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Difference Between Flight Safety And Embry Riddle  
User currently offlineJfkaua From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 1000 posts, RR: 3
Posted (10 years 3 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 8783 times:

Hey, I know schools have been discussed on here over and over, and I have read them all... I am now in my Junior year and I am rather sure I want to go into the aviation field. The two main schools I was looking at was flight safety academy and embry riddle. On my SAT'S I am expecting around 1300-1400 on the current one and around 2100 on the new one. For total tuition my parents have told me I have around 80,000-90,000. I know that the field doesn't start out with high pay and that doesn't really bother me much as long as I can earn a decent amount after ten years (40-50k maybe?) I was wondering what exactly are the differences between these two schools... What are the requirements, tuitions, advantages, and disadvantages of each of them and are their any others I should be looking at? Also how big are each of these schools and what are the campus's like? Thanks for your help

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User currently offlineGigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16347 posts, RR: 85
Reply 1, posted (10 years 3 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 8761 times:

One is actually a college. The other is not.

N


User currently offlineJfkaua From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 1000 posts, RR: 3
Reply 2, posted (10 years 3 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 8757 times:

embry riddle is the college... correct?

User currently offlineBurnsie28 From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 7547 posts, RR: 8
Reply 3, posted (10 years 3 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 8748 times:

Well for 80-90K I wouldnt look into Expensive Embry Riddle, The University of North Dakota has a better program, and more links to Airlines.




"Some People Just Know How To Fly"- Best slogan ever, RIP NW 1926-2009
User currently offlineTheiler From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 633 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (10 years 3 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 8741 times:

I believe that Flight Safety offers much more Jet training than other schools. They train a significant number of corporate pilots (type-rating central!) I didn't even realize they had an introductory program.

Transition training to jets may be easier with them, as a student would be somewhat familiar with the teaching methods (I suppose), but that's mere speculation on my part.

[Edited 2004-09-08 04:26:40]

User currently offlineJfkaua From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 1000 posts, RR: 3
Reply 5, posted (10 years 3 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 8741 times:

how much is embry riddle's tuition? i read around 18,000-20,000

User currently offlineBurnsie28 From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 7547 posts, RR: 8
Reply 6, posted (10 years 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 8727 times:

Embry Tuition a year is $21,530 plus student fees of another $715, plus books, figure about $1000 a year. Plus Room and boared of $3190. So year before flight costs is $25,435 X 4= $101,740 for 4 years, plus flight costs estimated at $10,000 a year is another 40,000 so your total for 4 years at Embry would be estimated at $141,740, where at UND your looking around 80-90K.

As for admissions, UND requires a HS GPA of 2.5 and an ACT score of 22 I forget what SAT equivelent is, but ACT is a better test to take. UND has something like 19,000 students, plays Division 1-A ice hockey which is usually ranked in the top 5 in the nation, and plays regular Division 2 sports. ERAU has no sports and really no activities. UND has a large and very nice looking campus, while I cant speak for ERAU. I would highly suggest a Campus visit to UND in Grand Forks, keep in mind NW is the only one to fly there, and sometimes, can be a bit pricey, if it is try Fargo, a 1hr drive down the road, wont be too much better, but UA Express is also there. Sometimes however GFK is cheaper then Fargo. Disadvantage, is its cold at UND, however, you will have plenty of opportunity to fly there, as Embry weather is warm, however, you can see what kind of things may happen when hurricanes hit the Daytona Beach area. My suggestion is UND. Also I dont think you will have 10 years to pay off students loans, i think normally its about 5 years.

size=-4>[Edited 2004-09-08 04:45:23]

Err sorry, for some reason it wouldnt actively link the website for UND, for the main school and all the info you need its www.und.edu and for the aviation department its www.aero.und.edu

[Edited 2004-09-08 04:46:48]


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User currently offlineGigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16347 posts, RR: 85
Reply 7, posted (10 years 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 8708 times:

Advantages to ERAU: lots of fun, at least at Daytona.
Disadvantage to UND: its North Dakota. What the f is there to do in north dakota.

N


User currently offlineDesertJets From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 7780 posts, RR: 16
Reply 8, posted (10 years 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 8709 times:

There is more than just ERAU and UND when it comes to schools that have aviation programs. And neither place is especially cheap either. Not to mention neither one has an outstanding academic reputation as well.

Take your time and research ALL of your options... including going to a non-aviation oriented school and pursuing your flight training in your free-time. And try to look at as many schools that offer aviation programs as well. A few of them are at universities that have a pretty good rep as well.

Seeing that you are in NYS may I suggest SUNY Farmingdale. Helluva lot cheaper than ERAU and UND and they have an aviation program.



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User currently offlineRamerinianair From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 1486 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (10 years 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 8688 times:

You can get into ERAU with an SAT of a little over 1000. It depends what you are going for. Avaition; Professional Pilot is a little higher but you'll have no problem. I was accepted with an 1150.
Good Luck,
SR
PS ERAU is also on the DAB airport and 3 mile west of the beach!!!



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User currently offlineBurnsie28 From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 7547 posts, RR: 8
Reply 10, posted (10 years 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 8684 times:

UND is a University its a Liberal Arts University with a spectacular flying program, your more likely to get hired going to UND or ERAU then any other schools.


"Some People Just Know How To Fly"- Best slogan ever, RIP NW 1926-2009
User currently offlineKalakaua From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 1516 posts, RR: 5
Reply 11, posted (10 years 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 8671 times:

How in hell does one get 2100 on the SAT? I thought the max was 1600? BTW, are you trying to impress us with your score and tuition money? You'd think people would be a little modest about things, nowadays... But anyway...

I'm still sick and tired of hearing these ERAU bashing... I sense some jealousy.

As for ERAUs tuition, it's all worth it. The people are always there to cut corners and help you succeed. After all, ERAU wants to and does produce the best professionals. My tuition was originally $28,000 (as an BSAE), but after, it was $19,000 with all the same things(classes, dorms, etc...) And I had to submit my first SAT score of 850 (I'm seriously not kidding...), and I still got accepted. But hell, I had 1250 on the second one. I come from a not-so-well to do family, but I worked my ass off at ERAU, and in the eyes of my colleagues, I'm a success! And we absolutely have an outstanding academic reputation! Whoever said that we don't, must be high. And we certainly have more connection, after all we do produce the best Aerospace Engineers and Pilots, according to U.S. News, and Flight Competitions... And as for UND, they're great... Several of my friends are going there, but if you really want people to know that you came from a specialized university dedicated to aviation and the science, go to ERAU! Engineers, pilots, Aviation business admin., GSIS, etc... should all be working together. That's why I chose ERAU.

http://www.erau.edu/er/abouterau/fastfacts.html



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User currently offlineAv8trxx From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 657 posts, RR: 6
Reply 12, posted (10 years 3 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 8657 times:

"There is more than just ERAU and UND when it comes to schools that have aviation programs...Take your time and research ALL of your options... including going to a non-aviation oriented school and pursuing your flight training in your free-time. And try to look at as many schools that offer aviation programs as well."

DesertJets offers excellent words of wisdom! I second them heartily! Airlines don't care about school names when you get to your interview. They care about what's in your logbook. Granted some programs do have 'affiliations' with airlines but nothing is guaranteed (except maybe an interview with some routes). You can get to the same end no matter which way you go about it and be more or less in debt depending on how you do it.

Visit the schools message folders at Jetcareers.com to get the low down on all the major academies & universities- http://jetcareers.com/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php

The University Aviation Association is also a good place to investigate collegiant aviation programs if you want to train and get 4 yr degree at the same time- http://uaa.auburn.edu/msie.htm


User currently offlineBurnsie28 From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 7547 posts, RR: 8
Reply 13, posted (10 years 3 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 8650 times:

Actually Av8trxx, they do care what school, in fact airlines have lowered the number of hourse greatly needed to work for them if you attend UND, and although have not been lowered as much, same goes for ERAU. If airlines didnt care where you went to school then why would they have "preferred schools"  Big grin


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User currently offlineKFLLCFII From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 3303 posts, RR: 30
Reply 14, posted (10 years 3 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 8598 times:

Jfkaua,

First, let me start by saying that I attended ERAU (Daytona Beach campus) and graduated with a Bachelor's Degree in Aeronautical Science (flight) this past May, and I can give you a very accurate description of the information you're looking for. One note: since I am not that framiliar with Flight Safety or UND, I will not try to speculate what goes on there, nor try to bash them in any way because they are also extremely reputable schools; I will only focus on ERAU.

Admissions requirements (http://www.erau.edu/db/admissions/faq.html) :

"When evaluating an applicant for admission, Embry-Riddle takes into consideration a student's high school academic record (both courses taken and overall grade point average), standardized test scores (SAT or ACT), and rank in class, and activities.
High school students are advised to prepare for Embry-Riddle by having taken three years of math and three years of science. Students should have a background in algebra, geometry, and trigonometry. Chemistry and physics are the preferred science courses. Students interested in engineering should take an additional year of mathematics and, if possible, an engineering design course.
Students may be required to take a math placement test before registration."

**The average SAT score around campus seemed to be somewhere around 1200.

My total costs over four years (Appx): $128,000

Food: $6,700
Tuition: $72,000 (Raised from first year - $7,250/sem. to $9,350/sem. fourth year)
Housing: $18,000 (On campus first three years, leased an apt. fourth year)
Misc. Fees: $2,600 (SGA fee, IT fee, etc.)
Flight Courses: $28,700 ($6,800 private, $7,000 instrument, $7,700 comm'l, $7,200 multi)

**Keep in mind that these costs increased from year to year, and I'm sure they'll be even higher by the time you are in college.

Campus Life:

Sunny year-round (with the occasional thunderstorm in the Summer, and the occasional cold-front passage in the Winter)...Average Summer temp: 85-95, average winter temp: 60-70 with a few cold nights down to the 30's. There aren't too many girls on campus, but that situation is improving...many more beachside. Mid October is Biketoberfest, late Feb. is Speedweeks over at the speedway (just on the other side of the airport), and the entire month of March includes Spring Break, Bike Week, and Black College Reunion. Don't expect to get much sleep during any of this.

The campus itself is pretty big, although everything is still within walking distance of eachother. Some people choose to ride bikes, skateboards, or rollerblades (which can all be done year-round!) The greatest thing that I can say about the campus is that since the entire university is aviation-related, there will never be anyone to criticize your love for aviation. Everyone there shares a common bond. In fact, you can tell that you're at an aviation school because as soon as you hear the roar of a departing jet, every single person stops whatever they're doing to just get a glimpse of it. You'll also never be stumped as to what type of plane it was, because there will always be a few people nearby to call out "Lear 31!"

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Academics:

This is what sets ERAU apart from any other aviation route. The previous posts in this thread and other threads are correct in saying that you can get your certificates and ratings on the side from practically anywhere for significantly less money, while pursuing a degree at a standard university. Unfortunately, although you may have the required certificates and ratings toward an aviation career, you may actually have little or none of the knowledge pertaining to complex, high-tech aircraft and high-speed/high-altitude aerodynamics that airlines require before even applying. Aside from the military route, this information is scarcely taught ANYWHERE. For this reason, ERAU has semester-long courses dedicated to each aspect. These courses include Jet Transport Systems (specifically using the B747-400 for the course, using airline-styled computer-based training), Electronic Navigation Systems (B757/767 and B747-400 FMSs), Aerodynamics (including Mach tuck, dutch roll, sonic booms, etc.), Turbines (operation, components, varieties, calculations of thrust, fuel consumption, etc.), Flight Physiology (high-altitude), two sem's of Meteorology, Flying techniques of transport-category aircraft (takeoff, climb and descent profiles, landing, etc.), and the list goes on.

Flight department:

One word: strict. There is a reason that the school charges students $100 for the first no-show, $200 for the second, $400 for the third (and withdrawl from the flight course). If students are going to be professional during their careers, then they must learn to do so before they even get to that point. (did I mention that it is considered a no-show when the student fails to arrive for a flight later than 30 minutes early!!! In the plane, the atmosphere is just like that of an airline cockpit: Sterile cockpit on the ground until reaching a safe altitude. While in flight, a "positive exchange of flight controls" is used if the student needs to give the controls to the instructor (or vice-versa) by verbally stating "you have the flight controls", the instructor states "I have the flight controls", and the student finally verifies again "you have the flight controls". Landings must be within three feet of the runway centerline. A weight and balance is done before every flight, and and all flows are backed up by the checklist. Taxiing across intersections is accomplished by verbally acknowledging "cleared left", "cleared right" (as appropriate), and when on the university ramp, the speed shall not be any faster than a slow walk. If you are looking to be trained to fly how the airlines expect you to fly (and not how you'd fly when you're just out to get a $100 hamburger), ERAU is the place.

Well i think that sums it up. I hope I've helped you a little more with your decision, and good luck in the near future. Feel free to email me if you have any more questions: BPeterson@eraualumni.org

(Note: edited to insert pictures)

[Edited 2004-09-11 06:02:03]


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User currently offlineAa757first From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3350 posts, RR: 8
Reply 15, posted (10 years 3 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 8585 times:

Kalakaua,

Those are the old SATs. The 2004-2005 academic year is the last year the 1600 SAT exam will be taken. The new score is based on a 3200 (I think) scale.

AAndrew


User currently offlineJfkaua From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 1000 posts, RR: 3
Reply 16, posted (10 years 3 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 8570 times:

I really wish they would explain the new SAT better... I will be taking it in Spring 2005 and I feel I know nothing about it. I took the old one and got 1114 on it but that was the PSAT and I was a sophmore and had never opened an SAT book in my life... I know what I need to work on is grammer and writing... the math i did fine on
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Q: What will the new SAT scores look like?
The new SAT will have three scores, each on the familiar scale of 200-800. Your score will include writing (W 200-800), mathematics (M 200-800), and critical reading (CR 200-800).

Your math and reading scores can be compared to the existing math and verbal scores. This is something colleges need for consistency in admissions requirements. However, the SAT writing score is completely new.

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also what are the requirments regaurding financial aid in general.. just curious if I have any chance of getting anything.

[Edited 2004-09-11 06:09:23]

[Edited 2004-09-11 06:12:20]

User currently offlineJfkaua From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 1000 posts, RR: 3
Reply 17, posted (10 years 1 week 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 8512 times:

Another school I have been looking at is Florida Institute Of Technology... Anyone have experience or tips or information on this school? Thanks

User currently offlineFlybyguy From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 1801 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (10 years 1 week 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 8499 times:

Hi Jfkaua,

With your great SATs and presumably good high school grades to match, why not go Engineering (Aeronautical or Aerospace) at a prestigious university? You could always earn a pilot's license on the side (that's what I'm doing). I'm sure with your SATs alone you can be a shoe-in for Stanford, Berkeley, Harvard, Princeton, Yale, MIT, Caltech, etc.

Most of those schools offer Mechanical Engineering, I think Stanford offers Mechanical & Aerospace. So does Cornell. Engineering is a very traditional field and is highly stable. Starting salaries for engineers range from 40k - 60k.

Whatever school you choose, I advise you to visit your main prospect at the least, you will be glad you did. The airplane fare is certainly worth seeing the place you will be living at for the next 4 years.

Choose wisely. This is your future, after all.



"Are you a pretender... or a thoroughbred?!" - Professor Matt Miller
User currently offlineCorey07850 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 2527 posts, RR: 5
Reply 19, posted (10 years 1 week 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 8489 times:

I apologize for changing the topic, but does anyone know what the new hangars are for next to Sheriff's Aviation??? Also, what is the new construction for next to the CoEx gates??

User currently offlineJfkaua From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 1000 posts, RR: 3
Reply 20, posted (10 years 1 week 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 8451 times:

I don't know I just don't see myself being as intrested in engineering really... I like to have alot of interaction with people and I like every aspect of civil aviation.. from the airports, the movement of people, the size, and speed of aircraft, the complexity... everything. I am also very good at IT stuff... Last year my school actually let me teach a web class while I was in tenth grade... I think what I really want to do is Major in something in the aviation field and then minor in something in the IT field... this way I could still do freelance work on the web which I already do...

User currently offlineMNeo From Bulgaria, joined Mar 2004, 776 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (10 years 1 week 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 8439 times:

As im also looking at ERAU is it possible to major in both pilot and aviation business(management)

I also know that there is a aviation school at LGA anyone have any more info about it

[Edited 2004-09-20 03:51:58]


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User currently offlineCorey07850 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 2527 posts, RR: 5
Reply 22, posted (10 years 1 week 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 8422 times:

I don't believe you can double major, but you can Major in business and minor in flight...

User currently offlineTWA902fly From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 3128 posts, RR: 4
Reply 23, posted (10 years 1 week 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 8410 times:

MNeo, Corey07850.. I am majoring in Aviation management, and i am going through the whole four year flying program. However its still only one major, at UND here you can double-major in Commercial Aviation (Pilot) and Aviation Management, since it requires only a couple extra classes. I have met a few people who are double majoring in those two.

TWA902



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User currently offlineJAXpax From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (10 years 1 week 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 8399 times:

One word: strict.... ..... If you are looking to be trained to fly how the airlines expect you to fly (and not how you'd fly when you're just out to get a $100 hamburger), ERAU is the place.

Sounds like any other number of flight schools... Florida Tech, Jacksonville University/Comair Academy (where you'll actually have a job after you get done), Flight Safety, Pan Am Academy, etc.


25 Jfkaua : I see alot of people are saying the UND... I know this isn't the primary thing I should be making my decision on... but I am a very social person and
26 Post contains images Mm320cap : Jfkaua and MNeo, I went to the University of Vermont for a year and a half before transferring to ERAU-Daytona. I went through the same decision makin
27 N1120a : Last I checked, Flight Safety was just a flight school, while ERAU is a university (with 2 campuses, 1 in DAB and the other in Prescott, AZ). The thin
28 Jfkaua : alright... if I decide I am deffinantly going into aviation to become a pilot... does it save me money or equal the same amount if i get my privates n
29 Gnomon : FWIW, I would strongly echo the suggestions above that you get a degree and not just a $100,000+ piece of paper that lets you fly airplanes. That won'
30 NWA Man : The new score is based on a 3200 (I think) scale. Nope - 2400. So an old 1400 is like a new 2100. Regards, N-Dub
31 Av8trxx : Actually Av8trxx, they do care what school, in fact airlines have lowered the number of hourse greatly needed to work for them if you attend UND, and
32 Cancidas : Disadvantage to UND: its North Dakota. What the f is there to do in north dakota. cow tipping. at least that's what we did in PRC at riddle.
33 FedExDC-10 : One place to consider is Middle Tennessee State University. http://mtsu32.mtsu.edu:11662/home.htm The tuition is reasonable, Middle Tennessee is a won
34 Type-rated : Actually Av8trxx, they do care what school, in fact airlines have lowered the number of hourse greatly needed to work for them if you attend UND, and
35 UtilianPilot07 : Hello, I'm 14 and I have been to both ERAU and FIT in Florida. I find ERAU as a way nicer looking place then FIT. When I went on a tour of both school
36 ORDflyer : does it save me money or equal the same amount if i get my privates now? That's something that you'll hear different answers on, and you may want to l
37 Av8trxx : Type-rated, what you say is very true. However the point Burnsie28 was making (in comments we both addressed) is that some universities have bridge pr
38 Type-rated : With my post, I was trying to emphasize the point that if you graduate from UND, you are NOT guaranteed a job with any airline. Burnsie28 makes it so
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