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BA Club World Seat Narrow?  
User currently offlineRadelow From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 426 posts, RR: 3
Posted (9 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 3690 times:

Those of you who have flown on the new BA Club World, did you find the new seats to be a little skinny? Judging from photos and such they look quite skinny compared to the old cradle seats or Virgin's new Upper Class. Anyway, just wanted some opinions!

Mark

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User currently offlineAerofan From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 1517 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (9 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 3616 times:

Yes they are narrower than the two VS seats that you mentioned. If you are at all considering taking a flight I would use VS if they fly the routing. Make sure though that the new flat beds are on. I don't care much for the old J200 seats

User currently offlinePlanelymad From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2004, 20 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (9 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 3588 times:

They are narrow and the join between the cushions makes them uncomfortable when flat. having said that, plase a couple of cushions in the right place and you'll get a better night's sleep than in most business class seats! The backward facing ones are a really novel way to fly.

Take a look at seatguru.com for excellent seating info.


User currently offlineAnsettB727 From Australia, joined Mar 2004, 217 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (9 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 3560 times:

No complaints here. I think it's fabulous. Plus they're always so obliging with booze and trashy British magazines. I love Club World on the 777.

User currently offlineBa97 From Canada, joined Apr 2004, 377 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (9 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 3538 times:

Yup. They are narrower than many seats. The cushion spacing is not perfect but I have found LH First Class worse. That said. I love the set up-and yes flying backwards is outstanding.


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User currently offlineAirxLiban From Lebanon, joined Oct 2003, 4506 posts, RR: 53
Reply 5, posted (9 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 3499 times:

ive gotten into arguments about this before, i dont particulaly like the new BA Club World.

I think the seat is too narrow and not nearly as comfortable as the cradle world seat.

In addition, if you are facing towrads the tail and you recline to 180 your head is slightly above your feet and vicky versa when facing the nose.

i slightly prefer the VS J2000 seat over the BA Club World flat bed.



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User currently offlineBestWestern From Hong Kong, joined Sep 2000, 7081 posts, RR: 57
Reply 6, posted (9 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 3422 times:

No complaints at all for the BA club seats. They are very comfortable, and although narrow-ish you get a good nights sleep. Although 8 abreast in theory, the seat is wider than expected as the seats face each other, with the leg area being narrower than the seating space.

Oh, and its a great experience to take off sitting backwards!



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User currently offlineJMChladek From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 331 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (9 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 3403 times:

Well, the seat width wasn't a problem for me on the first flight I took in Club World. But, the cushioning felt as hard as a rock when folded flat. Still, considering I had never done it before, had nothing to compare it to, and don't sleep too well on airliners anyway, what do I know.  Smile In the sitting position it felt fine and yes, flying backwards was a lot of fun.

User currently offlineAZA330 From Italy, joined Feb 2004, 289 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (9 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 3381 times:

I tried both cradle seat and flat bed and I like a lot the flat bed flying backwards. Talking about the flat bed seat is more narrow, I didn't noticed big differences between the two seats.
In the flat bed you just need to find the right position to sleep, especially if you are bigger than 1.8 meters.
Ciao


User currently offlineBCal DC10 From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 722 posts, RR: 4
Reply 9, posted (9 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 3336 times:


Also, the 744 feels much roomier than the 772, even tho the seats are technically the same size - I think the cabin isn't quite as wide on the 772.

The upper deck on the 744 feels even better... plus you have the room to your side where the storage bins are.


User currently offlineShamrock_747 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (9 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 3300 times:

Although pictures of the new Club cabin can make the seats appear narrow and the layout a little cluttered, there is no such feeling when travelling in the cabin. The beds are very comfortable and ideal for sleeping, offering a generous amount of personal space. To me they seem just as wide as the cradle seats, though I tend to go for the 744 upper deck.

User currently offlineBA380 From United Kingdom, joined May 2004, 1466 posts, RR: 8
Reply 11, posted (9 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 3298 times:

The Club World Flat Bed is a fantastic product. Just great. Fantastically comfy as a seat or as a bed.

That the seats are narrower than a Cradle Seat is an urban myth. They are exactly the same width as the Cradle seat... it is a great use of space, because the design eliminates the wasted space around the feet, so you can get 8 abreast with half forward half backward with the same room at the hips as 7 abreast all facing forward.



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User currently offlinePlanelymad From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2004, 20 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (9 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 3288 times:

Can't understand how anyone prefers the cradle seats - how can you sleep overnight in a sitting position??

All credit to BA for introducing the first lie flat beds, which many airlines still haven't done. And all credit to Virgin for introducing a comfortable version - even though I haven't tried them the mattress looks much better than the thin hard BA cushions.


User currently offlineRichardw From United Kingdom, joined May 2001, 3746 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (9 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 3266 times:

I slept for 7 hours overnight in a BA World Traveller seat from CPT-LHR in March this year.

I also slept for 5 hours overnight in an AA B777 Economy seat JFK-LHR in May this year.

A bit of food and some wine (no medication) does send me to sleep.

I think with all the money saved I will fly BA First LON-SYD one day.


User currently offlineANA From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2004, 294 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (9 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 3247 times:

BA and Virgin are the only airlines to offer fully flat (i.e. horizontal) seats in business class. The BA seat is skinnyish, but the (patented) face forward/backwards design facilitated getting the bed. In general, regular fliers would rather have BA over any other business class seat (although the VS UCS is as good, some say better). The actual product delivery is obviously more personal i.e. you are either more Virgin or BA. BA are also addressing the hardness of the cushions.

The reason that BA and VS are such innovators in the cabin is because they are, essentially, two incumbents competing against each other which most other carriers, certainly in Europe, have not had to face. That's why VS introduced the UCS - nobody wanted to fly on the J2000. You had to be in embryo position to get even half comfortable.

Anders



User currently offlineBA380 From United Kingdom, joined May 2004, 1466 posts, RR: 8
Reply 15, posted (9 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 3159 times:

ANA
to be fair, Air New Zealand are introducing fully flat 180 degree as well now (the exact same product as VS). But you are right - I am not aware of any other airline to offer flat 180 seats in J



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User currently offlineDutchjet From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 7864 posts, RR: 57
Reply 16, posted (9 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 3149 times:

The BA Club World Seat is innovative, but more than a few passengers have commented on that the seat is rather narrow.....some of the comments have to do with the illusion of space, being that BA uses an 8 abreast arrangement on the 744 Club World main cabin set up, passengers automatically think that the seat is narrower since most business class pax are used to 6 or sometimes 7 abreast layouts in business class and the 8 accross layout is a bit of a surprise. Also, the not everyone seems to like the forward/backward setup of the Club World Cabin - some pax just dont like the idea of sitting backward. There is no right or wrong, everyone is entitled to their own opinions, especially premium passengers paying premium air fares. Although the new Club World sleeper seat can be deemed a success by most standards (passenges especially like the sleeper seat on longer overnight flights for obvious reasons), I would not be surpirsed that if BA, when it re-invents Club World the next time around in a few years, made some changes to address the issue of seat width and maybe go back to all forward facing seats.

User currently offlineSA7700 From South Africa, joined Dec 2003, 3431 posts, RR: 26
Reply 17, posted (9 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 3102 times:
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ANA & BA380

SAA have J-class flatbeds in their A343's and A346's. According to airlinequality.com SAA also has the world's most comfortable J-class flatbed seats.

http://www.flatseats.com/Reviews/flat-bed-biz.htm

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User currently offlineAerofan From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 1517 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (9 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 2991 times:

Sa7700 They lie! VS is the most comfortable. I have flown all 3

BA380 - Well what can I say about your constant praise of BA and its product. You must either be Rod or Lord Marshall.

NZ flat bed will be the same as VS' for one simple reason, VS sold the patent of their flat bed to NZ for quite a tidy sum, i understand.

Listen up folks - if you want a truly comfortable fully flat bed and seat. Try VS new seats.


User currently offlineKZBA From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 108 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (9 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 2984 times:
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As a BA employee, I am partial to my company's Club brand. But, I had the recent experience of flying the new VS Upper Class the other day on a business trip (the BA flights were very over sold, to the VS team were kind enough to take care of several of us). The seat is very comfortable, whether you eating, working or sleeping. It has a great softness to it that makes sleeping very easy.

But the only real problem that I had was the overall 'feel' of the cabin. The way the seats are situated, it felt as if it was a hospital ward, or something of that nature. I can't say that it was bad, but just odd. Not really inviting.

Overall, I think both carriers offer a great J product to/from the US. It all comes down to personal style.


User currently offlineSA7700 From South Africa, joined Dec 2003, 3431 posts, RR: 26
Reply 20, posted (9 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 2948 times:
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Aerofan

And that would be your personal opinion as opposed to the opinion of a panel of judges?  Big grin

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User currently offlineBestWestern From Hong Kong, joined Sep 2000, 7081 posts, RR: 57
Reply 21, posted (9 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 2932 times:

I have flown both the BA and VS UCS. In my opinion, the BA seating and product is superior, but both rank amongst the best business class services anywhere.

My biggest VS complaint is that I didn't like the way the VS seats are angled away from the windows.

Never got the hospital ward impression from the cabin, but I know what you mean... lines of beds!










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User currently offlineANA From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2004, 294 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (9 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 2885 times:

I've just got to try the UCS yesterday. The sleeping side is excellent, although you have to make an active decision to go to sleep i.e. stand up, pick up your belongings, get the bed made etc.

I totally agree about the cabin feel. It's odd, but the aim was to make it an all-inclusive flying-together experience. And it kind of is - if that's what you like.

Anders


User currently offlineBestWestern From Hong Kong, joined Sep 2000, 7081 posts, RR: 57
Reply 23, posted (9 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 2847 times:

ANA... agree about the getting the bed made annoyance... I'm someone who will doze for an hour, wake up for an hour, etc. On VS all I could do was sleep, especially since the only solus of looking out the window is impossible.


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User currently offlineBA380 From United Kingdom, joined May 2004, 1466 posts, RR: 8
Reply 24, posted (9 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 2845 times:

Aerofan

hee hee - I am neither, just an enthusiastic BA customer. Just because someone is enthusiastic does not mean they are biased...  Smile/happy/getting dizzy



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User currently offlineRichard28 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2003, 1603 posts, RR: 6
Reply 25, posted (9 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 2797 times:

Not flown the BA NCW, but have done VS UCS & VS J2000.

Two often overlooked factors of VS UCS is that every seat has aisle access - no more clambering over someone else's feet to get out of bed/or someone clambering over yours.

the other is that, whilst eating, the whole table can be pushed back - complete with contents on - to enable aisle access - this means you can stretch your legs, or visit the WC whenever you want - you could not do this with J2000 - not sure about NCW though?

Rich (with VS bias  Big grin )


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