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User currently offlineFrugalqxnwa From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 565 posts, RR: 1
Posted (10 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 4206 times:

A while ago there was a thread on Boeing's plans for the eyebrow windows still in the fleet. They have been eliminated on the 717, but at the time there was no definate answer for the 737 windows. Well, I was just on Boeing's website and saw a CG picture of a 737NG without the eyebrow windows (I saw this picture on the orders/deliveries report menu screen). Does anyone else have further information?

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User currently offlineOnlyWay2Fly From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 30 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (10 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 4062 times:

I have seen A.net photos of 717's with and without the eyebrow windows....maybe a customer option?


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User currently offlineFrugalqxnwa From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 565 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (10 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 4042 times:

It could be a customer option, I don't know. I do know, however, that the 717 originally had the eyebrows, and many newer ones do not.

User currently offlineBa319-131 From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 8594 posts, RR: 54
Reply 3, posted (10 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 3955 times:
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The point of eliminating the 'eyebrows' is to reduce maintenance costs,odd Boeing chose to do it with the 'dead in the water' 717 rather than the 73G family was an odd move indeed!


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User currently offlineAA737-823 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 5947 posts, RR: 11
Reply 4, posted (10 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 3851 times:

It is not an option- they have been removed from the type certificat or whatever happens there... they are no longer offered.

They were useful back when the DC-9 was designed and people were taking star fixes, etc, but not in the last thirty years.  Smile

R


User currently offlineRedDragon From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2004, 1135 posts, RR: 6
Reply 5, posted (10 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 3798 times:

Boeing only eliminated the eyebrow windows on the 717 a couple of years or so ago, one benefit being a weight saving that I can't recall off the top of my head. Of course this also means you have fewer windows to maintain, fewer to replace if they get damaged and (from what I've heard at least regarding the 737 eyebrows) fewer windows to fog up as they age. By the sounds of it many operators have chosen not to bother replacing permanently-fogged 737 eyebrow windows as pilots never use them. A side benefit of this is that the pilots don't have to hunt around the cockpit for something to use as a sunvisor for the affected panel!

Rich

EDIT: Just found the aforementioned thread: "When Will We Stop Seeing "eyebrow Windows" On 737"

[Edited 2004-09-06 22:01:30]

User currently offlineScxmechanic From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 534 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (10 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 3775 times:

Word was/is we (WN) are supposed to take our first delivery of the B737NG without eyebrow windows in the 1st qtr 2005.



User currently offlineN328KF From United States of America, joined May 2004, 6491 posts, RR: 3
Reply 7, posted (10 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 2970 times:

The 737-800 based MMA will lack eyebrow windows, as well.


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User currently offlineSeptember11 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 3623 posts, RR: 21
Reply 8, posted (10 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 2920 times:

I like those eyebrow windows on 727s!

I think it doesn't look good on 737s.


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User currently offlineWhitehatter From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (10 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 2909 times:

The eyebrow windows are a relic of the pre-TCAS days, and when terminals didn't have the radar they have nowadays. They are more for spotting conflicting traffic, especially in a turn or bank situation.

Until recently every Rolls Royce was supplied with a starting handle. Same thing, a fitment that was made redundant by change but had never been designed out.


User currently offlineTimz From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 6902 posts, RR: 7
Reply 10, posted (10 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 2872 times:

"Until recently every Rolls Royce was supplied with a starting handle."

You mean a crank, for starting the engine by muscle power? So RRs (until when?) had a hole toward the bottom of the grill, or below it, where you inserted the end of the crank?


User currently offline737doctor From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 1332 posts, RR: 38
Reply 11, posted (10 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 2744 times:

We change those damn windows on virtually every aircraft that comes in for heavy check, but for delamination, not fogging. I don't know how much we would save in weight, but I know we'd save a ton in the cost of replacement windows and labor to replace them.


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