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7E7 Llikely Routes  
User currently offlineERJ170 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 6729 posts, RR: 18
Posted (9 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 5195 times:

Since there is discussion on the "Big Bird" (A380), I was just wondering which new P2P routes would the new 7E7 open up..

The current buyers are NZ, ANA, Blue Panorama, and First Choice.. as the latter 2 are charter providers (I think...), where is NZ and ANA going to deploy their 7E7?


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User currently offlineAs739x From United States of America, joined Apr 2003, 5997 posts, RR: 24
Reply 1, posted (9 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 5072 times:

I am going to guess ANA to use the 7E7 on some inter-asia routes. Possibly use it to open some new N. American destinations. Las Vegas/Denver maybe? ANA's will have no First Class, so it won't be at SFO/LAX/IAD/JFK/ORD.

ASSFO



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User currently offlineWhitehatter From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (9 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 5055 times:

The current buyers are NZ, ANA, Blue Panorama, and First Choice.. as the latter 2 are charter providers (I think...), where is NZ and ANA going to deploy their 7E7?

Anywhere those carriers currently fly their 767s to, and probably some more which are enabled by the 7E7's superior performance.

FCA's Carribbean destinations will probably benefit from the added range and payload, and routes headed east are a possibility.

From Japan there is the possibility of developing the long and thin routes that a 777 is too much plane for, and the 767 not as flexible. Secondary destinations in Europe would be one area to consider.

[Edited 2004-09-05 02:43:52]

User currently offlineUNITED777300 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 131 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (9 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 4952 times:

NH's 7E8's will mostly be used on long thin routes, to cities like DEN, MAN, ZRH, plus intra-Asia routes. And the 7E8 could also possibly be their return to Oz. While on the other hand their 7E3's will be used almost exclusively as a 767 replacement on the domestic Japanese routes.


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User currently offlineDLKAPA From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (9 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 4935 times:

I won't be holding my breath for NRT-DEN service anytime soon.

User currently offlineRamerinianair From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 1486 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (9 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 4927 times:

Basically I was under the impressions that the 7E7 was going to be very economical and offer the range of larger A/C with out the mass. I figure that a smaller plane with a longer range will allow the airlines to offer routes to Europe from the smaller cities in America.
I figure that they can offer flights like this:
RDU-CDG
BNA-AMS
IAD-OSL
also flights like:
PDX/OAK/SFO/SAN/DEN/PHX/SEA TO KOA/ITO
SR



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User currently offlineDfwRevolution From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 912 posts, RR: 51
Reply 6, posted (9 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 4810 times:

I won't be holding my breath for NRT-DEN service anytime soon.

That's actually a very likely route.... UA has many domestic connections out of DEN and NH are Star Alliance partners. The 7E7-8 is not a huge aircraft to fill either... only about 210 seats if they are configured like the 763ER....

I think the 7E7 will help big inland hubs that currently have huge domestic connections but relativly few international flights. DFW and DEN in particular, I could see AA opening up some new routes via the 7E7.... (once they get the money  Big grin )

ANA's will have no First Class, so it won't be at SFO/LAX/IAD/JFK/ORD.

Definitly not... these city pairs are large enough to use a 772ER


User currently offlineSpacecadet From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 3517 posts, RR: 12
Reply 7, posted (9 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 4738 times:

I won't be holding my breath for NRT-DEN service anytime soon.

That's actually a very likely route....


Not for ANA it isn't. Is there some big pent-up demand in Japan for travel to Denver that I don't know about? ANA's customer base is about 90% Japanese (even when flying routes like JFK-NRT), so it doesn't make sense for them to fly anywhere that's not a major Japanese destination. It would make sense for them to code-share on a US airline's flight if one exists (and maybe they already do this), but I can't ever seen them filling up a 7E7 on this route in either direction. Unless, they're very sophisticated about travel (or they have no other choice), Americans just don't fly ANA, even though they should.

I wouldn't ever expect to see an ANA 7E8 outside of the Asia-Pacific region or perhaps to cities like Vancouver or San Francisco where there is actually just enough travel demand in Japan to make it worthwhile. LAX, JFK, etc. will still get 747's because there's actually more demand there than they can even satisfy right now.



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User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 11846 posts, RR: 18
Reply 8, posted (9 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 4696 times:
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NZ on some of their B763ER routes also on possible new routes.

User currently offlineZKSUJ From New Zealand, joined May 2004, 7073 posts, RR: 12
Reply 9, posted (9 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 4675 times:

For NZ, probably somewhere in the vicinity of AKL-SIN or AKL-KIX. I believe that a few new routes will open up as well. Maybe BKK or DPS or KUL (hope to see NZ there soon again)

User currently offlineGLAGAZ From UK - Scotland, joined Feb 2004, 1982 posts, RR: 11
Reply 10, posted (9 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 4638 times:

I think FCA would use their 7E7's for tx services from MAN and GLA etc, leaving their 767's to expand their operations.


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User currently offlineDeltaWings From Switzerland, joined Aug 2004, 1294 posts, RR: 17
Reply 11, posted (9 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 4592 times:

......Just a question: Will the 7e7-8 be like an Airbus A340-200? It will be able to take the same amount of pax with similar range ( long-range)

DeltaWings



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User currently offlineMAS747 From Malaysia, joined Mar 2004, 88 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (9 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 4557 times:

MH could probably use it on thinner routes that they have, routes that dont fully utilise a 744. Im guess maybe the flights to south america... but i have no idea about the sort of loads you get on those flights

User currently offlineKeesje From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (9 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 4469 times:

Just a question: Will the 7e7-8 be like an Airbus A340-200? It will be able to take the same amount of pax with similar range ( long-range)

oh, oh, Deltawings that a very unfavourable comparison for the folks around here .. sh.t .p ! %!$#$!  Smile


IMO the Pan Blue & Fist Choice leisure airlines would not change their destination if they replace their aircraft. They probably got a very good deal to do so, but won´t change their travel packages bacause of it...

Same goes for ANA IMO, as far as replacing their 767´s .. you don´t stop a service because you bought a new aircraft...


User currently offlineGKirk From UK - Scotland, joined Jun 2000, 24811 posts, RR: 56
Reply 14, posted (9 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day ago) and read 4310 times:

I think I read somewhere on here that Crosswind said the FCA 7E7s will be used predominiatly on long haul flights


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User currently offlineDfwRevolution From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 912 posts, RR: 51
Reply 15, posted (9 years 7 months 2 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 3977 times:

......Just a question: Will the 7e7-8 be like an Airbus A340-200? It will be able to take the same amount of pax with similar range ( long-range)

Teehee Keesje  Big grin

The 7E7-8 is actually much smaller than the A342... remember it is a direct 1:1 767-300ER replacement. ASAIK, the 7E7 should have longer range, and a better Z-chart which will hopefully mean it can carry more cargo. The A342 was a little ahead of its time... but the 7E7-8 can always fall back on direct 763ER replacement if ULH point-to-point is a flop


User currently offlineZvezda From Lithuania, joined Aug 2004, 10511 posts, RR: 64
Reply 16, posted (9 years 7 months 2 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 3599 times:

The 7E7-9 will be almost exactly the size of the A340-200, however the former will have much greater range and lower operating costs.

User currently offlineN1120a From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26196 posts, RR: 76
Reply 17, posted (9 years 7 months 2 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 3543 times:

The 7E7 will also be much faster and have better performance than the 342 and 343.


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User currently offlineIowa744fan From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 929 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (9 years 7 months 2 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 3494 times:

Well, it has been mentioned before that opening Asian routes to Boston might be an option. As has been discussed, there is a large amount of local traffic for the route.

User currently offlineSolnabo From Sweden, joined Jan 2008, 847 posts, RR: 2
Reply 19, posted (9 years 7 months 2 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 3342 times:

"7e7 will also be much faster/better performance than 342/343"

That´s remain to be seen!!!

Micke/SE  Big grin



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User currently offlineDeltaWings From Switzerland, joined Aug 2004, 1294 posts, RR: 17
Reply 20, posted (9 years 7 months 2 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 3288 times:

DfwRevolution wrote:
The 7E7-8 is actually much smaller than the A342... remember it is a direct 1:1 767-300ER replacement.

Hmm. The width of the 767-300 is 4.7m, while the length is 54.9m
The width of the 7e7- 8 is 5.7m, while the length is 56m.

With that extra length and it beeing 1 m wider than the 763 it cant possibly be a 763 1:1 replacement. The 7e7-8 can , will, take more passengers. I would say the 7e7-8 would be more kind of a 767-400ER 1:1 replacement.

Regards

DeltaWings



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User currently offlineVSXA380X800 From United Kingdom, joined May 2004, 421 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (9 years 7 months 2 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 3260 times:

If the 7'E'7 is suppose to be "Efficient' I wouldn't be surprise if they put them on the same routes as the '77s, Are they?


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User currently offlineDKF1 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 4 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (9 years 7 months 2 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 3029 times:

ANA/Air Japan currently flies a 767 to HNL from NRT, so I wouldn't be surprised to see the 7E7 used on that route.

User currently offlineEddieDude From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 7523 posts, RR: 43
Reply 23, posted (9 years 7 months 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 2948 times:

Once more carriers start getting their 7E7's, do you think there will be a chance that someone will decide to fly a 7E7 to MEX?


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User currently offlineUA772IAD From Australia, joined Jul 2004, 1698 posts, RR: 3
Reply 24, posted (9 years 7 months 2 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 2496 times:

It seems that a lot of people are thinking it will replace 767 routes.... here's a question (or 2):
1) Why replace the 767 when it is still a good, efficient, aircraft that is still being made by Boeing?

2) Why is the 767 inflexible?

Just wondering...


25 Whitehatter : 1) Why replace the 767 when it is still a good, efficient, aircraft that is still being made by Boeing? 2) Why is the 767 inflexible? 1. If that was g
26 DfwRevolution : If the 7'E'7 is suppose to be "Efficient' I wouldn't be surprise if they put them on the same routes as the '77s, Are they? The 7E7 might replace a fe
27 MAH4546 : For ANA, the 7E7 is perfect for opening new routes to Tokyo to cities that can't really fill a daily 777 profitablly...in the US you are looking at Bo
28 N1120a : It remains to be seen if the A380 will be able to fly as far as airbus claims. Since we go by the design performance, the 7E7 is supposed to fly at .
29 Carpethead : Now some people have ambitious dreams about NH flying to Europe & N. American but this is only valid if the shorter runway at NRT gets lengthened. Oth
30 JoFMO : Capethead, just 2 comments: Japanese population is decreasing, but on the other hand I guess the number of wealthy retires is still increasing, isn't
31 Post contains images UnitedTristar : For NRT I was thinking BOS PHL YUL MCO DEN LAS MEX CLT For KIX I was thinking LAX JFK MCO PHL IMO I think PHL is the great untapped resource for Asia.
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