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World's Busiest Airport With No 747 Service  
User currently offlineB741 From Canada, joined Jan 2004, 716 posts, RR: 1
Posted (9 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 9228 times:

I was checking the OAG database and found out that ATL only has 5x week 747 service to Korea and DFW, the world's 5th busiest has no regularly scheduled passenger 747 service, only one daily four-motor A340 "heavy" service. I find this hard to believe. Any comments would be greatly appreciated.


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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32736 posts, RR: 72
Reply 1, posted (9 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 9154 times:

I find this hard to believe.

Why? The airports are both huge mega-hubs for two of the world's largest airlines. They take most of the traffic, and neither operate four-engine aircraft. And Dallas and Atlanta, while major US business centres, aren't huge on international traffic along the likes of New York City, Chicago, Miami, Los Angeles, etc.,



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User currently offlineB741 From Canada, joined Jan 2004, 716 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (9 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 9141 times:

That makes good sense but you would think that DL and AA being alliance partners with European airlines, would see more large a/c at their hubs.


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User currently offlineSaxman66 From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 518 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (9 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 9101 times:

This topic was discussed not to long ago. But DFW just has China Airlines Cargo with 747. There may be another 747 but i'm not sure.

Chris



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User currently offlineBurnsie28 From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 7539 posts, RR: 8
Reply 4, posted (9 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 9089 times:

I also saw a China Airlines 744F at ATL.


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User currently offlineCarpethead From Japan, joined Aug 2004, 2954 posts, RR: 3
Reply 5, posted (9 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 9087 times:

Both DFW & ATL should have 74F service particularly from Asian airlines. Though not pax service the topic says 747.
During a visit to ATL last year, I saw JL, KE, BR, CI, & MP 74F.


User currently offlineDalfannyc From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 88 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (9 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 9075 times:

both LGA and DCA must be high up on the list as busiest without 747 service. . .

User currently offlineF9Fan From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 696 posts, RR: 3
Reply 7, posted (9 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days ago) and read 9059 times:

I don't think DEN has any scheduled passenger 747 service at this time, although BA, LH and UA will send in one sporadically.

F9Fan


User currently offlineDia77 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 705 posts, RR: 6
Reply 8, posted (9 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days ago) and read 9030 times:

LH has a daily 744 into Denver until Oct. 31 when the A346 starts up.

User currently offlineBartond From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 789 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (9 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 8978 times:

DFW hasn't had 747 pax service since KE downgraded their 3x weekly flight to a 772, we used to have 744 JAL service pre-9/11, Lufthansa was here with a 742 in the 80's and Thai used to be here with a 742 or something.

But now we've just got cargo 747s. I think these are all that operate 747s:

LH Cargo
Korean Cargo
Eva Cargo
Singapore Cargo
China Airlines Cargo
Atlas Air
UPS (every once in a while they'll toss in a 741/2 to the mix)
Evergreen (not sure if this one still comes around)
Southern Air (I saw this plane last Sunday spotting and I don't know anything about this airline)

Not bad but we all want 747 pax service at DFW. I just don't think there's the demand, though.


User currently offlineAs739x From United States of America, joined Apr 2003, 6126 posts, RR: 23
Reply 10, posted (9 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 8962 times:

Denver gets United 747's all the time. From San Francisco and Chicago

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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32736 posts, RR: 72
Reply 11, posted (9 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 8957 times:

we used to have 744 JAL service pre-9/11

JAL used MD-11s to DFW.



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User currently offlineNjdevilsin03 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 728 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (9 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 8947 times:

You can add FLL to the list as well as LGA.


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User currently offlineB4real From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 2637 posts, RR: 5
Reply 13, posted (9 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 8944 times:

"hasn't had 747 pax service since KE downgraded their 3x weekly flight to a 772..."

I'd personally take the 777 over the 747, so it is a little ironic to accept it as a downgrade. But if you look at it as a # of seats on the flight, or the more cool commanding look a 747 gives at the airport I guess it is a downgrade.



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User currently offlineDragon-wings From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 3982 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (9 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 8868 times:

What about Memphis? Since it's FedEx's main hub that's got to be high up on the list of busiest airport.


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User currently offlineUAXDXer From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 765 posts, RR: 3
Reply 15, posted (9 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 8834 times:

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User currently offlineLHR27C From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2004, 1279 posts, RR: 16
Reply 16, posted (9 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 8735 times:

DFW may be the AA hub, but that doesn't justify it 747 passenger service. There isn't the large international demand like at JFK, LAX, ORD etc, which serve larger US cities. So, for carriers like BA, it makes more sense economically to operate a 777 on the route.


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User currently offlineAa61hvy From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 13977 posts, RR: 57
Reply 17, posted (9 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 8536 times:

Actually JAL used the 744 then switched it to the MD-11 before they pulled out of DFW. I know that for a fact as I had spotted both many times.

The Southern Air 747 comes from ANC.

We do get the occassional Evergreen 747 and Cargolux 744F.



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User currently offlineF9Widebody From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 1604 posts, RR: 10
Reply 18, posted (9 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 8503 times:

Denver gets United 747's all the time. From San Francisco and Chicago

That may be true, but they aren't scheduled, they are merely equipment subs.

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User currently offlineFRAspotter From United States of America, joined May 2004, 2349 posts, RR: 9
Reply 19, posted (9 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 7707 times:

B741,

There used to be a South African 744 that did direct flights to Johannesburg not to long ago. Not sure if they still do.

Cheers....



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User currently offlineDeltabobo From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 206 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (9 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 6860 times:

FRAspotter:

The 747-400 service from ATL to CPT has been replaced with Airbus A340-600. I believe that it is no longer nonstop from ATL to CPT, I think that there is a refueling stop in Cabo Verde, not really sure, correct me if I am wrong.




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User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (9 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 6846 times:

JAL used MD-11s to DFW

...they also used the 744, as previously stated.


User currently offlineLearjet23 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (9 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 6809 times:

Phoenix, one of the top five....no 747 service!

User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (9 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 6791 times:

Uh dude, PHX has 6xWkly 744 service to LHR

User currently offlineLearjet23 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (9 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 6758 times:

they use a 777 unless they changed of late!

25 Post contains links and images Aa61hvy : For the record: View Large View MediumPhoto © Josh Rawlin
26 Post contains images ConcordeBoy : they use a 777 unless they changed of late! You just clarified the situation on your own
27 Expressjetphx : The SAA sched is quite confusing. I believe that the route goes JNB-SAL-ATL-CPT-JNB. I could be wrong but last I checked that's what it was.
28 7of9 : I saw a Singapore Airlines Cargo 747 there on 8/30/04 whiles coming from Pdx
29 United_Fan : F9Widebody, DEN does seasonally get UA 744's . During the Winter when ski season is going on. FLL used to get 744's from South African .
30 Btv92 : According to the Sept. 2004 published monthly OAG book,PHX to LHR is BA flight # 288,6 days a week with 744 equipment. Cheers, Tim
31 SunbrellaPat : At least y'all get to see one now and again. Unlike here at GSO...
32 Arcano : SCL must be one of the few "most important airport of the country" without 747 service, just cargo now Regards )( Arcano
33 Gsoflyer : Unlike GSO? GSO now sees Tradewinds 747s plus 747s in Timco alot.
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