N317AS From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Posted (10 years 8 months 3 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 2397 times:
I was photographing at BFI today and up above in the SEA flight pattern was a Southern Air 747. I have never heard of, or seen this airline before. The reg was either N704SA or N7045A. I ran both regs in the FAA database. One is a Cessna, the other doesn't exist. I'll try and throw a pic up of it later. Kind of off white (at least in our weather) with Southern Air across the top, and a big SA on the tail. I found nothing in the a.net database. Thanks for any info.
DB777 From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 885 posts, RR: 41
Reply 6, posted (10 years 8 months 3 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 2347 times:
The current airline is Southern Air, Inc. The one based in Miami, and at the old Rickenbacker AFB near Columbus, Ohio, toward the end of their existance, was Southern Air Transport (SAT). Southern Air, Inc. acquired SAT in 1999.
You should not find pics of the current Southern Air company aircraft if you put Southern Air Transport in the airline search field because it's a different company entirely. Photogs have to manually enter Southern Air in the airline field since there is no Southern Air in the pull down menu.
Those are 747-200 SUD's, not -300's. They look like 300's but they're not.
[Edited 2004-09-05 03:58:04]
Photographing aircraft since the Earth was flat and on Airliners.net since #338
Maybe it was N751SA with titles added? In the photo you supplied they look like GE engines and according to the caption in the photo above, N751SA wasn't going to fly until August 2004, so maybe they gave her some new paint?
N317AS From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (10 years 8 months 3 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 2233 times:
I want to apologize to everyone who wasted their time with this post. I got a little backwards. I went back and looked at one of my other shots of it. It is really N740SA and it is registered to a company in Conn. Again sorry for the wasted time. But thanks for the info on Southern Air.
SATL382G From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (10 years 8 months 3 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 2218 times:
Over the years Southern Air has been associated with covert ops and or ops
for which plausible deniability would be beneficial. They ran ops in South Vietnam (see the SAT pix in the database) and more recently were involved in South American ugliness between the Contras & Sandinistas.
You may recall back in '86 a civilian C123 was shot down at low level down in South America near the above mentioned ugliness. Had a 3 man crew -- pilot, copilot, and kicker. Pilot and Co-pilot were killed. Kicker was blown out the open cargo door and opened his chute. He was captured and was in possession of a Southern Air employee ID card. Name of Hassenfuss (sp?) as I recall.
As I recall the relationship between SAT and the agency came out in the open and Congress order the agency involved to divest itself of Southern Air. The agency did and Southern Air has been in and out business several times since. The theory I've heard is that the agency now encourages the rebirth of Southern Air to generate controversy and thereby divert attention from its airlift operations elsewhere.
It got so bad that when a Southern Air L382G (civilian C-130) crashed at Kelly AFB in Oct of '86 a Congressional representative from Texas accused the crashed airplane and crew of running guns to South America. In fact the aircraft was on a regular logistics run for the USAF and was not leaving the country. The crew were acquaintances of mine and I was waiting the arrival of the flight at their last stop (in the CONUS). A bad day all around.
They were flying with a new co-pilot that day who was unfamiliar with company procedures. Airplane had a control lock around the base of the co-pilots control column. Control lock was supposed to be stowed for takeoff, but got left lying on the floor. Once the engines were advanced for takeoff the control lock vibrated back into position. They rotated as normal but could not stop the nose from climbing. Flight Engineer immediately knew what had happened. He climbed over the co-pilot and reached between the co-pilots legs to grab the lock and pulled it out. Per the CVR the F/E said "I've got it!!" and then co-pilot said "we're dead..". Mind you the F/E had to unbuckle his harness, climb over the co-pilot, and grab the lock while the airplane was in an extremely nose high attitude, a real feat of heroic gymnastics if you ask me.
Airplane stalled, rolled inverted to the left, and crashed between 2 hangars at Kelly AFB.