Jfkaua From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 1000 posts, RR: 3 Posted (9 years 3 months 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 7395 times:
Hey, I know schools have been discussed on here over and over, and I have read them all... I am now in my Junior year and I am rather sure I want to go into the aviation field. The two main schools I was looking at was flight safety academy and embry riddle. On my SAT'S I am expecting around 1300-1400 on the current one and around 2100 on the new one. For total tuition my parents have told me I have around 80,000-90,000. I know that the field doesn't start out with high pay and that doesn't really bother me much as long as I can earn a decent amount after ten years (40-50k maybe?) I was wondering what exactly are the differences between these two schools... What are the requirements, tuitions, advantages, and disadvantages of each of them and are their any others I should be looking at? Also how big are each of these schools and what are the campus's like? Thanks for your help
Theiler From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 633 posts, RR: 1 Reply 4, posted (9 years 3 months 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 7353 times:
I believe that Flight Safety offers much more Jet training than other schools. They train a significant number of corporate pilots (type-rating central!) I didn't even realize they had an introductory program.
Transition training to jets may be easier with them, as a student would be somewhat familiar with the teaching methods (I suppose), but that's mere speculation on my part.
Burnsie28 From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 7479 posts, RR: 9 Reply 6, posted (9 years 3 months 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 7339 times:
Embry Tuition a year is $21,530 plus student fees of another $715, plus books, figure about $1000 a year. Plus Room and boared of $3190. So year before flight costs is $25,435 X 4= $101,740 for 4 years, plus flight costs estimated at $10,000 a year is another 40,000 so your total for 4 years at Embry would be estimated at $141,740, where at UND your looking around 80-90K.
As for admissions, UND requires a HS GPA of 2.5 and an ACT score of 22 I forget what SAT equivelent is, but ACT is a better test to take. UND has something like 19,000 students, plays Division 1-A ice hockey which is usually ranked in the top 5 in the nation, and plays regular Division 2 sports. ERAU has no sports and really no activities. UND has a large and very nice looking campus, while I cant speak for ERAU. I would highly suggest a Campus visit to UND in Grand Forks, keep in mind NW is the only one to fly there, and sometimes, can be a bit pricey, if it is try Fargo, a 1hr drive down the road, wont be too much better, but UA Express is also there. Sometimes however GFK is cheaper then Fargo. Disadvantage, is its cold at UND, however, you will have plenty of opportunity to fly there, as Embry weather is warm, however, you can see what kind of things may happen when hurricanes hit the Daytona Beach area. My suggestion is UND. Also I dont think you will have 10 years to pay off students loans, i think normally its about 5 years.
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Err sorry, for some reason it wouldnt actively link the website for UND, for the main school and all the info you need its www.und.edu and for the aviation department its www.aero.und.edu
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DesertJets From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 7718 posts, RR: 17 Reply 8, posted (9 years 3 months 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 7321 times:
There is more than just ERAU and UND when it comes to schools that have aviation programs. And neither place is especially cheap either. Not to mention neither one has an outstanding academic reputation as well.
Take your time and research ALL of your options... including going to a non-aviation oriented school and pursuing your flight training in your free-time. And try to look at as many schools that offer aviation programs as well. A few of them are at universities that have a pretty good rep as well.
Seeing that you are in NYS may I suggest SUNY Farmingdale. Helluva lot cheaper than ERAU and UND and they have an aviation program.
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Ramerinianair From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 1486 posts, RR: 0 Reply 9, posted (9 years 3 months 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 7300 times:
You can get into ERAU with an SAT of a little over 1000. It depends what you are going for. Avaition; Professional Pilot is a little higher but you'll have no problem. I was accepted with an 1150.
PS ERAU is also on the DAB airport and 3 mile west of the beach!!!
Kalakaua From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 1516 posts, RR: 5 Reply 11, posted (9 years 3 months 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 7283 times:
How in hell does one get 2100 on the SAT? I thought the max was 1600? BTW, are you trying to impress us with your score and tuition money? You'd think people would be a little modest about things, nowadays... But anyway...
I'm still sick and tired of hearing these ERAU bashing... I sense some jealousy.
As for ERAUs tuition, it's all worth it. The people are always there to cut corners and help you succeed. After all, ERAU wants to and does produce the best professionals. My tuition was originally $28,000 (as an BSAE), but after, it was $19,000 with all the same things(classes, dorms, etc...) And I had to submit my first SAT score of 850 (I'm seriously not kidding...), and I still got accepted. But hell, I had 1250 on the second one. I come from a not-so-well to do family, but I worked my ass off at ERAU, and in the eyes of my colleagues, I'm a success! And we absolutely have an outstanding academic reputation! Whoever said that we don't, must be high. And we certainly have more connection, after all we do produce the best Aerospace Engineers and Pilots, according to U.S. News, and Flight Competitions... And as for UND, they're great... Several of my friends are going there, but if you really want people to know that you came from a specialized university dedicated to aviation and the science, go to ERAU! Engineers, pilots, Aviation business admin., GSIS, etc... should all be working together. That's why I chose ERAU.
Av8trxx From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 657 posts, RR: 7 Reply 12, posted (9 years 3 months 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 7269 times:
"There is more than just ERAU and UND when it comes to schools that have aviation programs...Take your time and research ALL of your options... including going to a non-aviation oriented school and pursuing your flight training in your free-time. And try to look at as many schools that offer aviation programs as well."
DesertJets offers excellent words of wisdom! I second them heartily! Airlines don't care about school names when you get to your interview. They care about what's in your logbook. Granted some programs do have 'affiliations' with airlines but nothing is guaranteed (except maybe an interview with some routes). You can get to the same end no matter which way you go about it and be more or less in debt depending on how you do it.
Burnsie28 From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 7479 posts, RR: 9 Reply 13, posted (9 years 3 months 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 7262 times:
Actually Av8trxx, they do care what school, in fact airlines have lowered the number of hourse greatly needed to work for them if you attend UND, and although have not been lowered as much, same goes for ERAU. If airlines didnt care where you went to school then why would they have "preferred schools"
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KFLLCFII From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 3283 posts, RR: 32 Reply 14, posted (9 years 3 months 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 7210 times:
First, let me start by saying that I attended ERAU (Daytona Beach campus) and graduated with a Bachelor's Degree in Aeronautical Science (flight) this past May, and I can give you a very accurate description of the information you're looking for. One note: since I am not that framiliar with Flight Safety or UND, I will not try to speculate what goes on there, nor try to bash them in any way because they are also extremely reputable schools; I will only focus on ERAU.
"When evaluating an applicant for admission, Embry-Riddle takes into consideration a student's high school academic record (both courses taken and overall grade point average), standardized test scores (SAT or ACT), and rank in class, and activities.
High school students are advised to prepare for Embry-Riddle by having taken three years of math and three years of science. Students should have a background in algebra, geometry, and trigonometry. Chemistry and physics are the preferred science courses. Students interested in engineering should take an additional year of mathematics and, if possible, an engineering design course.
Students may be required to take a math placement test before registration."
**The average SAT score around campus seemed to be somewhere around 1200.
My total costs over four years (Appx): $128,000
Tuition: $72,000 (Raised from first year - $7,250/sem. to $9,350/sem. fourth year)
Housing: $18,000 (On campus first three years, leased an apt. fourth year)
Misc. Fees: $2,600 (SGA fee, IT fee, etc.)
Flight Courses: $28,700 ($6,800 private, $7,000 instrument, $7,700 comm'l, $7,200 multi)
**Keep in mind that these costs increased from year to year, and I'm sure they'll be even higher by the time you are in college.
Sunny year-round (with the occasional thunderstorm in the Summer, and the occasional cold-front passage in the Winter)...Average Summer temp: 85-95, average winter temp: 60-70 with a few cold nights down to the 30's. There aren't too many girls on campus, but that situation is improving...many more beachside. Mid October is Biketoberfest, late Feb. is Speedweeks over at the speedway (just on the other side of the airport), and the entire month of March includes Spring Break, Bike Week, and Black College Reunion. Don't expect to get much sleep during any of this.
The campus itself is pretty big, although everything is still within walking distance of eachother. Some people choose to ride bikes, skateboards, or rollerblades (which can all be done year-round!) The greatest thing that I can say about the campus is that since the entire university is aviation-related, there will never be anyone to criticize your love for aviation. Everyone there shares a common bond. In fact, you can tell that you're at an aviation school because as soon as you hear the roar of a departing jet, every single person stops whatever they're doing to just get a glimpse of it. You'll also never be stumped as to what type of plane it was, because there will always be a few people nearby to call out "Lear 31!"
This is what sets ERAU apart from any other aviation route. The previous posts in this thread and other threads are correct in saying that you can get your certificates and ratings on the side from practically anywhere for significantly less money, while pursuing a degree at a standard university. Unfortunately, although you may have the required certificates and ratings toward an aviation career, you may actually have little or none of the knowledge pertaining to complex, high-tech aircraft and high-speed/high-altitude aerodynamics that airlines require before even applying. Aside from the military route, this information is scarcely taught ANYWHERE. For this reason, ERAU has semester-long courses dedicated to each aspect. These courses include Jet Transport Systems (specifically using the B747-400 for the course, using airline-styled computer-based training), Electronic Navigation Systems (B757/767 and B747-400 FMSs), Aerodynamics (including Mach tuck, dutch roll, sonic booms, etc.), Turbines (operation, components, varieties, calculations of thrust, fuel consumption, etc.), Flight Physiology (high-altitude), two sem's of Meteorology, Flying techniques of transport-category aircraft (takeoff, climb and descent profiles, landing, etc.), and the list goes on.
One word: strict. There is a reason that the school charges students $100 for the first no-show, $200 for the second, $400 for the third (and withdrawl from the flight course). If students are going to be professional during their careers, then they must learn to do so before they even get to that point. (did I mention that it is considered a no-show when the student fails to arrive for a flight later than 30 minutes early!!! In the plane, the atmosphere is just like that of an airline cockpit: Sterile cockpit on the ground until reaching a safe altitude. While in flight, a "positive exchange of flight controls" is used if the student needs to give the controls to the instructor (or vice-versa) by verbally stating "you have the flight controls", the instructor states "I have the flight controls", and the student finally verifies again "you have the flight controls". Landings must be within three feet of the runway centerline. A weight and balance is done before every flight, and and all flows are backed up by the checklist. Taxiing across intersections is accomplished by verbally acknowledging "cleared left", "cleared right" (as appropriate), and when on the university ramp, the speed shall not be any faster than a slow walk. If you are looking to be trained to fly how the airlines expect you to fly (and not how you'd fly when you're just out to get a $100 hamburger), ERAU is the place.
Well i think that sums it up. I hope I've helped you a little more with your decision, and good luck in the near future. Feel free to email me if you have any more questions: BPeterson@eraualumni.org
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Jfkaua From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 1000 posts, RR: 3 Reply 16, posted (9 years 3 months 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 7182 times:
I really wish they would explain the new SAT better... I will be taking it in Spring 2005 and I feel I know nothing about it. I took the old one and got 1114 on it but that was the PSAT and I was a sophmore and had never opened an SAT book in my life... I know what I need to work on is grammer and writing... the math i did fine on
Q: What will the new SAT scores look like?
The new SAT will have three scores, each on the familiar scale of 200-800. Your score will include writing (W 200-800), mathematics (M 200-800), and critical reading (CR 200-800).
Your math and reading scores can be compared to the existing math and verbal scores. This is something colleges need for consistency in admissions requirements. However, the SAT writing score is completely new.
also what are the requirments regaurding financial aid in general.. just curious if I have any chance of getting anything.
Flybyguy From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 1796 posts, RR: 1 Reply 18, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 7111 times:
With your great SATs and presumably good high school grades to match, why not go Engineering (Aeronautical or Aerospace) at a prestigious university? You could always earn a pilot's license on the side (that's what I'm doing). I'm sure with your SATs alone you can be a shoe-in for Stanford, Berkeley, Harvard, Princeton, Yale, MIT, Caltech, etc.
Most of those schools offer Mechanical Engineering, I think Stanford offers Mechanical & Aerospace. So does Cornell. Engineering is a very traditional field and is highly stable. Starting salaries for engineers range from 40k - 60k.
Whatever school you choose, I advise you to visit your main prospect at the least, you will be glad you did. The airplane fare is certainly worth seeing the place you will be living at for the next 4 years.
Choose wisely. This is your future, after all.
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Jfkaua From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 1000 posts, RR: 3 Reply 20, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 7063 times:
I don't know I just don't see myself being as intrested in engineering really... I like to have alot of interaction with people and I like every aspect of civil aviation.. from the airports, the movement of people, the size, and speed of aircraft, the complexity... everything. I am also very good at IT stuff... Last year my school actually let me teach a web class while I was in tenth grade... I think what I really want to do is Major in something in the aviation field and then minor in something in the IT field... this way I could still do freelance work on the web which I already do...
TWA902fly From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 3082 posts, RR: 4 Reply 23, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 7022 times:
MNeo, Corey07850.. I am majoring in Aviation management, and i am going through the whole four year flying program. However its still only one major, at UND here you can double-major in Commercial Aviation (Pilot) and Aviation Management, since it requires only a couple extra classes. I have met a few people who are double majoring in those two.
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