Dsuairptman From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 933 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (11 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 6256 times:
I question what DL will fly in the 100 seat arena if the ax the 732 .
Obuviusly that's a gap way to big for an airline to operate (CRJ-700 w/ 70 seats vs. MD80 w/ 140-50 seats) without compesanting for the markets in between these sizes, so the question becomes, after the retirements, what type will DL introduce to fill the 100-125 seat gap?
Akjetblue From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 790 posts, RR: 5
Reply 8, posted (11 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 6206 times:
Actually selling the 777 would make sense as they are relativly new so they could get some serious money for them and they only operate a few of the type. DL has deffered a number of the 777 orders keeping the number of them in the fleet low. The 767-300 could operate on most the routes the currently fly across the atlantic.
Dalmd88 From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 2877 posts, RR: 14
Reply 11, posted (11 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 5988 times:
737-3G, yes it is a different type, flying only on shuttle routes. Pilots have to be certified for this specific type.
Not Md88, spending too much on new interior, too large of a fleet to replace, and we own many of them.
Not Md90 They require a specific type to fly but they do the job in some markets and yes they are owned.
Not 777, need them to fly the long haul and they are the future.
When you look for possible planes to get rid of think of high cost due to age, fleet size, and if they are owned or leased.
SESGDL From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 3540 posts, RR: 9
Reply 12, posted (11 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 5789 times:
The MD-88 isn't going anywhere. DL has 120 of em' and they're the first aircraft to be refurbished. The fleet types likely going are:
Unless of course DL is counting the MD-11 as one of them, considering they still own 8. DL says they will increase flights by reducing aircraft by having better aircraft utilization, most likely quicker turn arounds and less ground time.
TOLtommy From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 3483 posts, RR: 5
Reply 13, posted (11 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 5751 times:
My bet is on 732, 733, MD90, and 777. The 762 shares fleet commonality, and when compared to a NW DC9, are still fairly young. The 777 hasn't shown it's need, since DL keeps deferring orders. The 763ER fleet can provide all the ETOPS lift they need. I personally think that China is Grinstein's pipe dream. Use the codeshare partners NW, KE and CZ to provide transpac lift, focus on your strength across the Atlantic. Especially if US goes CH7, there's money to be made on the Atlantic, and even to South America, using ATL as a connect point to catch the traffic CO won't get thru EWR and IAH.
MauriceB From Netherlands, joined Aug 2004, 2492 posts, RR: 24
Reply 14, posted (11 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 5722 times:
Guy's i think we are missing the MD-11 in all our lists, since they are still owned/stored by delta. it would really make money to get them out of the desert and lease them to other airlines or just sell them...
these types are in my ''guess retirement list''
737-200's : they are just simply old and during the high fuell costs it isn't the most profitable airliner... also the maintenance cost are really high since they are showing theire age... and a lot of them reaching the max cycles very soon i guess.
767-200: for most reasons just because its getting old and i don't think Delta really needs it, they already have 757's 767-300/400 737-300/800 and some times 777 for theire USA routes.
MD-11: still owned by delta, so guess they mean the MD-11 in theire list of ''4 types to be retired''
MD-90: they don't have to much of them and think the MD-80 could simply do the MD-90 job. since the MD-90 are very popular with airlines Like SAS they could easely catch a lot of money for them..
about the 737-300, think they will stay since the aren't to old and doing theire job's correctly
N1120a From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 29169 posts, RR: 73
Reply 15, posted (11 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 5509 times:
The thing about the 777s is that, unless the pull the 777s out of the desert, they are the only plane DL has that can do ATL-NRT, let alone china. Now they do make money on that NRT flight, so they need something.
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Spacepope From Vatican City, joined Dec 1999, 3364 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (11 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 5434 times:
Looking att his from a maintainence perspective, the first to go would be the MD-90. These have completely oddball engines (V2500) and are a relatively small fleet. Recently, the market for used MD-90s seems to be picking up, and the capacity they offer is comparable to other aircraft currently in the fleet.
737-200: These are not quite as old as people thing, some being only 16 or so years old. The basic 737 airframe has common parts with the 733, and the JT8D is not too far away from the JT8D-200s on the MD-88. The two things that would tend to keep these in the fleet are 1) low resale value on the hulls (glut of used 732s already), and 2) no other 100 seaters in the fleet.
737-300: Already addressed trhe parts comminality, and the basic CFM-56 maintanence infastructure is in place for the 738 fleet. I would actually not be suprised to see these retired before the 732s go, as the MD-88 offers capacity overlap. A big strike is the UA 733 and 735 fleet which is coming off lease and finding its way onto the second hand market.
757-200: Some of these birds are getting long in the tooth. I wouldn't be suprised to see some age related retirements to a few airframes, as some are older than the 732s.
767-200: Delta just went through a lot of trouble reactivating all the stored 767s. These are versitile, but I think we'll see the same fate as with the 752s, retirement of some of the older models. With UA and AA disposing of their 762 fleets, there is a bit of an overcapacity on the used market. If the USAF tanker deal goes through though, some may be bought for spares. Also look for impact of the 762 cargo conversion that just recently became available. This may also pick up demand in the used sector for -ER models.
The rest of the fleet will stay pretty much as is, with the exception of the MD-11 fleet which will come back in a much smaller form, especially if air cargo volumes continue to rise. Belly cargo space will be a great revenue earner for those MD-11s that haven't gone to World, been damaged (802) or back to their lessors.
DeltAirlines From United States of America, joined May 1999, 9022 posts, RR: 11
Reply 22, posted (11 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 5328 times:
Here are my definitive guesses:
737-200/300/300 Glass - The -300 can be replaced pretty easily by the MD-80 (its about another 10 seats...); the -200 will be gone by 2008, so that's another one.
767-200 - This plane is getting up there in age, some are over 20 years old already. I wouldn't be shocked if this plane went.
I think the MD-90s will stay. I have heard a rumour that they would be placing these on the Shuttle, which wouldn't be a bad thing in my opinion. They would probably seat about 140 in a single class Shuttle configuration, which would be a good capacity (about halfway between the 73Gs and 738s). They have monitors, which is good for short subject programming (they could show CNN news on that). They have the rear exit, like the old 727s, that could be used to expedite deplaning. Pretty much the only thing they would need is Powerports for laptops...
The MD-88s are here to stay. They are retrofitting them, and they are the backbone of the East Coast network. I don't see them leaving until 5 years from now at the earliest, but not anytime before then.
Syncmaster From United States of America, joined Jul 2002, 2081 posts, RR: 9
Reply 24, posted (11 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 5124 times:
Why would they announce just a few months ago that they will resume the delivery of the 777's in a few years and now get rid of them? Doesn't make sense, they aren't going anywhere, much to many peoples dismay they need them.
I would say, 732 and 762 definately. Maybe they will add some CR9's to take place of the 732, what kind of extra training do the flight crews need for CR9's as compared to the CRJ/CR7? I'm not going to speculate on the others too much, but probably the 733's (and the other "variant" of them) and MD-90 or MD-11 (if they are still counting them as being "in the fleet and needing crews for them".
Also, like others have said why would the MD-88's be going anywhere if they are going to put that kind of money into them?
We will know in due time.
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