the 7E7-8 can always fall back on direct 763ER replacement if ULH point-to-point is a flop
DeltaWings From Switzerland, joined Aug 2004, 1289 posts, RR: 18 Reply 20, posted (9 years 3 months 1 week 20 hours ago) and read 3123 times:
The 7E7-8 is actually much smaller than the A342... remember it is a direct 1:1 767-300ER replacement.
Hmm. The width of the 767-300 is 4.7m, while the length is 54.9m
The width of the 7e7- 8 is 5.7m, while the length is 56m.
With that extra length and it beeing 1 m wider than the 763 it cant possibly be a 763 1:1 replacement. The 7e7-8 can , will, take more passengers. I would say the 7e7-8 would be more kind of a 767-400ER 1:1 replacement.
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UA772IAD From Australia, joined Jul 2004, 1693 posts, RR: 3 Reply 24, posted (9 years 3 months 1 week 16 hours ago) and read 2331 times:
It seems that a lot of people are thinking it will replace 767 routes.... here's a question (or 2):
1) Why replace the 767 when it is still a good, efficient, aircraft that is still being made by Boeing?
2) Why is the 767 inflexible?
25 Whitehatter: 1) Why replace the 767 when it is still a good, efficient, aircraft that is still being made by Boeing? 2) Why is the 767 inflexible? 1. If that was g
26 DfwRevolution: If the 7'E'7 is suppose to be "Efficient' I wouldn't be surprise if they put them on the same routes as the '77s, Are they? The 7E7 might replace a fe
27 MAH4546: For ANA, the 7E7 is perfect for opening new routes to Tokyo to cities that can't really fill a daily 777 profitablly...in the US you are looking at Bo
28 N1120a: It remains to be seen if the A380 will be able to fly as far as airbus claims. Since we go by the design performance, the 7E7 is supposed to fly at .
29 Carpethead: Now some people have ambitious dreams about NH flying to Europe & N. American but this is only valid if the shorter runway at NRT gets lengthened. Oth
30 JoFMO: Capethead, just 2 comments: Japanese population is decreasing, but on the other hand I guess the number of wealthy retires is still increasing, isn't
31 UnitedTristar: For NRT I was thinking BOS PHL YUL MCO DEN LAS MEX CLT For KIX I was thinking LAX JFK MCO PHL IMO I think PHL is the great untapped resource for Asia.