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Near Collision Over MAN!  
User currently offlineBMI701EGCC From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2004, 162 posts, RR: 0
Posted (9 years 11 months 3 hours ago) and read 3815 times:

Hi Guys,

Info: I live about 10 miles from MAN, In Atherton(Northwest of MAN). From my bedroom window I can see Aircraft capturing to Localizer for 24L/R, Also I can see Aircaft leaving the Rosun hold. Cant wait till I get my first ever proper camera, The images I could captures are unreal!

Now to the sighting:-

Tonight (05/09/04) around 10.00pm local time I witnessed two aircraft, As what can only be described as a near collision over Atherton. No1 Aircraft had just left the ROSUN hold, about 10 miles from capturing the localizer 24R, And No2 aircraft had just took off from 24R flying in a northwest direction. It must of been a near collision because No2 Aircraft had to change direction to miss No1 Aircaft. Interesting!


All your comments a welcome.


Scott Waterworth
BMI701EGCC


G-PATI-"G-PATI, Back inbound to Barton"MCT APR-"G-PATI, Continue, Keep lookout on VFR traffic"
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User currently offlineDemoose From Canada, joined Mar 2001, 1952 posts, RR: 23
Reply 1, posted (9 years 11 months 3 hours ago) and read 3768 times:

Hard to really comment on what you saw, my guess is that it wasn't anything serious just an aircraft changing course to avoid other traffic, doesn't sound major. I live right under ROSUN hold, the arrival and departure proceedures for MAN must be pretty well known and adhered to, situations like that probably happen all the time in busy skies.

Mark



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User currently offlineBMI701EGCC From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2004, 162 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (9 years 11 months 2 hours ago) and read 3720 times:

Hi Sir,

What town do you live in?







Scott Waterworth
BMI701EGCC



G-PATI-"G-PATI, Back inbound to Barton"MCT APR-"G-PATI, Continue, Keep lookout on VFR traffic"
User currently offlineDemoose From Canada, joined Mar 2001, 1952 posts, RR: 23
Reply 3, posted (9 years 11 months 2 hours ago) and read 3684 times:

Hi,
I live near Bolton.

Mark



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User currently offlineJetset7E7 From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2004, 1090 posts, RR: 15
Reply 4, posted (9 years 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 3346 times:

Near Collision???? *Cough* Bull$hit *Cough*

Mark



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User currently offlineCatatonic From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2004, 1155 posts, RR: 3
Reply 5, posted (9 years 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 3247 times:

I live near hindley!!! named after myra hindley i think?!?!?? anyway, the traffic over here is kind of weird what with wigan being in between LPL and MAN. just an oservation...

[Edited 2004-09-06 21:26:11]


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User currently offlineDiesel1 From UK - Wales, joined Mar 2001, 1637 posts, RR: 11
Reply 6, posted (9 years 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 3130 times:

Catatonic... what kind of comment is this meant to be?

I live near hindley!!! named after myra hindley i think?!?!??



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User currently offlineCatatonic From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2004, 1155 posts, RR: 3
Reply 7, posted (9 years 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 2981 times:

Catatonic... what kind of comment is this meant to be?

What buisness is it of yours to comment on my comment?



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User currently offlineBENNETT123 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2004, 7475 posts, RR: 3
Reply 8, posted (9 years 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 2947 times:

Catatonic.

Why would your town be named after her, and in what way is traffic in your location wierd.


User currently offlineGKirk From UK - Scotland, joined Jun 2000, 24913 posts, RR: 56
Reply 9, posted (9 years 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 2943 times:

And what business is it of yours to comment on Diesel1's comment?


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User currently offlineVonRichtofen From Canada, joined Nov 2000, 4627 posts, RR: 36
Reply 10, posted (9 years 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 2939 times:

What business is it of yours to question his question?


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User currently offlineBENNETT123 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2004, 7475 posts, RR: 3
Reply 11, posted (9 years 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 2920 times:

Please can someone clarify the reason that the town of Hindley got it's name, so that this thread can some going arround in circles.

User currently offlineCatatonic From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2004, 1155 posts, RR: 3
Reply 12, posted (9 years 10 months 4 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 2855 times:

Why would your town be named after her, and in what way is traffic in your location wierd.

1. cos the name Royston Vasey was already taken

2. Cos theres low flying light aircraft from nearby airfields, traffic from liverpool and traffic for manchester all flying low and seem to be quite close



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User currently offlineDiesel1 From UK - Wales, joined Mar 2001, 1637 posts, RR: 11
Reply 13, posted (9 years 10 months 4 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 2835 times:

Catatonic

Let me help you.

You've said something very, very stupid - suggested that an area of Wigan was named after a woman who (with Ian Brady) was perhaps the most notorious child murderer of the 20th century in the UK.

That a town would be named in this way is obviously as ridiculous a comment as you are likely to read here, or anywhere else.

So, what was your comment meant to be: A poor attempt at humour? Irony ? Sarcasm ? Ill researched local history ?

I look forward to your answer.

(For anyone who wants to know more about Myra Hindley, this link to the BBC gives more details http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/452614.stm)



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User currently offlineTristar100 From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2004, 309 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (9 years 10 months 4 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 2752 times:

I live in Horwich, no idea what it is named after? Any ideas?

Aircraft at peak times can get busy overhead, they often appear alot closer together from the ground, but they are still safe.

Diesel1,

Had your reply yet?

Steve.


User currently offlineWing From Turkey, joined Oct 2000, 1559 posts, RR: 24
Reply 15, posted (9 years 10 months 4 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 2604 times:

BMI701EGCC,

From my experience after piloting commercial airline airplanes for the last few years I can say confidently that what you see from outside may not always be what actually it is.Even from the cabin its not possible to understand whats happening most of the times.

And if we add it was night time when you witnessed which it will make it very difficult(and tricky) to see exactly how much difference between two aircraft.I think the only accurate answer would be given by the pilots of those two aircraft.Other than that any comment will be just "wild guesses".I also have to add that there have been a number of reasons to abort an approach.A climbing aircraft in 10 NM should be way to high than an aircraft at 10 NM on an approach.There are SID's(standart instrument departures) generally that the departing aircraft follows and SID's shouldn't bring departing and arriving aircraft into collision courses.

I guess I did make a lot of wild guesses"  Smile Have fun.WING



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User currently offlineGKirk From UK - Scotland, joined Jun 2000, 24913 posts, RR: 56
Reply 16, posted (9 years 10 months 4 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 2584 times:

"It must of been a near collision because No2 Aircraft had to change direction to miss No1 Aircaft."

Or he was just following ATC orders?  Big grin



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User currently offlineBrettbrett21 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2004, 436 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (9 years 10 months 4 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 2350 times:

Near Collision???? *Cough* Bull$hit *Cough*

That was pretty unneeded Jetset7E7. Maybe just a misjudement no need to jump at his throat.



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User currently offlineJetset7E7 From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2004, 1090 posts, RR: 15
Reply 18, posted (9 years 10 months 4 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 2318 times:

Pussy Footing are we Brettbrett21??????

Mark



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User currently offlineLondoncenter From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2004, 108 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (9 years 10 months 4 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 2241 times:

Its very difficult to tell how high aircraft are from the ground, especially when they're miles away from you. Say the two aircraft were at 7000 and 8000 feet, they would be legally seperated and to anyone on the ground would look extremely close as they approached each other, the turns they took were, I imagine, coincidental to their positions. I certainly haven't heard anything about any incident/"near miss" at MAN in the past few days.

I'm not slurring anyone, I just know its hard to judge, I've been fooled myself before now by these optical illusions.


User currently offlineCKT523 From United Kingdom, joined May 2004, 161 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (9 years 10 months 4 weeks ago) and read 2200 times:

I live on the outskirts to the east of Stoke on Trent,on the way to Alton Towers and we're pretty high up (can see welsh mountains on a clear day) and we have traffic south departing MAN (old CONGA1R) and traffic, mainly freight on approach to EMA, and also traffic, mainly EZY B737's for some reason, inbound to LPL. Can look a bit hectic over my village sometimes!

User currently offlineBMI701EGCC From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2004, 162 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (9 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 2056 times:

Hi Guys,

"A climbing aircraft in 10 NM should be way to high than an aircraft at 10 NM on an approach.There are SID's(standart instrument departures) generally that the departing aircraft follows and SID's shouldn't bring departing and arriving aircraft into collision courses." WING, I Know what SIDs are STARs are WING. I'm a trainee private pilot(At Barton)  Smile . Anyway what are "Standart Instrumental Departures"  Big grin

Maybe No2 a/c was descending into another a/p.

Thanks for the comments anyway, Much appreciated. BTW The town of Wigan was named after a man who owned a barbers shop in the centre of town, Who made wings. I forget the whole of the story, Studied it in History one time!

Anyway can we get a list off all the A.net members who live near Atherton or Bolton(Gtr Manchester), Maybe we could have a meet at MAN sometime?


Scott Waterworth
BMI701EGCC



G-PATI-"G-PATI, Back inbound to Barton"MCT APR-"G-PATI, Continue, Keep lookout on VFR traffic"
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