Carpethead From Japan, joined Aug 2004, 2876 posts, RR: 4 Reply 5, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 2943 times:
Because there is no need and for each requirement the 777 was selected over the A340 such as at AA, CO, DL, & UA.
The only US airline that can have a A340 fit in its fleet would be NW, or US if it survives and that is a big IF particularly for the latter.
TOLtommy From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 3246 posts, RR: 4 Reply 7, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 2667 times:
I can understand why US carriers dropping the original 340 orders. But I can see where the new long range 340's might be attractive, especially to NW. NRT will get saturated again, and the 345 could be used to fly nonstop from US to Asia, and add capacity.
Iowa744fan From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 928 posts, RR: 1 Reply 13, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 2467 times:
Don't forget that CO operated A300s for a while too. Took some from Eastern and then ordered some new. Gordon removed them from the fleet in 1997(?) I think.
I doubt that NW will proceed with that path. Over the past 10 years, it seems that they have been bringing all their Asia flights back in through Tokyo and a couple to Osaka. They used to operate a few flights that bypassed Tokyo (LAX-NRT, LAX-SEL, SEA-HKG, MSP-HKG, DTW-PEK, DTW-PVG, DTW-SEL), but have since cancelled all of them and have scheduled everything through Tokyo. Did they ever fly the nonstop from DTW to Shanghai into Pudong? Or did they discontinue that while it was still at Hongqiao (is this right?)?
TWA had something going with the A330 as well. Did they actually sign a firm order? Or just a letter or intent?
N1120a From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 25974 posts, RR: 78 Reply 17, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 2244 times:
For crying out loud, WN is the 3rd or 4th largest airline in the world (and number one in market capital), and you people still don't call it a major!! That is my pet peeve.
As it goes, I think NW has shown a pretty clear commitment to the hub and spoke system and, with the exception of can't pass up asian flights like LAX-NRT, SFO-NRT, PDX-NRT (They got a subsidy for that one), and JFK-NRT, they seem to like to keep it simple. They fill up 744s and are actually doing ok financially (they will not be going bankrupt any time soon). Besides, perhaps it is harder to have F/As keep PAX hostage on an A340 than other planes =). TW did in fact have an A330 order signed when they went under, but they never flew them.
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UAL747DEN From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 2331 posts, RR: 11 Reply 18, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 2205 times:
American Airlines ordered the A340 when it first hit the market. When they started negotiations with NW for ORD routes they transferred the order to them. Those orders were then converted into A330 orders.
UAL747DEN From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 2331 posts, RR: 11 Reply 20, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 2081 times:
I will look for something on the net, but I dont know what I will come up with. This information is common knowledge, when AA expanded in the early 90's (I believe that 90's is correct) they had all the aircraft manufactures building for them. No other airline could get planes because AA had them all locked up with orders.
EDIT: This fact can be found in the book, "The American Eagle, The Story Of Bob Crandle"
Burnsie28 From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 7479 posts, RR: 9 Reply 24, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 2040 times:
Dont forget, that if a passenger has 7 layovers, they count it as 7 seperate passengers.
By the way then what do you call this Northwest Airlines is the world's fifth largest airline with hubs at Detroit, Minneapolis/St. Paul, Memphis, Tokyo and Amsterdam, and approximately 1,500 daily departures. Northwest and its travel partners serve nearly 750 cities in almost 120 countries on six continents. In 2003, consumers from throughout the world recognized Northwest's efforts to make travel easier. Northwest's WorldPerks program was named the most popular North American frequent flyer program by readers of TIME Asia in the 2003 TIME Readers' Travel Choice Awards. A 2003 J.D. Power and Associates study of airports ranked Minneapolis/St. Paul and Detroit, home to Northwest's two largest hubs, in second and fourth place among large domestic airports in overall customer satisfaction.
By the way its not measured in how many passengers they carried, its measured by ASM's
"Some People Just Know How To Fly"- Best slogan ever, RIP NW 1926-2009
25 Iowa744fan: UAL747DEN, In terms of passengers, it is not hard to believe. UA can operate one 744 from ORD to HKG and carry about 370 passengers and take up 15-16
26 N1120a: Um, there is no way UA has more than triple WN's fleet. That would mean they had more than the around 800 AA has. According to UA's certificate, and t
27 UAL747DEN: I guess im wrong! I didn't know that WN had more than 400 aircraft, that is crazy! When thinking about the UA network I was including the UAX flights