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What Next For DFW W/o Delta?  
User currently offlineDrerx7 From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5173 posts, RR: 8
Posted (9 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 5794 times:

I expected Delta to downsize DFW; but I did not expect it to go all the way down to 3 cities. What will happen at DFW next? I assume that lowfare carriers, particularly AirTran, and American will bolster service at DFW to soak up the new capacity. My guess is that AA will announce more flights than those previously announced, especially since a good number of those 70 flights were the resumption of mainline service from Eagle. Will Delta increase capacity through IAH (SkyTeam) as a side effect?


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User currently offlineJayDavis From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 2000 posts, RR: 16
Reply 1, posted (9 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 5608 times:

If I were DFW Airport, I'd be giving JetBlue a call, no doubt. One could also say that I'd even go call on Southwest to see if they want to operate a few flights out of DFW. Possibly even contact WestJet, maybe IndyAir.........

AirTran doesn't have the means to bring in a ton of flights right now, they are hurting for aircraft.



Jay


User currently offlineAIR757200 From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 1579 posts, RR: 7
Reply 2, posted (9 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 5602 times:


Well, AA is increasing its presence (70 additional departures (of which 35 are mainline) by 10% in DFW by summer 2005.


User currently offlineHB-IWC From Indonesia, joined Sep 2000, 4503 posts, RR: 72
Reply 3, posted (9 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 5578 times:

The JetBlue's and Westjets of this world, with say two or three flights a day each, will not compensate the hole left by Delta. American will most likely fill at least 75% of the gap...



User currently offlineUnitedTristar From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (9 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 5564 times:

AirTran doesn't have the means to bring in a ton of flights right now, they are hurting for aircraft.


I am sure if they wanted to they could get some 717 real easy from Pembroke(if that's how you spell their name) or Boeing.

-m

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User currently offlineAa61hvy From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 13977 posts, RR: 57
Reply 5, posted (9 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 5556 times:

Where is DL going to fly to from DFW now?
ATL I'd assume, CVG and MCO?



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User currently offlineJayDavis From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 2000 posts, RR: 16
Reply 6, posted (9 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 5508 times:

No, you CANNOT just get B-717's very easily. It still takes time to manufacture them and I think most of them are already spoken for. As for the other low-cost carriers I mentioned above, if I were a DFW Airport representative, I'd be trying to get every low cost carrier I could find to fill up some of the capacity. I have a weird feeling that DFW is going to turn into another MSP or DTW with no competition..................AirTran isn't big enough to compete with AA out of DFW, yet.


Jay


User currently onlineMSYtristar From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 6560 posts, RR: 51
Reply 7, posted (9 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 5491 times:

The DFW flight schedule will probably look something like this:

ATL: 10x daily
CVG: 5x daily
SLC: 6x daily

That's asusming they will offer only 21 flight to 3 destinations.

Man, I knew they would cut DFW, but not THAT much. Wow.


User currently offlineHB-IWC From Indonesia, joined Sep 2000, 4503 posts, RR: 72
Reply 8, posted (9 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 5482 times:

Where is DL going to fly to from DFW now?
ATL I'd assume, CVG and MCO?


And not SLC?



User currently offlineAIR757200 From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 1579 posts, RR: 7
Reply 9, posted (9 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 5483 times:


were a DFW Airport representative, I'd be trying to get every low cost carrier I could find to fill up some of the capacity

It could be a DTW situation whereas NW pretty much tells the folks how to run the airport... I'm sure it's the same in DFW with AA.


User currently offlineAA623BDLSJU From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 354 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (9 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 5457 times:

WOW!!! I am dumbfounded, really.

I had a feeling that DL was going to downsize, but not remove basically its entire service with exception the flights from its hubs.

DFW will become a hub for another airline. It's just a matter or who and when.


User currently offlineDrerx7 From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5173 posts, RR: 8
Reply 11, posted (9 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 5413 times:

I don't think AA anticipated this much Delta scale back either--it makes their 10% increase negligible; they'll no doubt bring in a lot of new flights.


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User currently offlineAa61hvy From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 13977 posts, RR: 57
Reply 12, posted (9 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 5349 times:

HB- I said MCO over SLC because I know MCO brings in alot of revenue. DL used to fly 757, 762, 763 on this route so it obviously brough in money. I can't imagine there being a huge demand for DFW-SLC, though I know that is one of DL's hubs.


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User currently offlineOPNLguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (9 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 5315 times:

Just FWIW, I saw another thread on another board which brought up the question of what will happen to DL's hanger and maintenance facilities on the east side of the airport. Theoreticaaly, they could still retain it, and cycle aircraft in for work, even with only 21 daily flights. Various posters said it would be sold to UPS, AA, or AirTran....

We'll see...


User currently offlineDrerx7 From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5173 posts, RR: 8
Reply 14, posted (9 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 5290 times:

This also leaves about 23-25 gates vacant at DFW


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User currently offlineJayDavis From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 2000 posts, RR: 16
Reply 15, posted (9 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 5271 times:

As I had said earlier in previous post, the Chairman of the Board at DFW Airport was quoted in The Dallas Morning News stating that the cuts coming at DFW for DL would be with an ax, not a knife. I think he should now rephrase that into the cuts coming with a chain-saw.

Never in my life would I have expected this many cuts from DL at DFW. What a shame too, as it used to be their second largest hub. Non-stops to HNL, FRA, LGW (I think???) etc. A ton of L-1011's. Wow !!


Jay


User currently offlineAa61hvy From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 13977 posts, RR: 57
Reply 16, posted (9 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 5266 times:

I don't think AA needs another hanger. Their west side hangers are huge. UPS could use something though, they have alot of planes at DFW


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User currently offlineJayDavis From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 2000 posts, RR: 16
Reply 17, posted (9 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 5221 times:

Actually, AA doesn't need another "hangar".

I had heard when I worked for AirTran briefly, that they were trying to open up a maintenance base here. They are bringing on four mechanics to work on their planes overnight at the gates beginning in January according to a friend of mine.


Jay


User currently offlineDeltaffindfw From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 1440 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (9 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 5197 times:


The satellite terminal at E would be a great place for Airtran. You could bring the jetbridges back and have 8 or 9 gates. Also, then you have the ramp area just south of there that ASA & CO use now.


User currently offlineERJ170 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 6763 posts, RR: 17
Reply 19, posted (9 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 5192 times:

I heard a "rumor" that DL/Comair may be opening a hanger at RDU.. on the books to be built within the next 18 months.. capable of maintenance on 8 RJ or 3 757.. perhaps RDU could be seeing a Song flight or N/S to SLC soon?


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User currently offlineATLhomeCMH From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 770 posts, RR: 3
Reply 20, posted (9 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 5148 times:

Like others have said: AirTran can't hang w/ AA in their own backyard. They may add a few extra flights, but nothing substantial enough to eat up 25 gates. AA will claim most of those gates, surely.

Thus, a DTW situation, as others have said, is entirely possible.



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User currently offlineDeltaffindfw From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 1440 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (9 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 5083 times:


AA probably will not claim those gates. Most likely, AA will take over gates at B and have the other airlines move to E. Term. E is not connected to the rest of the airport by any walkways (like A, B, C and soon to be D are), so it wouldn't be a good fit for them.


User currently offlineL104me From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 105 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (9 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 5068 times:



I went on Delta. com, and the new schedules are loaded. Even with all the revenue AA61Hvy mention...Orlando is not on the list! Looks like only flying to the hubs!

Have fun flying on American when you go see Mickey!


User currently offlineStirling From Italy, joined Jun 2004, 3943 posts, RR: 21
Reply 23, posted (9 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 5003 times:

When does the new schedule begin?

This is terrible news for the immediate future, but trust me it will get better.

I can't see AA taking the DL gates. Logistically not a good fit with the current operations. But 25 gates is a lot of gates.
Reminds me of when Braniff shut down. It opened the door to other carriers to enter the market. I believe UA was one of them.



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User currently offlinePROSA From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 5644 posts, RR: 4
Reply 24, posted (9 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 4967 times:

Is there a chance that WN would add significant operations at DFW, as a means of getting around the Wright Amendment? Maintaining their dominance at DAL while becoming a signifcant operator at DFW would make them an even tougher competitor to AA.


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25 Scottb : AA won't need the gates in Terminal E; they'll be leasing 20 gates in the new Terminal D. The international carriers currently using Terminal B will m
26 ATA L1011 : Wow this is way more than expected, wow I was hoping that they kept a few flts a day to its busiest destinations from DFW like LAX. I'm sure the flts
27 Drerx7 : I doubt you'll see Southwest at DFW, they aren't trying to "get around" the Wright Amendment. They've operated with it for 30+ years and are content w
28 Aa61hvy : Perhaps AA will beef up daily flights or upgrade aircrafts to certain airports to pick up the slack left by DL places that come to mind are: MCO, FLL,
29 Thrust : Well, even if DL nearly killed their service to DFW, I doubt it is going to have an enormous effect...AA had a huge monopoly on there anyway, and they
30 Aa777jr : Any of DL departing flights out of DFW international? AA777jr
31 RCS763av : Maybe DL will bring Song for flights to JFK, MCO and FLL?
32 Jmsintexas : I am probably going to get slammed for this, especially since just about everyone on this board is blinded by their love of commercial aviation (even
33 N160LH : Just a little thought... DL has control of the gates in E until 2009, which when the lease is up. So you can put away the idea FL or anybody else doin
34 MAH4546 : I am probably going to get slammed for this, especially since just about everyone on this board is blinded by their love of commercial aviation (even
35 Refueler1974 : I have a dumb question about this situation.....how will this affect the ASA (delta connection) flights into DFW?? Will this mean a drastic cutback of
36 MSYtristar : DFW will survive just fine beng a "one hub airport". You'll see a smattering of new flights by FL, etc, but don't expect a huge buildup.
37 MAH4546 : I have a dumb question about this situation.....how will this affect the ASA (delta connection) flights into DFW?? They are all gone. No more Delta RJ
38 Post contains images NWA Man : AEX-SLC Alexandria, LA - Salt Lake City? Now that's crazy talk. Just a little thought... DL has control of the gates in E until 2009, which when the l
39 SuperDash : AirTran is a likely big winner at DFW. Of course they have planes. They ain't 717s folks, they are new gen 737s. I would expect AirTran to pick up a b
40 UAXDXer : Exactly! The airline market has too much capacity and too many hubs for the mainline carriers to operate in a healthy manner. This cut is good for the
41 Post contains images Refueler1974 : I guess this means that we will be strictly operating AEX-ATL and ATL-AEX flights for ASA.....   We were told that as ASA slowly shuts down DFW fligh
42 Njdevilsin03 : If the slc have been leaked what are they haha?
43 MSYtristar : I hope AEX-ATL will see some increased frequency. Perhaps some CRJ-700 service at least. It looks like many smaller Southcentral cities will be losing
44 Refueler1974 : MSYtristar - I could have sworn that I have seen some Louisiana Air Caravan's doing proving runs into MSY for at least the past week. You Have? We ha
45 MAH4546 : If the slc have been leaked what are they haha? Mainline to Tampa, Lauderdale, Maui, New Orleans, Steamboat Springs, and Cabo San Lucas. Connection to
46 AirStatDFW : I Don't think the airport is going to allow Delta to sit on the gates they are not using. They will make Delta redo the lease and only lease the gates
47 LY4XELD : Exactly! The airline market has too much capacity and too many hubs for the mainline carriers to operate in a healthy manner. This cut is good for the
48 MAH4546 : Keep in mind DFW airport is a business entity and needs to make money for itself, let alone the airlines that serve the airport. Obviously, but that d
49 ERJ170 : Let's be for real.. DFW is AA country... everybody knows that. Unless you have a strong airline right now, the likelyhood of someone wanting to take o
50 Flairport : I am still shocked that DL didn't keep DFW-FLL, LAX, SFO, MCO, JFK...FLL is a popular liesure destination (and has a lot of competition with FL in the
51 B4real : I would not at all be surprised if within 1 year of this - assuming a positive trend and operational/financial improvement with the company as a whole
52 DfwRevolution : They've operated with it for 30+ years and are content with their protected ops at Love Field-besides they have more profitable stations at LAS, HOU,
53 Aa777jr : So who is gonna absorb DL assets when it crashes and burns? AA777jr
54 Brons2 : Passing up DFW could be like passing up JFK I agree. The time is NOW for WN at DFW. They could probably snap up 10 gates DIRT CHEAP. Flights to LAX, M
55 Post contains images B4real : Does anyone know if there will be at least one DL Crown Room remaining DFW? I would imagine DL to keep the gates around E7-E12, maybe only to 10. 3 ga
56 Ord : "Really, at that point DFW is like any other station, and if the money is there for a route, they will put it there. LAX, MCO, FLL, JFK would be my be
57 Bartond : I wouldn't say that losing Delta means that "DFW is dead for good." That's probably taking it a bit too far.
58 Post contains images ATLhomeCMH : As I said previously and others have said, AA will probably eat up some of the gates...FL could stand to gain a few, too. The rest may just have to si
59 Ord : "I wouldn't say that losing Delta means that "DFW is dead for good." That's probably taking it a bit too far." My mistake, I realize my comment was mi
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