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De-icing - Who Does It?  
User currently offlineMariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25160 posts, RR: 85
Posted (9 years 12 months 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 3691 times:
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I'm interested to know who provides the de-icing service at various airports (DEN and PHL in particular).

Is it the responsibility of the airport or the airline, or any specific airline as provider to all the others?

TIA

cheers

mariner

[Edited 2004-09-06 01:13:00]


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User currently offlineEMBQA From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 9364 posts, RR: 11
Reply 1, posted (9 years 12 months 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 3678 times:

In most every case it's the airline. Normally a Grounds Crewman that has been trained to apply the fluids does the cold job.... the lucky one gets to sit in the warm truck.


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User currently offlineMariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25160 posts, RR: 85
Reply 2, posted (9 years 12 months 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 3673 times:
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EMBQA:

Thanks, but I'm still a bit confused. PHL is advertising for a de-icing provider for all the airlines - I can't get it to link, though.

It suggests that there is one main provider, and that the individual airlines pay for the service.

cheers

mariner



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User currently offlineModesto2 From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 2795 posts, RR: 5
Reply 3, posted (9 years 12 months 22 hours ago) and read 3597 times:

At JFK, JetBlue uses it own Ground Ops Crew to deice the aircraft.

User currently offlineAirEMS From United States of America, joined May 2004, 684 posts, RR: 3
Reply 4, posted (9 years 12 months 22 hours ago) and read 3596 times:

I know in DEN that during the busy holiday season that a lot of Firefighters hire on as Part Time employees I've had a lot of friends go and do that for the holiday cash (just an interesting fact that I thought I would share)  Smile/happy/getting dizzy



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User currently offlineFreshlove1 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (9 years 12 months 22 hours ago) and read 3573 times:

Yeah the cold job, tell me about it. I was the "lucky one" who got chosen to go to the class to learn about all the different express and mainline planes and where to spray and where not to, then ontop of that I get to come back to the station and have everyone watch one of these cheesy videos on spraying all the different types of planes and then give them a test to see if they understand. It is really common sense (which I see that some of my employees don't have) and could be taught to someone in a few hours. I see no reason why it took 2 days for initial, but yet takes 4 hours for recurrent and it is the same stuff. They could teach you all the stuff in 4 hours easily even in initial. Then there is the part about the different fluids..Type 1 or Type IV. There is always one captain who screws the whole thing up by asking for Type IV when we are spraying Type 1. But as we are taught if he wants it he gets it. It's really kind of fun to spray one of them down. If you ever get the opportunity just hope you are in a covered bucket or you will smell like glycol for days!!!......Oh yeah just an F.Y.I did you know that propylene glycol (de-ice fluid) is a preservative in twinkees and other foods like that?

User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29795 posts, RR: 58
Reply 6, posted (9 years 12 months 21 hours ago) and read 3557 times:

And depending on the airline it could be the ramp crew, the maintaince crew, or contractors that perform the deice.


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User currently offlineJetmek319 From Germany, joined Sep 2003, 199 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (9 years 12 months 21 hours ago) and read 3528 times:

know in DEN that during the busy holiday season that a lot of Firefighters hire on as Part Time employees I've had a lot of friends go and do that for the holiday cash (just an interesting fact that I thought I would share)

And some airlines will even give the Fire Fighters/EMS/Police a couple of standby passes!



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User currently offlineFriendlySkies From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 4105 posts, RR: 5
Reply 8, posted (9 years 12 months 21 hours ago) and read 3505 times:

United does their own de-icing. I know because my uncle is the chief instructor for aircraft de-icing at ORD for UA.

User currently offlineN1120a From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26444 posts, RR: 75
Reply 9, posted (9 years 12 months 20 hours ago) and read 3499 times:

Propelene Glycol is also the anti-freeze of choice if you want to not worry about pets or kids getting in to it


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User currently offlineAA B777-200 From Netherlands, joined Mar 2001, 505 posts, RR: 4
Reply 10, posted (9 years 12 months 18 hours ago) and read 3442 times:

At Schiphol Amsterdam, KLM has its own staff to cover this. There's actually also a number of guys who work in offices (Technical Dept.) but have that de-icing "skill" so in peak winter times, they know where to knock on the door.

User currently offlineMariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25160 posts, RR: 85
Reply 11, posted (9 years 12 months 18 hours ago) and read 3432 times:
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This is all good stuff, but we're missing the point a bit.

I'll use JetBlue as the example, but it could easily be any airline:

Modesto2 says JetBlue does its own de-icing at JFK - but what would happen at - say - SLC? Surely, JetBlue doesn't own de-icing equipment there, so:

(a) do they rent the equipment from someone else and use their own staff, or:

(b) do they contract another airline to do it, or:

(c) does SLC Airport provide the equipment (to be rented to the airlines) and/or the staff to operate it?

(d) are there contractors who provide de-icing services?

As I say, I've used JetBlue/SLC as the example, but it could as easily be Southwest at, say, OMA, or F9 at BWI.

cheers

mariner



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User currently offlineEZYAirbus From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2003, 2460 posts, RR: 52
Reply 12, posted (9 years 12 months 14 hours ago) and read 3373 times:

British Airways got their own fleet of De-Icer trucks, they all a one man operation too! Nice warm cab and great fun to drive around at 80ft, they also got new ones that reach out far enough to de-ice the new A380!

Glenn



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User currently offlineRDUDDJI From Lesotho, joined Jun 2004, 1472 posts, RR: 3
Reply 13, posted (9 years 12 months 12 hours ago) and read 3316 times:

At RDU all carriers or whomever they sub their ramp out to do their own de-icing. Most carriers do have their own trucks. It fact last year I got stuck up in the air due to hydraulic failure in a de-ice bucket while de-icing the tail of a BAe-146 at 9pm at night in a snow storm. Not fun. I had to midair jump into another de-ice bucket from a DL truck to get down! I think you'll find most airlines do their own deicing at airports were snowfall is minimal. I heard a rumor once that some airport in the midwest (maybe MSP) has a de-ice hanger, that works sort of like a carwash and recycles the used glycol.


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User currently offlineQm001 From Portugal, joined Mar 2004, 281 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (9 years 12 months 11 hours ago) and read 3306 times:

I think that some clarification will be needed on the question! Do you want you know who does the de-icing at the airports? Who is responsible for it? Who manufactures the fluids? Or do you want to know who performs the physical act? they each have very different answers!

Mariner. Let me know which you want to know the answers for.



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User currently offlineQANTASFOREVER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (9 years 12 months 11 hours ago) and read 3290 times:

Qantas usually comissions airports to de-ice aircraft.

QFF


User currently offlineJetblue15 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 273 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (9 years 12 months 10 hours ago) and read 3276 times:

As far as Jetblue goes, the only cities where we do our own de-icing is JFK and BUF. Maybe BOS as well. Other cities such as SLC use a contracted company. Off hand I dont know the company but can find out.


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User currently offlineMariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25160 posts, RR: 85
Reply 17, posted (9 years 12 months 10 hours ago) and read 3237 times:
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QM001:

I'm not sure how to clarify it more than post #11.  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

Basically the question is this: does each airport provide de-icing services, or do independent contractors do it?

I'm guessing, from the later responses, that it's a bit of both.

cheers

mariner



aeternum nauta
User currently offlineYhz78 From Canada, joined Apr 2004, 147 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (9 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 3135 times:

Mariner, in airports where the airline has ground staff they usually provide the de-icing equipment and staff. In smaller outstations where the work is contracted to vendor companies they usually provide de-icing as part of the contract. In some cases (YYZ does it) the airport authority will be responsible for it and contract one company to provide this service for all airlines regardless who does the ground handling.


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User currently offlineMariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25160 posts, RR: 85
Reply 19, posted (9 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 3101 times:
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yhz78:

Thank you. That's what I wanted to know.

cheers

mariner



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User currently offlineRefueler1974 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 235 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (9 years 11 months 4 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 2981 times:

At AEX, Mesaba and ASA (Delta) do their own deicing, but we (from the FBO) have to do the job for Continental Express.


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User currently offlineAv8trxx From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 657 posts, RR: 6
Reply 21, posted (9 years 11 months 4 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 2967 times:

"Oh yeah just an F.Y.I did you know that propylene glycol (de-ice fluid) is a preservative in twinkees and other foods like that?"

True. Some might be surprised to know how many products they use everyday that have it. "It's stabilizer (in prepared fruits, vegetables and bakery goods) and a solvent in flavor solutions and extractions (in food additives, such as colors, antioxidants, enzymes and emulsifiers)...Propylene glycols are commonly used in many types of cosmetic formulations like-
Skin care (creams, moisturizers, cleansers, lotions, sun care products)
Deodorants and antiperspirants (roll on, stick and gel deodorants)
Hair care (shampoos, conditioners, styling gels, and coloring products)
Shaving products (creams, foams, gels, and after-shave lotions)
Bath and shower products
Perfumes and colognes
Baby care products (baby wipes)
Hand cleansing and disinfecting gels
Color cosmetics (blushes, eyeliner, lipsticks, eye shadow)
Dental care (mouth washes and toothpastes)

Who woulda thunk that, eh?

from http://www.flexpro.com/propyleneglycol/app/foodflav.htm


User currently offlineNW7E7 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 534 posts, RR: 5
Reply 22, posted (9 years 11 months 4 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 2942 times:

I have noticed at LIT, DL has their own de-icing equipment but I dont know about any other airline. NW uses their own equipment at GRR.

[Edited 2004-09-08 05:29:24]

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