Panamair From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 5009 posts, RR: 24
Reply 4, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 6711 times:
This title is misleading...there's a big difference between "could" vs. "likely" here...anyway, there has been no update of DL's plans for Chap.11 since the release of the transformation plan last week...
PROSA From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 5644 posts, RR: 4
Reply 7, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 6503 times:
Better copy and paste it as I imagine most of us aren't members and have no desire to create a username and password just to read this article.
Copying and pasting an entire article might be a copyright violation. Usually, if I'm going to mention something in a subscribers-only newspaper article, I give a summary for those who don't want to register and add the link for those who may want to know more.
"Let me think about it" = the coward's way of saying "no"
Planemaker From Tuvalu, joined Aug 2003, 6518 posts, RR: 34
Reply 10, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 6299 times:
"Analysts: Delta plan likely won't be enough to stave off bankruptcy
Many analysts say they think a Chapter 11 filing remains likely for Delta Air Lines despite the turnaround plan the carrier announced Wednesday. Experts cite the possibility that large numbers of Delta pilots will opt for early retirement this month as a potential reason for the carrier to file for Chapter 11, perhaps as soon as Oct. 1.
...one analyst to raise the chances of a Delta bankruptcy from 50 percent to 70 percent..."
There have been several publications that have echoed the same theme on a Delta Chap. 11. Unfortunately, most are by subcription - free (Atlanta: Journal and Constitution) and paid (Wall Street Journal)... however, here´s one that doesn´t need you to sign up:
Dayflyer From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 3807 posts, RR: 3
Reply 11, posted (10 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 5261 times:
The feeling in SW Ohio is that DL is on the brink of bankruptcy, regardless of the marketing and media hype. It is no secret that DL has had trouble since 9-11 and the loss of US could only bring help to all the other legacy carriers. DL, United, American and CO will all look like Airtran pretty soon. They will have to do this just to stay around and only offer 1st or business at the rate that Airtran does.
The days of $120/hr PIC jobs is going the way of the Dino. FA's at $40/hr will also be a thing of the past.
Ifly2eat From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 8 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (10 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 4873 times:
"The days of $120/hr PIC jobs is going the way of the Dino."
Tell me, exactly how much is an airline Captain worth these days to you, since you know so much? Minimum wage perhaps? I applaud the USAirways pilots as of late. Eventually, it comes to a point where the job is not worth doing and the wage these airline executives want to pay. Don't pretend to know what it takes to do MY job or what I am worth.
N6376m From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (10 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 2785 times:
If the bankruptcy court approves UA's motion to disavow it's pension plan, DL will file for bankruptcy. This is the only way they'll be able to compete on a level playing field.
Why should only a couple of carriers continue to bear the huge liabilities and cash flow drains that these pension plans carry when others can write of billions of dollars in debt and free up $500M in cash flow by going to court?
The only question is whether it will be a pre-packaged BK filing or not.
1MillionFLyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (10 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 2725 times:
I am involved the industry, I am not saying minimum wage, but when 120,000 a year computer programming jobs are going to India for 25,000 and those left with jobs all took 20-40% paycuts you have to wake up to the reality of mis-valued supply and demand.
There are 1000's of pilots on the street furloughed. the supply exceeds demand therefore prices (wages) drop. it is simple economics. I don't like it either but it happens.
Flight attendants are always underpaid period they don;t need to EVER take a pay cut (in my mind). Same with ground workers.
the average FAMILY income in the US is 37,200 , a 150,000 salary which was cut from FROM 220,000 isn't so bad. Think of all the taxes that are saved
Uadc8contrail From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 1782 posts, RR: 9
Reply 19, posted (10 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 2714 times:
Interesting...But USAirways' pilots are compensated less than SWA or AirTran. Seems more like a management problem.
you hit the nail right on the head, the latest issue with US is nothing more than to break those overpaid underworked union minions-sarcasm. i know there are people in here that would pimp them selves out for nothing, but you get what you pay for..dayflyer, im assuming you are pro management,look at the following rates and tell me that its a greedy employees problem when wn is paying thoses rates and still making cash,
ua-139/hr...you have to be kidding me
dl--222/hr...i had to throw that in here
all rates are based on a 7 year capt on the 733(aa is based on the 738)
1MillionFLyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (10 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 2643 times:
US Is a management problem for sure. Pilots have already given enough! They bought too many Airbuses and didn't embrace RJ's until it was too late. I have had 3 US pilot friend s get furloughed 2 are at America West the other is not flying. they had 12 years seniority at a minimum and still got cut.
the DL Pilots should be at 150 or so, or work have more flexible work rules like WN.
in any event $222 is not the norm.