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User currently offlineErj145lr From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 431 posts, RR: 0
Posted (9 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 3528 times:

Why is it that there are NO airlines in the US with the exception of aa and its a300's, that use larger airbuses, such as a340.?

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User currently offlineUs653 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 161 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (9 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 3491 times:

Well, US and NW both use the A330, so there are other US airlines that use the larger airbuses.

Jeff



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User currently offlineErj145lr From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 431 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (9 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 3489 times:

like who? Any with the a340?

User currently offlineUs653 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 161 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (9 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 3462 times:

No A340s, just A330s.

Jeff



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User currently offlineGigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16345 posts, RR: 86
Reply 4, posted (9 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 3455 times:

Well, and A300s. They're not tiny.

N


User currently offlineCarpethead From Japan, joined Aug 2004, 2910 posts, RR: 3
Reply 5, posted (9 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 3400 times:

Because there is no need and for each requirement the 777 was selected over the A340 such as at AA, CO, DL, & UA.
The only US airline that can have a A340 fit in its fleet would be NW, or US if it survives and that is a big IF particularly for the latter.


User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (9 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 3167 times:

Both CO and NW once ordered the A340, and both later dropped it like a bad habit.

All of the currently-existing USA airlines, with the exception of United, have operated widebody Airbuses in their time


User currently offlineTOLtommy From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 3276 posts, RR: 4
Reply 7, posted (9 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 3124 times:

I can understand why US carriers dropping the original 340 orders. But I can see where the new long range 340's might be attractive, especially to NW. NRT will get saturated again, and the 345 could be used to fly nonstop from US to Asia, and add capacity.

User currently offlineTrevD From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 327 posts, RR: 3
Reply 8, posted (9 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 3124 times:

And there was also an issue with the center fuel tank of the A340 not being certified by the FAA. Anyone know if that ever got resolved??

User currently offlineCol From Malaysia, joined Nov 2003, 2087 posts, RR: 22
Reply 9, posted (9 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 3109 times:

Don't forget Fed Ex and UPS with their 306F/310F. Also, the Freight conversion 300B operating in USA.

User currently offlineBurnsie28 From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 7503 posts, RR: 8
Reply 10, posted (9 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 3077 times:

TOLTommy- The A345 for NW would be VERY VERY UNLIKELY after what is going on within NW  Big grin


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User currently offlineLUV4JFK From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 462 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (9 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 3032 times:

Of the six major US carriers, only United never had a widebody airbus. Even Pan Am I & Pan Am II, Eastern, & Carnival had A300's in their fleet.

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User currently offlineFalcon Flyer From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 1322 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (9 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 2953 times:

Other A300 operators have included Northeastern & Presidential.


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User currently offlineIowa744fan From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 929 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (9 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 2924 times:

Don't forget that CO operated A300s for a while too. Took some from Eastern and then ordered some new. Gordon removed them from the fleet in 1997(?) I think.

TolTommy,

I doubt that NW will proceed with that path. Over the past 10 years, it seems that they have been bringing all their Asia flights back in through Tokyo and a couple to Osaka. They used to operate a few flights that bypassed Tokyo (LAX-NRT, LAX-SEL, SEA-HKG, MSP-HKG, DTW-PEK, DTW-PVG, DTW-SEL), but have since cancelled all of them and have scheduled everything through Tokyo. Did they ever fly the nonstop from DTW to Shanghai into Pudong? Or did they discontinue that while it was still at Hongqiao (is this right?)?

TWA had something going with the A330 as well. Did they actually sign a firm order? Or just a letter or intent?


User currently offlineSwissa330 From Switzerland, joined Mar 2002, 613 posts, RR: 15
Reply 14, posted (9 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 2846 times:

Delta had 310's...
And Your northerly neighbour has some...



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User currently offlineBrons2 From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 2991 posts, RR: 5
Reply 15, posted (9 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 2793 times:

NW indeed has the A333, I flew on one yesterday FRA-DTW.


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User currently offlineHlywdCatft From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 5321 posts, RR: 7
Reply 16, posted (9 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 2705 times:

Northwest still bypasses NRT with 747-400s on DTW-KIX and DTW-NGO, both are fully loaded planes daily.

User currently offlineN1120a From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26196 posts, RR: 76
Reply 17, posted (9 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 2701 times:

For crying out loud, WN is the 3rd or 4th largest airline in the world (and number one in market capital), and you people still don't call it a major!! That is my pet peeve.
As it goes, I think NW has shown a pretty clear commitment to the hub and spoke system and, with the exception of can't pass up asian flights like LAX-NRT, SFO-NRT, PDX-NRT (They got a subsidy for that one), and JFK-NRT, they seem to like to keep it simple. They fill up 744s and are actually doing ok financially (they will not be going bankrupt any time soon). Besides, perhaps it is harder to have F/As keep PAX hostage on an A340 than other planes =). TW did in fact have an A330 order signed when they went under, but they never flew them.



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User currently offlineUAL747DEN From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 2392 posts, RR: 12
Reply 18, posted (9 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 2662 times:

American Airlines ordered the A340 when it first hit the market. When they started negotiations with NW for ORD routes they transferred the order to them. Those orders were then converted into A330 orders.


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User currently offlineGigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16345 posts, RR: 86
Reply 19, posted (9 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 2575 times:

I can understand why US carriers dropping the original 340 orders.

Despite ConcordeBoy's intentionally misleading connotation, CO and NW both dropped their original 340 orders because of financial turmoil, no other reason, and certainly not the one you were thinking.

American Airlines ordered the A340 when it first hit the market.

I don't think that's true. Can you provide some links that talk about that?

And there was also an issue with the center fuel tank of the A340 not being certified by the FAA. Anyone know if that ever got resolved??

It was never actually a problem. They solved it long before the certification became necessary, via a kevlar lining.

N


User currently offlineUAL747DEN From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 2392 posts, RR: 12
Reply 20, posted (9 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 2538 times:

Gigneil,
I will look for something on the net, but I dont know what I will come up with. This information is common knowledge, when AA expanded in the early 90's (I believe that 90's is correct) they had all the aircraft manufactures building for them. No other airline could get planes because AA had them all locked up with orders.

EDIT: This fact can be found in the book, "The American Eagle, The Story Of Bob Crandle"

[Edited 2004-09-11 07:42:41]


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User currently offlineBurnsie28 From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 7503 posts, RR: 8
Reply 21, posted (9 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 2536 times:

For crying out loud, WN is the 3rd or 4th largest airline in the world (and number one in market capital), and you people still don't call it a major!! That is my pet peeve.

Not even close here are the top 6 alone
1- American Airlines
2- United Airlines
3- Delta Airlines
4- Air France/KLM
5- Northwest Airlines



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User currently offlineN1120a From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26196 posts, RR: 76
Reply 22, posted (9 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 2515 times:

According to the Air Transport Association of America, in 2002 Southwest was third in the US, behind AA and DL.
By number of PAX
AA 94,048,000
DL 90,799,000
WN 72,448,000
UA 68,350,000
NW 51,743,000

Now, perhaps UA passed WN (though I doubt it), but NW with more than 20 million fewer probably has not passed WN.



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User currently offlineUAL747DEN From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 2392 posts, RR: 12
Reply 23, posted (9 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 2513 times:

I find it extremely hard to believe that WN can fly more pax than UA when UA has more than triple the fleet and a worldwide network


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User currently offlineBurnsie28 From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 7503 posts, RR: 8
Reply 24, posted (9 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 2497 times:

Dont forget, that if a passenger has 7 layovers, they count it as 7 seperate passengers.

By the way then what do you call this  Big grin
Northwest Airlines is the world's fifth largest airline with hubs at Detroit, Minneapolis/St. Paul, Memphis, Tokyo and Amsterdam, and approximately 1,500 daily departures. Northwest and its travel partners serve nearly 750 cities in almost 120 countries on six continents. In 2003, consumers from throughout the world recognized Northwest's efforts to make travel easier. Northwest's WorldPerks program was named the most popular North American frequent flyer program by readers of TIME Asia in the 2003 TIME Readers' Travel Choice Awards. A 2003 J.D. Power and Associates study of airports ranked Minneapolis/St. Paul and Detroit, home to Northwest's two largest hubs, in second and fourth place among large domestic airports in overall customer satisfaction.

By the way its not measured in how many passengers they carried, its measured by ASM's



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25 Iowa744fan : UAL747DEN, In terms of passengers, it is not hard to believe. UA can operate one 744 from ORD to HKG and carry about 370 passengers and take up 15-16
26 N1120a : Um, there is no way UA has more than triple WN's fleet. That would mean they had more than the around 800 AA has. According to UA's certificate, and t
27 UAL747DEN : I guess im wrong! I didn't know that WN had more than 400 aircraft, that is crazy! When thinking about the UA network I was including the UAX flights
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