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Aborted Landing At PHL?  
User currently offlineCha747 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 788 posts, RR: 6
Posted (10 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 2650 times:

Don't mean to start an uproar...just an observation that I made and I wanted to see if anybody had info on what I saw. I was on US 548 from CLT-PHL. I was seated in 12A so I could look out the left side of the plane. As we were on short finals on runway 27R, I saw a USAirways express prop plane on short finals onto the perpendicular runway (runway 35??). The prop's wheels were down and I could see the pilots in the cockpit and at the last second they applied power and began to ascend. A few more seconds and it was inevitable that we would have collided or had an EXTREMELY near miss. This was at about 3:30pm today. Did anybody hear this on the scanners, witness it, or hear about it? Thanks!

Chattanooga 747

Best of luck to USAirways! We're depending on you guys here in Philly.


You land a million planes safely, then you have one little mid-air and you never hear the end of it - Pushing Tin
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User currently offlinePHLapproach From Philippines, joined Mar 2004, 1248 posts, RR: 18
Reply 1, posted (10 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 2603 times:

Yes, that would be traffic in on 35. Since the use of 35 has heavily increased over the summer months, with more and more people requesting it. Alot of Intersecting Alerts are set off for 27R/ 35. It happens about 5 times a day. You should have been there on the 28th of Aug, there were about 8 in 3 hours.

User currently offlineWagz From United States of America, joined Mar 2003, 517 posts, RR: 15
Reply 2, posted (10 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 2591 times:
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This was Sunday Sept 12 right? I was at Hog island Rd right next to 27R spotting, so you probably saw me out the left side. I saw no US Air's go around today, just an AA S80 around 2:45 PM.

EDIT: Sorry, you're saying the prop on 35 performed the go around I'm assuming. Now that I recall, I did see a prop going around near that time. It happens so many times a day its not even funny. And like PHL Approach mentioned above, we saw a lot on that day, in fact about 4 or 5 in a 10 minute period.

Joe Wagner

[Edited 2004-09-13 00:36:56]

[Edited 2004-09-13 00:37:11]


I think Big Foot is blurry, Its not the photographers fault. Theres a large out of focus monster roaming the countryside
User currently offlineDfwRevolution From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 1001 posts, RR: 51
Reply 3, posted (10 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 2530 times:

I definitly know there was an aborted take-off-

http://www.reuters.com/financeNewsArticle.jhtml?type=bondsNews&storyID=6212756


User currently offlineArt at ISP From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 183 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (10 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 2515 times:

Missed approach/go arounds are very normal on 35 when traffic is landing 27R. I have been on 3 or 4 flights in the past 2 months which had to go around due to the controller misguaging crossing traffic.

No big deal.



User currently offlineCha747 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 788 posts, RR: 6
Reply 5, posted (10 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 2504 times:

Wagz,

Sorry...didn't look down...I saw the prop on final into 35 from the time we "hung a left" to line-up with 27R. Next time, if imminent doom isn't happening, I'll look down  Big grin It's good to know that spotters are around to document these kind of things if something had gone wrong.

Chattanooga 747



You land a million planes safely, then you have one little mid-air and you never hear the end of it - Pushing Tin
User currently offlineJalto27R From United States of America, joined May 2004, 857 posts, RR: 14
Reply 6, posted (10 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 2485 times:

Yeah, that day was crazy. So many go arounds. An AA MD-80 doing S-turns and them slamming a go around at the last second. The ATC went MAD. Started talking so fast we were laughing so hard. I think Vik got some of the ATC talking on a clip. Maybe he can get it up.

Mike


User currently offlineCha747 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 788 posts, RR: 6
Reply 7, posted (10 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 2447 times:

So that brings-up a question...what are the mechanics of a go around in such a situation? To me the passenger, it looked like a 734 and a prop plane (maybe a Dash-8) playing chicken until the prop lost and went around. Who fires the first shot over the radio? Does a computer in either plane question the proximity of the two birds? Does ATC tell one to do one thing and another the other?


You land a million planes safely, then you have one little mid-air and you never hear the end of it - Pushing Tin
User currently offlineJAXpax From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (10 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 2437 times:

Any of you spotters out there today catch the 11:30am B767 to Charlotte?

User currently offlinePHLapproach From Philippines, joined Mar 2004, 1248 posts, RR: 18
Reply 9, posted (10 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 2410 times:

cha747, ATC will be the first to let em know to go - around. The first stage on the STARS system at PHL is that both blips will turn red and it will display "CO" I know it's collision something. I just can't recall the what the O stands for. They will always send the 35 traffic around rather then a 27R arrival, it's much easier to make them climb runway heading and turn right for downwind. They will then either bring him around for a short final 26 or just vector him much higher over 27R arrivals for 35. The only time they will send something around on 27R is if someone takes thier good ol' time turning onto Kilo 4.

jaxpax, I wasen't there today but we normally stay on Hog Island Rd near 27R. So we can't see 27L departures unless we go down the road 2 miles at 9R. Which is illegal to park down there. We get away with it once in a while  Big grin.

[Edited 2004-09-13 02:29:26]

User currently offlineMikeyUSC From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 43 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (10 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 2384 times:

It's CA, for Collision Alert on both Aircraft.. controller speak is CACA  Smile



User currently offlineMD11LuxuryLinr From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 1385 posts, RR: 14
Reply 11, posted (10 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 2337 times:

Any of you guys catch the fighter jets flying over the sports complex this afternoon? I was outside cutting the grass and they scared the hell out of me. I'm guessing there was some delays on approach while this happened..


Caution wake turbulence, you are following a heavy jet.
User currently offlineCha747 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 788 posts, RR: 6
Reply 12, posted (10 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 2295 times:

Just homeland security for our weapons of mass destruction T.O. and McNabb. Ahh heck, who am I kidding...I don't even watch football!


You land a million planes safely, then you have one little mid-air and you never hear the end of it - Pushing Tin
User currently offlinePHLapproach From Philippines, joined Mar 2004, 1248 posts, RR: 18
Reply 13, posted (10 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 2248 times:

"It's CA, for Collision Alert on both Aircraft.. controller speak is CACA"

No, honestly. There is a CO phase. My friend told me when he was working 123.8 NE App, I was in the tracon with him and had asked him cause it popped up a few times. I'll have to give him a call.


User currently offlineUSAFHummer From United States of America, joined May 2000, 10685 posts, RR: 52
Reply 14, posted (10 years 3 months 1 week 5 days ago) and read 2221 times:

"Just homeland security for our weapons of mass destruction T.O. and McNabb."

For anyone the Eagles face this year, TO and McNabb could be considered WMD's in a football sense  Smile...

Greg



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User currently offlineWagz From United States of America, joined Mar 2003, 517 posts, RR: 15
Reply 15, posted (10 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 2169 times:
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Ry, I saw the F16s this afternoon while I was chatting with Paul Kanagie. Had no idea they were coming. They somehow got them out to the river without disrupting traffic too much. They then shot down the river at low altitude at a very high rate of speed before turning south and climbing. It was around 4 PM I think, so traffic was starting to get heavy again.

I have no idea how they got them accros the 27R ILS, since they would have been at roughly the same altitude as all the arriving aircraft. Since everyone seems to think its nescessary to fly fighters over sporting events these days, maybe they'll think twice about building they're next stadium right next to an airport.



I think Big Foot is blurry, Its not the photographers fault. Theres a large out of focus monster roaming the countryside
User currently offlinePHLBOS From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 7558 posts, RR: 23
Reply 16, posted (10 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 2096 times:

Since everyone seems to think its nescessary to fly fighters over sporting events these days, maybe they'll think twice about building they're next stadium right next to an airport.

After the debates and fiascos that led up to the construction of Lincoln Financial Field, Citizen's bank Park and the Wachovia Center (10 years earlier for the latter); I don't think we'll be seeing any new stadium construction in Philadelphia (never mind at the Sports Complex) anytime soon.

With regards to aborted landings, I think the only time I personally saw an aborted landing at PHL was around last March. A US A321 was approaching 27R, when it looked like it was just about the touch the ground, it ascended back up again. While I didn't have a radio with me I looked over at the far end of the runway and saw that another plane (it was too far for me to fully identify) had not quite exited the runway yet. Sure enough, it circled around and finally landed; while in flight, 2 other aircraft had since landed on 27R.

Wagz, MD11LuxuryLinr, PHLApproach, & Jalto27R,

How often are one or all of you guys over at PHL? I've been meaning to head out there again. I've been away on vacation and holiday visits during the last few weekends and have not had a chance to do some PHL spotting; although some of my trips did involve flying out of PHL. This Saturday, the 18th will be my first 'free' Saturday I've had in a while. Maybe I'll see some of you then.

Have you guys had any 'police issues' at PHL since the infamous May 23rd bust?



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