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Why Did Aloha Ditch Their -300's?  
User currently offlineMatt D From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 9502 posts, RR: 43
Posted (11 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 3450 times:

Aloha acquired a small fleet of 737-300's (and possibly even a -400 or two) some time ago. But they ditched them and stayed with all of the -200's, which I would think after all the free publicity they got involving that little oopsy-daisy with #711, they would've ditched them as fast as possible.

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User currently offlineAA737-823 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 6291 posts, RR: 10
Reply 1, posted (11 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 3419 times:

My understanding is that the CFM-56 engines do not hold up well under Aloha's unusual schedule. That is, modern high-bypass engines are generally designed for longer sectors, and Aloha is flying 20 minutes flights. That's very hard on any engine. Maintenance costs became outrageous very quickly.

The JT8-D used on the -200 is the PERFECT engine for these short flights- it doesn't mind the stress.

The only modern airplane that can deal with those stresses of short flights is being used by Aloha's competitor- the Boeing 717.


User currently offlineBluewave 707 From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 3164 posts, RR: 6
Reply 2, posted (11 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 3394 times:

AQ found that their very short routes was too much for the CFM engines on the -300s and -400s, and found that the engines were not designed for routes as short as AQ's, and actually increased their maintenance costs.

Talking with cabin and flight crews, they enjoyed the -300s and -400s while they were in the AQ fleet, but the bottom line was $$$.

The dilema now is finding a suitable replacement for the -200s. The simplest solution to deal with the noise issue, is hush-kits, which AQ has not installed, even with the exemption that expired last year (gotten by Hawaii's Congressional delegation in the 90s). Various a/c types have been speculated for the past several years, including the 717-200(!?!). AQ is mum on this topic, and will keep their cards close.

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User currently offlineYyz717 From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 16525 posts, RR: 54
Reply 3, posted (11 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 3383 times:

I read on here some time ago that AQ has ruled out the 717 as a 732 replacement simply because HA operates the type. If true, this seems self-defeating to me if the 717 is indeed the best solution.

I dumped at the gybe mark in strong winds when I looked up at a Porter Q400 on finals. Can't stop spotting.
User currently offlineAzoresLover From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 784 posts, RR: 6
Reply 4, posted (11 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 3360 times:
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I would HOPE that is not true, as the 717 would be perfect, as has been pointed out here. Being a 717 fan myself, I'd hate to see an order lost for such a reason!!

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User currently offlineAloha73g From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 2407 posts, RR: 4
Reply 5, posted (11 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 3328 times:

The main reason the 717 is out of the running is beacuse Aloha has a HUGE cargo operation currently served by 737-200QCs. The 717 does not have cargo capability and they wish to keep fleet types to a minimum (so no 717 for pax and 732s for cargo). Plus, the 732s are real workhorses and are for the time being very easy to acquire on the used aircraft market. The 732s are here to stay for quite a few more years under my estimation.

Also, the interisland market is unprofitable or barely break even for both AQ and HA, so why dump precious money into a money loser? AQ has it right, spend your $$$ on something profitable....73Gs on trans-pac flights  Smile/happy/getting dizzy


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