Cedarjet From United Kingdom, joined May 1999, 8124 posts, RR: 54
Reply 1, posted (10 years 3 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 3488 times:
Good for Boeing, I guess this purchase will be supported in some way by the US Gov't, I think at this point any 747 sales are good for all. Hard to know if Ariana need that much capacity but they were flying DC10s (Frankfurt?) in the late 70s and the 80s, even after the Russian occupation started (indeed, one of the DC10s was hit by a Stinger missile on approach to Kabul, but landed safely). So perhaps the market is there - good news if it means Afganistan is safe for expats to start travelling home, trade etc.
fly Saha Air 707s daily from Tehran's downtown Mehrabad to Mashhad, Kish Island and Ahwaz
Mrniji From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (10 years 3 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 3375 times:
Any chance that the Indians will donate AIs 742s to them, or maybe even their two 743s?
Good point, DIJKKIJK! I personally have no idea, but would not be surprised if this happens for the 742s, which are retired as of Winter SChedule. For the 743s Combis, which in my eyes are a very suitable aircraft for AI, I do not think so, they are only 16 yrs old.
What I find strange. As I read this announcement, I of course again got a shock... no wonder that we Americans will try to press them for Boeing aircraft.. I hope they will have the sovereignty soon to decide without pressure which product they prefer. Then, the 'winner' has won in dignity!
Pilotaydin From Turkey, joined Sep 2004, 2539 posts, RR: 51
Reply 10, posted (10 years 3 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 3138 times:
i think the real problem lies in fixing Kabul airport. My father is a regular visitor of Kabul, he was onboard the Ariana A300 that busted the noise gear on takeoff and had to circle and land a "soft-field" on the runway, with full up elevator and finally when their nose gear touched down they ran off the side of the runway into what my dad said was an old mine-field planted by the Taliban. He didn't take pics can you believe this?!?! He says that Ariana are improving in all aspects and he enjoys flying on the A300 from IST, or on the 727 from DUBAI, i have more details on his incident if you wish. Just wanted to add in and say better a/c for Ariana wont go far unless there is a lighted a/p and better paving
The only time there is too much fuel onboard, is when you're on fire!
Indianguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (10 years 3 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 3130 times:
By hot Spares meaning that a 742 would be readily available if a 744 could not be set aside at short notice. Atleast part of the lease fees for a couple of the 744's are being reimbursed by the GoI. Another of the subsidies that AI recieves from the Bharat Sarkaar!
Behramjee From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 4794 posts, RR: 43
Reply 12, posted (10 years 3 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 3122 times:
Very very smart fleet plan...theyve realized that they will be more CARGO coming into Afghanistan than passengers which is the obvious scenario due to the country's reconstruction-international aid work-military equipment etc.
I would have prefered it if 2 B 763Fs were obtained due to the flexibility of having 1 spare in case the other breaks down and also for the fact that one can be used for PAK-IND-DXB-SAUDI flights where as the other exclusively for FRA-CDG-LONDON-GVA !!!
Mrniji From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (10 years 3 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 3085 times:
Just wanted to add in and say better a/c for Ariana wont go far unless there is a lighted a/p and better paving
Maybe they can once get the IC double boogies for this purpose..
Anyone any idea whether IC is planning KBL sometime? By the way, I like
DIJKKIJK's idea of gifting the 742s to FG.. then, AI woudl get a modest price from the GOI for them and, as Roy says, it would be Another of the subsidies that AI recieves from the Bharat Sarkaar!
LVZXV From Gabon, joined Mar 2004, 2041 posts, RR: 37
Reply 15, posted (10 years 3 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 2911 times:
That's a crude 747 if you could actually call it that--note the piece missing off the L2 door!
I think the 727s they have are actually pretty ideal for operations in Afghanistan--they remind me of LB's in Bolivia. As for "Russian aircraft", I believe they only have one serviceable An-24, but then again, that too might have been retired. All its sister planes--Tu-154s, Yak-40s and the like--were destroyed during the Soviet occupation, the ensuing civil war, the Mujahiddin, the Taliban, and the US bombing raids, including some of the original 727s.
Only one of their aircraft, their 727-200 YA-FAY, has survived all the carnage, a miracle given that it was delivered to Ariana in 1992, i.e. when the Mujahiddin came to power. The aircraft had already gained a little infamy in February 2000 when involved in the much-publicised hijacking which saw the plane cross Central Asia, Russia and Europe, before ending-up at STN. Thank God there was no blood shed.
I remember seeing the plane parked next to the runway with doors open and lights on when taking a Ryanair flight a couple of days after the ordeal had ended.
Hamlet69 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 2744 posts, RR: 58
Reply 20, posted (10 years 3 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 2784 times:
"I really doubt they would buy those planes brand new."
The 747-400M and 767-300ER can probably be acquired used. However, AFAIK, there are no 767-300F's to be sold/leased in the forseeable future. UPS is using all of theirs, as is LAN, and NCA is looking to add 1 or 2 more, from what I hear. Asiana could possibly be the source, though I doubt it.
DfwRevolution From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 978 posts, RR: 51
Reply 21, posted (10 years 3 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 2760 times:
DfwRevolution: The MD-11?
No... while the MD-11 is available as a combi, it can't carry the passenger and cargo load of the 744. The 744M has roughly the passenger capacity their DC-10s had and a substantial amount of main deck cargo. See for yourself-
Fokker50 From Colombia, joined Jun 2004, 359 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (10 years 3 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 2722 times:
Well, from my two points of vew, the can:
1 They can introduce to Afghanistan new a/c such as the 763 and 763F, the 743combi, but the big problem is that Ariana need money to pay the new pilots the preparation to this new types of a/c in the region.
2 The other is that they can get some A310 from the desert, and they don't need to train pilots because some of them are allready with the A300, and to replace the 722, they can use some used a/c.
And to replace the russian prop birdy, they can buy some Fokker 50's to the operational job in the domestic Afghanistan.