Vw From United States, joined Mar 2000, 221 posts, RR: 0 Posted (4 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 1299 times:
I am an U.S. citizen with my commercial license with instrument rating. Currently I am working on my multi-engine rating. I graduated from a 2-year community college and received my associates of science degree in airport management/ professional pilot. Currently I have 300 hours s.e.l. and 5 hours m.e.l. I want to peruse flying jobs in Germany, Austria, or Switzerland. Can you help me with some information on how to transfer my ratings to Europe? Also do you know what some of the minimum hiring requirements are for an entry position? I have close family that are German citizens and I am also looking into becoming a citizen in Germany. Also what is the name of the "FAA" in Germany.
Thanks for any help.
Tyson
JeffDCA From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 1, posted (4 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 1265 times:
First of all, you'll need to be a European citizen if you want a job over there. Then comes the work. You'll need a JAA ATPL, CPL and Multi IR to start applying for jobs. To convert from JAA to FAA it's a matter of paper work, unfortunately it doesn't work in reverse. You'll have to pass all 14 ATPL's, and complete check rides for the CPL and IR, which can take up a lot of time and money. If you want i can give you the number of someone in the US who you can speak to about getting all this done. Let me know by contacting me through my profile if you do and i'll send his number.
On the good news side, hours won't be a problem, as i know of pilots hired on 76's with BY with 100 hours less than what you have. Also your age will make it easier to find jobs.
Av8trxx From United States, joined Nov 2001, 654 posts, RR: 6 Reply 2, posted (4 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 1243 times:
You should visit the Professional Pilots Rumour Network (largely a forum for pilots in Europe) at http://www.pprune.org and ask questions there if what you want to know about isn't already posted.
Flymia From United States, joined Jun 2001, 3475 posts, RR: 3 Reply 3, posted (4 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 1162 times:
Europe is crazy. Are you telling me a 300Hour Pilot can get a job with an Airline any Airline! You cant even get a cargo job flying Cessna 310 with 300 hours in the states. I definetly want to look into Europe. Are you sure you need to be a citizen. I guess the only chance I would have is the UK because I dont speak any other languages very good. Some spanish but not alot. Maybe I should work on German or more on Spanish. It is still a while away for me to think about that but that is crazy. 300 Hours!
It was just four of us on the flight deck, trying to do our job" (Captain Al Haynes)
Flymia From United States, joined Jun 2001, 3475 posts, RR: 3 Reply 5, posted (4 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 1131 times:
EmiratesA345: Hey just because I cant write it good does not mean I cant speak it. Besides my spell check does not work on my Internet and well I guess I should re read it better.
It was just four of us on the flight deck, trying to do our job" (Captain Al Haynes)
JeffDCA From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 6, posted (4 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 1053 times:
Europe is crazy. Are you telling me a 300Hour Pilot can get a job with an Airline any Airline! You cant even get a cargo job flying Cessna 310 with 300 hours in the states. I definetly want to look into Europe. Are you sure you need to be a citizen.
It's far from crazy It is quite possible to get an airline job with less than 300 hours in Europe. You do need to be a citizen however, and if you can't speak a foreign language, i wouldn't bother trying for anywhere other than the UK. Take a look at the following photos, you'll notice the FO has only 2 stripes. That means he has less than 1500 hours and thus has a frozen ATPL as opposed to a full one. It's therefore quite possible that these guys have been hired with around 200-300 hours.
ILoveORD From United States, joined Sep 2003, 220 posts, RR: 1 Reply 7, posted (4 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 1028 times:
A few months ago, I read an article in a SWISS in-flight magazine that profiled some of the airline's pilots and their backgrounds. I was suprised to read than one pilot, a young gentlemen of about 30 or slightly younger, who was cross-qualified on A320/330 (F/O)--well actually, that's not the surprising part. He was switching rides between A320s and A330s(!); he was flying wide-bodies long-haul at age 30! And I don't think he was an exception; I think there's less of a seniority issue when it comes to long-haul with European carriers. SWISS even trains its pilots at its own flight school. Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't American pilots who fly long-haul considerably more senior (in age, as well as hours) than there domestic-bound counterparts?
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Aa717driver From United States, joined Feb 2002, 1557 posts, RR: 10 Reply 8, posted (4 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 1007 times:
US long-haul pilots tend to be more senior because that's where the money peaks and the days worked per month are minimized.
You wait 20 years to stop flying 4-day, 16-leg trips making $150/hr. to work 9 days a month, making over $200k a year(on pre-9/11 pay, that is).
I would say the majority of pilots would trade the glamorous layovers and big iron to make the same money and fly a few days more a month while staying in the same time zone, though.TC
JeffDCA From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 9, posted (4 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 970 times:
he was flying wide-bodies long-haul at age 30!
That's not unusual at all, my roommates brother is 26 and flies 76's for BY. If you go down to SFB any day of the week you'll see FO's stepping off A330's that look far younger than 30. We play the game very differently in Europe, you could start your airline career on anything from an ERJ 135 to a 744. Just depends on where the jobs are and what the current requirments are.
Boeing727 From United States, joined May 1999, 816 posts, RR: 0 Reply 11, posted (4 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 835 times:
Are there chances to work in Europe with a US license? I am German citizen with an ATP, 2400 hours total, 1000 hours multi and 200 hours Part 121 SIC...
Flymia From United States, joined Jun 2001, 3475 posts, RR: 3 Reply 12, posted (4 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 793 times:
Boeing727: I know you have to change you licenses. But with those hours you should get a job for sure. maybe LH 744! In the US those hours could get you a CRJ or a Chicago Express Saab 340 which is fine with me.
I would move to the UK as soon as I could but I heard it is not easy as I would expected to be hard to become a UK citizent from a US. What if I get Polish Citizenship? Since that is a EU passport you think that is better. I cant speak polish so forget going there. It would be very hard to get a citizent in Europe. So I guess I will just have to get my 1700 Hours to go on a CRJ or just go to some flight academy.
It was just four of us on the flight deck, trying to do our job" (Captain Al Haynes)
UAL747DEN From United States, joined Dec 2003, 1039 posts, RR: 7 Reply 13, posted (4 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 686 times:
I feel the same way as everyone else. It is VERY HARD to move up to a wide body here in the US. I was a few weeks from going to Delta Connection Academy so that I could have a chance to fly a 767 before I turned 30. Going though their program they can have you as a FO in a CRJ within 9 months then you can gain time and move up from there. The problem with that is that you have to go to school more than full time and pay about $100K to complete it in that very short time. The option that I am pursuing now if just taking lessons and flying with a flight club. It will take a lot longer but I will save a lot of money. The only way I can see myself flying a 747 is going outside of the US. I have looked into this many times and there are options flying for Asian cargo companies that will get a new pilot into a wide body to build up some time and experience. Also you only have to know English for these jobs. Its much harder than most people think working your way up to a commercial pilot, and far more money than anyone would ever guess, but when that day comes I will be the happiest person alive!
** Just be lucky that you don't have to family of pilots all telling you that its not that hard to just work your way in! When they started the industry was booming and you went through the ranks as fast as you could learn because the airlines were buying aircraft as fast as they could be delivered. Us younger guys have it a lot rougher !!! ***
Airbazar From United States, joined Sep 2003, 3221 posts, RR: 9 Reply 14, posted (4 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 674 times:
Dude, if you're willing to go to Asia you don't have to fly cargo. You can apply for a job with just about any Asian carrier. Most of them, if not all, don't have a citizenship requirement and they too, have "lighter" requirements than the US carriers. In a way it's the best of both Worlds
Flymia From United States, joined Jun 2001, 3475 posts, RR: 3 Reply 15, posted (4 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 643 times:
Dont you have to known the language of that carrier? I think that they would like there pilots talking there lanague to the pax. And in cargo there are no pax though. Do Asia carriers require you to change you ratings?
It was just four of us on the flight deck, trying to do our job" (Captain Al Haynes)
Iakobos From Dem Rep of Congo (Zaire), joined Aug 2003, 2614 posts, RR: 28 Reply 16, posted (4 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 600 times:
Back in the mid seventies we had a 707 captain aged 26, though he had a lot of hours (and African experience) for his age, and unanimously respected by his older peers. (non-national carrier)
I do not know if this was really a world record but for sure it is extremely unusual.
A little earlier than that, a friend of mine was FO on Caravelle at age 22 and went up to Captain 747 well before reaching 40. (national carrier)
Flymia From United States, joined Jun 2001, 3475 posts, RR: 3 Reply 17, posted (4 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 526 times:
Yea check this picture out. The pilot in the left seat does not look Asian to me. But main question is does he know the Language with the airline he flys for and did he have to change his licenses and ratings? Maybe he was justed born there and he just had European or North American parents or something. Who knows. Does anyone know of any non Asian pilots for sure that work with Asian airlines. I am talking about not even training in Asia.
JeffDCA From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 18, posted (4 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 464 times:
A friend of mine has a brother (British) working for Emirates. He started off in the RAF, so would have been trained to UK CAA standards, i don't think he knows the language either.
RG828 From Brazil, joined Jan 2004, 558 posts, RR: 1 Reply 19, posted (4 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 454 times:
Speaking of age, the FO on this CX flight was 18yrs old then and had just 'graduated' out of the CX academy in Australia. Like the remark says, that was his first hands-on landing in a demanding KTK.
Airbazar From United States, joined Sep 2003, 3221 posts, RR: 9 Reply 20, posted (4 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 448 times:
You don't have to speak the language. I have European friends flying with Singapore and Emirates. From what I hear, Malaysian/Thai/GulfAir, all have a very large number of foreign pilots.
ILoveORD From United States, joined Sep 2003, 220 posts, RR: 1 Reply 21, posted (4 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 391 times:
I knew two girls back in college whose fathers are pilots for Asian carriers: Singapore and Korean Air. One girl is from Australia--her father flies for Korean, and the other girl is from Poland--her father flies for Singapore (but he lives in the U.S.). From what I can gather though, Asian carriers like to hire Western pilots. Since most, if not all, of the aviation communication is done in English, I don't think you need to learn the "local" language. However, I wonder if flight crews are mixed (i.e. one Western pilot, one Asian pilot)?
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Iakobos From Dem Rep of Congo (Zaire), joined Aug 2003, 2614 posts, RR: 28 Reply 22, posted (4 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 364 times:
@ RG828
I have some doubts concerning the 18 year old being an airline pilot.
Not in terms of qualifications but in terms of legal age.
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It is quite possible to get an airline job with less than 300 hours in Europe. You do need to be a citizen however, and if you can't speak a foreign language, i wouldn't bother trying for anywhere other than the UK. Take a look at the following photos, you'll notice the FO has only 2 stripes. That means he has less than 1500 hours and thus has a frozen ATPL as opposed to a full one. It's therefore quite possible that these guys have been hired with around 200-300 hours.
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