Rwylie77 From United Kingdom, joined May 2004, 367 posts, RR: 2 Posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 8751 times:
I know a lot of other airlines do not operate any 747's, but American Airlines is the largest airline in the world and I'm surprised that they do not even operate a couple, and appear not to have done for quite a while. The same with Delta I believe. Is there a reason, such as they are more of a domestic US airline and do not fly as many long haul international flights such as United? Or is it because there are so many US airlines flying internationally they go for a higher frequency of smaller planes? It just seems stupid on busy routes where slots are at a premium such as ORD/JFK to LHR, which BA and VS both use 744's on (plus A346 on some).
Luv2fly From United States of America, joined May 2003, 11957 posts, RR: 51 Reply 1, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 8692 times:
I think you answered your own question smaller planes offering more flights. Remember with each additional fleet type you add, it adds to the bottom line, training for the employees, spare parts to have on hand and the list goes on and on. Remember pre 9-11 AA operated 11 different fleet types for mainline aircraft, they are now down to 6 types.
FriendlySkies From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 4004 posts, RR: 6 Reply 2, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 8685 times:
AA did have some 747s a while back, but I believe they were unhappy with their performance, and opted for the DC-10/MD-11 instead. They used to operate them between LAX and JFK I believe, but only for a short time.
Rwylie77 From United Kingdom, joined May 2004, 367 posts, RR: 2 Reply 5, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 8634 times:
Bobnwa - in fact I would say the opposite! They are certainly the largest (by number of aircraft), but maybe this is why they are not the largest by market capitalisation or profits! Would reducing the number of planes by introducing the 744 or A380 to replace smaller 767's etc increase their profitability?
N1120a From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 25852 posts, RR: 79 Reply 8, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 8475 times:
Hey, you don't need big planes to haul a lot of PAX, just look at Southwest. AA has gone to a policy of only flying twins. They have stated this many times andthey seem to do ok with it. One of the main reasons they don't have 747s is because they have never had a really big Asia presence. What they have had, they have been able to serve with MD-11s, DC-10s and 777s. Again, they did have 741s when everyone had 741s and bought some TWA SPs as a stopgap, as said before. They really don't serve the highest traffic routes internationally and the ones that do have a lot of traffic, they fly against a lot of competition and choose frequency over capacity. They also seem to not care about using up their LHR slots on better routes and using Gatwick for secondary routes like DFW and RDU.
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Rwylie77 From United Kingdom, joined May 2004, 367 posts, RR: 2 Reply 10, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 8290 times:
ConcordeBoy - that is very worrying if BA is able to run 744's from LHR to the US profitably and AA thinks it is unable to fill anything more than a 772...lack of confidence in their own product vs. BA and Virgin?
Clipper002 From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 671 posts, RR: 14 Reply 12, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days ago) and read 8034 times:
American did indeed operate 742's. Two of them were converted to frieghters and leased to Pan Am. N9673 and N9674 if my memory serves me correctly. The best thing about them was that they were noseloaders, no playing with pallets on a loader 20 feet up in the air.
JAXpax From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 13, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days ago) and read 8014 times:
I'm sorry, but I fail to see any reason why American should be presently operating B747s. Did I miss the day in school where they taught that "Your airline should plan its fleet around cool looking aircraft" ??
MSPXJGuy From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 150 posts, RR: 3 Reply 14, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 7628 times:
Well, I think it was pretty much stated that they have 8 different gateways here in the U.S. but they don't have any intl hubs that they need to get a lot of people to and from out of there.
When you look at the two US carriers that have 747s (Northwest and United) they have a large presence in Asia and both have a hub in NRT. They need those big birds to transfer people through with limited slots.
American doesn't have a hub like this internationally.
FLFlyGuy From United States of America, joined May 2004, 238 posts, RR: 3 Reply 20, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 7019 times:
Bob Crandall put it this way back in the 80's-- he would rather turn passengers away from a full 767 sometimes, than to fly a half-empty 747 for half of the year.
Many of our large markets are seasonal and would not support 747 service year-round. What do you do with the plane when it isn't needed? It becomes an unnecessary expense.
Arguably we could find some use for a limited number of 747s year round, but right now they are trying to reduce the number of fleet types. There's not that much that a 747 can do that a 777 can't, these days.
The views expressed are my own, and not necessarily those of my employer.
N1120a From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 25852 posts, RR: 79 Reply 21, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 6953 times:
I can see AA, when they get their finances back online, which is happening slowly, ordering the 772LR, and possibly growing routes to get the 773ER. And definately the 7E7. They also retired the 717, though those came from TW.
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Bobnwa From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 5975 posts, RR: 9 Reply 22, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 6850 times:
In July of 2001 American was operating the following type of aircraft.
10. Fokker 100
DeltaMD11 From United States of America, joined Dec 2002, 1698 posts, RR: 38 Reply 24, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 6788 times:
The MD-11 and MD-90 fleets were already well under retirement way before 9/11 (I think that AA had 2 MD-11 airframes operational after 9/11 and those were only used to fill in as equipment subs), so I don't know if you can rightly count them. As for the TWA 717's, they were still on TWA operating certificates and leases when AMR made them get rid of them, so I don't think that you can count those either.
As I stated above, the fleets that AA has truly dumped post 9/11 are the 727's and effective tomorrow the Fokker 100's.
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25 Aa777jr: It is way more profitable for AA to operate 772 on the routes were they used the 742s in the 80s and early 90s. They were using a 742 to fly into LGW
26 AA B777-200: I think the last 747SPs flew JFK-LHR and JFK-BRU. That is after the MD11 took over the DFW-NRT and AA started getting more MD11s.
27 Bobnwa: AA777jr, I don't believe that AA ever operated the 747-200. What market share was dominated by US with the 747?
28 Yyz717: I think the last 747SPs flew JFK-LHR and JFK-BRU. AA used the SP on JFK-LHR and then DFW-NRT. I don't believe that AA ever operated the 747-200. Corre
29 Learjet23: I used to fly the AA 742 flight #7 from LAX to HNL Hawaii back in the early 1980's always in first, and always in 1-A. It was a seat all to its self t
30 Aa777jr: I meant UA not US, crucify me holy one bob.[Edited 2004-09-07 23:49:40]
31 Aa777jr: also, AA did fly the 741 and SP, my brother is a currier with Fed Ex and confirmed 20653 (237) 747-273C 15/04/1984 The flight was DFW-HNL. [Edited 200
32 Thrust: AA operated between 10 and 20 747-100s in the 1970s....unfortunately they were not the airline back then that they are now....they had mostly transcon
33 Texdravid: As the 747-400 is in the twilight of its career, AA will never have a 744, even if it is awarded new Asian gateways. AA loves its 777's and 767's and
34 Thrust: Yep, I read that orders on the 747 are slowly drying up...it cannot continue to sell well as it is...twin jets and more modern four engined jets like
35 FedExDC-10: Indeed, my apologies. I did not realize that the MD-11 flew that late. So I make eight current types off of that list, seven taking into account the-I
36 Hirnie: "It was a seat all to its self the way the seating was laid out. Really cool to be in the nose all alone! no one on you side to bother you! Just wonde
37 Starlionblue: Lets face it A.netters, the 747 is a dying beast. I love it more than anyone, but airlines just feel it is uneconomical and unneeded. Boeing is right,
38 UA772IAD: I agree with you Starlionblue. In fact, this is also true in the US... In 2003, UA pulled a bunch of 744's out of storage in California and returned t
39 Learjet23: I love the 747!! Can't get enough of this big mama! Flew home from Vietnam in one in 1971, will go out again next month to Asia on nwa #1 !! 34 years
40 FedExDC-10: ROFL. I hereby contribute five dollars, with the understanding that I get custody on weekends.
41 VirginAtlantic: At least there's still the European and Asian lines, who are still heavy 747 users. So I think we're still safe for a few more years.
42 Wdleiser: As an American I am proud to say United is my flagship carrier. In my opinion a great airline must have the 744 if it want's true greatness Status
43 Thrust: What people are failing to realize is that while yes, the Boeing 744 continues to be a very popular aircraft, new orders for it are dwindling. It will
44 Texdravid: Starlionblue, You state that SQ, et. al are huge 747 operators. True, but SQ is retiring them and by 2007 or so they will be no 744's in SQ colors. Al
45 Aa777jr: SQ retiring their entire fleet of 747 by 2007? Are you flipping insane? SQ is the most (I think) profitable carrier worldwide. Their governement subsi
46 Lakerskytrain: Aa777jr You argue that SQ have one of the youngest fleets. Their hardly going to keep a 744 going for that long are they if they wish to keep its aver
47 FLYSSC: To go back to the Topic.... AA operated either the 747-100s or -200s in the 70s Ckfred, Actually AA operated some B747 as late as mid-80's, as shown o