Big777jet From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Posted (9 years 3 months 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 2285 times:
I didn't know that Delta started a month ago or more. I stunned when I searched flight tracking. I noticed something in Gulfport on Delta. I know DL doesn't serve it. It is service for a while. They serve every Saturday ATL-GPT on an MD-88. When it happen start service? I can't find information at this time. Nobody was telling about new service to Gulfport for Delta recently.
Big777jet From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 4, posted (9 years 3 months 2 hours ago) and read 2029 times:
Thanks for answered. Wow, I didn't noticed since May. AirTran is small 717 jet just like DC-9 size. MD88 is longer than 717. MD88 is smooth and quiet. MD88 isn't crappy that I flew many times it was great plane. Or Delta should gets 3 or 4 times a week MD88 in all year just like this Myrtle Beach,SC.
USAIRWAYS321 From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 1824 posts, RR: 9 Reply 5, posted (9 years 3 months 1 hour ago) and read 2014 times:
While the 717 is smaller than the MD-88, it's a newer plane. I don't think either are crappy, but convential wisdom says that the 717 will be a bit nicer since it's not as old. However, Delta is redoing the MD-88 interiors within the next few months, so it should be a toss-up or slightly in Deltas's favor.
MSYtristar From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 6347 posts, RR: 50 Reply 9, posted (9 years 3 months ago) and read 1968 times:
Dsuairptman, unfortunately for GPT, MSY is only about 1.5 hours away. Quite a bit of GPT's service (Air Tran, SunJet charters, etc) is casino subsidized. There won't be much expansion of service out of GPT other than to the major hub cities, as the local population base is not that large. That being said, I think that Delta could support one or two daily MD-88's to ATL, and it would be nice to see another Continental 737 upgrade to IAH. If you want to catch a nonstop to places like DEN, PHX, SAN, SFO, LAX etc, hop on the Coastliner and fly MSY. Actually the residents of the Gulf Coast are lucky to have several commercial airports within just a few hours of each other on the I-10 corridor: MSY, GPT, MOB, PNS.
TokyoNarita From Palau, joined Aug 2003, 570 posts, RR: 0 Reply 10, posted (9 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 1950 times:
I can only scratch my head and wonder why GPT doesn't have 3 or 4X daily DL mainline service. GPT puts a crap load of people on ASA's fleet, and the extra weekly seats are a very welcome addition.
I can confirm that if you are just talking about the loads (profitable or not I do not know), ATL-GPT can easily justify one or two daily MD-88s. It is pretty safe to say ATL-GPT ranks one of ASA's top performing cities.
FlyPNS1 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 6283 posts, RR: 25 Reply 11, posted (9 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 1924 times:
Problem with GPT isn't loads (DL could easily fill a few MD88's daily), but yields are quite low. Even Airtran wouldn't be in the GPT market if it wasn't for extra subsidies by the casinos. The question is should DL dedicate an MD88 to fly a low-yield route or use it to pursue other more business oriented routes. Lets face it, leisure travelers heading down to GPT to gamble really don't care how fancy their plance is.
GPT is getting a daily RJ flight to MCO, so that should provide a little extra boost. Unfortunately, the weekend service to DFW is going away. I'm not sure if you could convince AA to send a few RJ flights down to GPT.
Dsuairptman From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 851 posts, RR: 0 Reply 12, posted (9 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 1902 times:
MYStristar- I beg to greatly differ with your views. While it was true back in the 90s that GPT patrons would make the trip to MSY to avoid high fares and turboprop aircraft, the tide has turned as GPT has become a benefactor of the RJ reveolution and one of few regional airports to see select regional flights upgrade to mainline. Not many in GPT catchment area wants the time dealy of fighting traffic and MSY crowds when the can easily access GPT and be on their way. In fact with the addition of jet service, where even seeing pax form the North Shore area who find GPT a less hasseling and time consuming facilitly.
Ture that some service is subsidized, but not 'quit the bit' as you describe, infact our scheduled airlines provide more service on a daily basis than Sunjet operates in a week. The FLL and TPA FL flts are casino sponsored, but FL has direct control over the ATL flts, more or less, and judging by the local area license plates in the parking lot, FL is catering to just more than casino traffic.
Overall, when you consider the catchment area and number of hotel rooms avialable, its obivous that demand exist that could support more mainline service to already on the GPT destination map, and to others; 2 of which have strong potential are the Mid West ie:DTW, and DFW.
While it may seem like a long shot, I could see a daily frequcey to a hub west of the continental divide, which one though, I'm not sure.
Finally, GPT diretor recently made a statement idicating that all airlines are operating with load factore over 80%, diffently a sign that Gulfport is a growing market and the need for mainline seats and frequency is here.
Dsuairptman From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 851 posts, RR: 0 Reply 13, posted (9 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 1885 times:
FlyPns1- I am unfortunately not up to date with current yeild at GPT.
Howver I know that the weekly DL M88 and daily CO 737 are not subisdized in any way, these planes where put on GPT service due to airline managers, so obviously yield is not a question on those flights. Not sure if all FL flts form GPT are subisdized, obviously the FLL and TPA flts are, but ATL seems to be holding a good balance of non-gambling pax, and strong loads.
Even if yields are lower, full loads mean that pax are paying to fly, so when you add up grose profit from a flt it has to be indicating soemething if all seats are full and paid for.
Also yields diffently aren't that low, casino traffic only makes up a part of the pax count at GPT, we still have stong business demand form gov't travelers and industry, as well as local residents.
MSYtristar From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 6347 posts, RR: 50 Reply 14, posted (9 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 1892 times:
Dsuairprtman, we have people everyday drive in from the GPT area to catch our nonstops to DEN. Not just GPT, but futher East than that. MOB is not uncommon, in fact, we had some people drive in from MOB today. When I was with Vanguard, people drove in from all over the Gulf Coast to fly nonstop to MCI. Believe me, the drive is made by many people on a daily basis. Southwest draws people from all over the Gulf Coast to MSY, but that's a give in.
Sure some North Shore residents may choose GPT to catch an Air Tran flight, but I'd still venture to say that the majority of those residents use MSY. I'd put money on it actually. MSY is the regional airport of the Gulf South, and it will always remain that way thanks to the population base, convention/business traffic, and visitor appeal of the area.
GPT is a nice little facility that does deserve some more expanded service, but you can't really compare it to MSY. GPT is more of a competitor with the MOB's and PNS's of the world.
Dsuairptman From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 851 posts, RR: 0 Reply 15, posted (9 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 1860 times:
MSYTRISTAR- Covention and population base aside, MSY growth in recent years has been directly and indirectly attributed to the WN effect, in my opinon. WN major growth spurt started at MSY in the late 90s as other regional airports where seeing limited RJ service and highway robbery fares on regional airlines. People already traveling to MSY saw WN and what it had to offer and started flying them over other airlines at MSY. The word spread and people for good reason started flying WN. Other players at MSY lowered there fares on some routes to keep seats filled, with time larger planes appeared on MSY flights and it was an overall boost for the facility. With economic downturn and expanded service in the NE, WN presence massively grew at MSY, thanks to crecent city tourisim, oil business, and pax from outside the metro area. Other growing LCCs (Jet Blue, FL) saw this and the fact the had instant LCC competition along their route structure to MSY, and added flights, continued low cost brought more pax.
As for my thoghts on West coast service, there just that, my thoughts. Even GPT could launch one daily to a western hub, it wouldn't be any more than that, diffently not providing any real compition for MSY, just more seats for the Coast area.
MSYtristar From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 6347 posts, RR: 50 Reply 16, posted (9 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 1848 times:
One of my co-workers used to work for American Eagle in GPT. They used to run Saab 340's to BNA several times a day...DFW as well. Eagle could certainly throw in a few ERJ's a day from GPT to DFW. Good news regarding the new Delta Connection MCO service!
OttoPylit From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 17, posted (9 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 1825 times:
"AirTran has daily 717 service from GPT to ATL(two flights) TPA and FLL much better than a crappy old MD-88."
Two points to make:
1. All the 717 is is a DC-9 with bigger engines and glass cockpit. No more. The MD-88's range and capacity dwarf the 717's. And most of the Mad Dog's are roughly 12 years old. Saying that they are old, when for the first 10 years of business you flew 30 yr old ex-Delta DC-9s, is kinda like the pot calling the kettle black, isn't it?
2. The only reason FL is able to fly into GPT is due to the subsidies. Especially the deal they have with the Beau Rivage Casino. When FL first started flights into GPT, they were from, ATL, DFW, MCO, FLL, TPA. None actually made profits and now its down to what, 2 flights a day? Pity. It will be interesting when the Beau Rivage ends the subsidy payments, you will see another incident just like TLH recently
Dsuairptman From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 851 posts, RR: 0 Reply 18, posted (9 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 1743 times:
MYSTRISTAR- Yes I agree that GPT could easily support Eagle flts to DFW
Give time, the MCO flt will probaly pick up extra frequncey.
OttoPylit- There are 4 flights a day on FL. Most of desitnations where dropped because there where no connections avialable. Subsidy aside, FL must be doing well enough on the current for flts, or the wouldn't be flying.
Give it time and will see more ATL frequency.
I am a bit in the dark about 'the incident' and TLH, what is up w/ that?
OttoPylit From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 19, posted (9 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 1742 times:
I stand corrected on the flight schedules. All I know is that when GPT first started, FL was throwing just about every city on the schedule that way, even a shortlived stint to BNA.
What I meant by "TLH incident" is that Gov. Bush has finally cut off state subsidies to the Florida capital for Airtran, which has received them for 3 years, to the tune of 1.5 million a year, I believe. As soon as the announcement was made, Airtran immediately stated that it was closing the TLH station due to there not being a "market." Honestly, it took them 3 years and subsidies to determine there was no market? They did the same thing in TOL, and did it once in PNS when it was Valujet. I have always said, take away the subsidies, and you only have Airtran flying to about 20 cities up and down the east coast, such as MCO, MDW, LGA, FLL, TPA, etc.