Radelow From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 426 posts, RR: 3 Posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 2553 times:
Those of you who have flown on the new BA Club World, did you find the new seats to be a little skinny? Judging from photos and such they look quite skinny compared to the old cradle seats or Virgin's new Upper Class. Anyway, just wanted some opinions!
Aerofan From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 1515 posts, RR: 2 Reply 1, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 2479 times:
Yes they are narrower than the two VS seats that you mentioned. If you are at all considering taking a flight I would use VS if they fly the routing. Make sure though that the new flat beds are on. I don't care much for the old J200 seats
Planelymad From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2004, 20 posts, RR: 0 Reply 2, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 2451 times:
They are narrow and the join between the cushions makes them uncomfortable when flat. having said that, plase a couple of cushions in the right place and you'll get a better night's sleep than in most business class seats! The backward facing ones are a really novel way to fly.
Take a look at seatguru.com for excellent seating info.
BestWestern From Ireland, joined Sep 2000, 6431 posts, RR: 58 Reply 6, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 2285 times:
No complaints at all for the BA club seats. They are very comfortable, and although narrow-ish you get a good nights sleep. Although 8 abreast in theory, the seat is wider than expected as the seats face each other, with the leg area being narrower than the seating space.
Oh, and its a great experience to take off sitting backwards!
JMChladek From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 331 posts, RR: 0 Reply 7, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 2266 times:
Well, the seat width wasn't a problem for me on the first flight I took in Club World. But, the cushioning felt as hard as a rock when folded flat. Still, considering I had never done it before, had nothing to compare it to, and don't sleep too well on airliners anyway, what do I know. In the sitting position it felt fine and yes, flying backwards was a lot of fun.
AZA330 From Italy, joined Feb 2004, 288 posts, RR: 0 Reply 8, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 2244 times:
I tried both cradle seat and flat bed and I like a lot the flat bed flying backwards. Talking about the flat bed seat is more narrow, I didn't noticed big differences between the two seats.
In the flat bed you just need to find the right position to sleep, especially if you are bigger than 1.8 meters.
Shamrock_747 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 10, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 6 days ago) and read 2163 times:
Although pictures of the new Club cabin can make the seats appear narrow and the layout a little cluttered, there is no such feeling when travelling in the cabin. The beds are very comfortable and ideal for sleeping, offering a generous amount of personal space. To me they seem just as wide as the cradle seats, though I tend to go for the 744 upper deck.
BA380 From United Kingdom, joined May 2004, 1466 posts, RR: 9 Reply 11, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 6 days ago) and read 2161 times:
The Club World Flat Bed is a fantastic product. Just great. Fantastically comfy as a seat or as a bed.
That the seats are narrower than a Cradle Seat is an urban myth. They are exactly the same width as the Cradle seat... it is a great use of space, because the design eliminates the wasted space around the feet, so you can get 8 abreast with half forward half backward with the same room at the hips as 7 abreast all facing forward.
Planelymad From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2004, 20 posts, RR: 0 Reply 12, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 2151 times:
Can't understand how anyone prefers the cradle seats - how can you sleep overnight in a sitting position??
All credit to BA for introducing the first lie flat beds, which many airlines still haven't done. And all credit to Virgin for introducing a comfortable version - even though I haven't tried them the mattress looks much better than the thin hard BA cushions.
ANA From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2004, 294 posts, RR: 1 Reply 14, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 2110 times:
BA and Virgin are the only airlines to offer fully flat (i.e. horizontal) seats in business class. The BA seat is skinnyish, but the (patented) face forward/backwards design facilitated getting the bed. In general, regular fliers would rather have BA over any other business class seat (although the VS UCS is as good, some say better). The actual product delivery is obviously more personal i.e. you are either more Virgin or BA. BA are also addressing the hardness of the cushions.
The reason that BA and VS are such innovators in the cabin is because they are, essentially, two incumbents competing against each other which most other carriers, certainly in Europe, have not had to face. That's why VS introduced the UCS - nobody wanted to fly on the J2000. You had to be in embryo position to get even half comfortable.
Dutchjet From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 7864 posts, RR: 58 Reply 16, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 2012 times:
The BA Club World Seat is innovative, but more than a few passengers have commented on that the seat is rather narrow.....some of the comments have to do with the illusion of space, being that BA uses an 8 abreast arrangement on the 744 Club World main cabin set up, passengers automatically think that the seat is narrower since most business class pax are used to 6 or sometimes 7 abreast layouts in business class and the 8 accross layout is a bit of a surprise. Also, the not everyone seems to like the forward/backward setup of the Club World Cabin - some pax just dont like the idea of sitting backward. There is no right or wrong, everyone is entitled to their own opinions, especially premium passengers paying premium air fares. Although the new Club World sleeper seat can be deemed a success by most standards (passenges especially like the sleeper seat on longer overnight flights for obvious reasons), I would not be surpirsed that if BA, when it re-invents Club World the next time around in a few years, made some changes to address the issue of seat width and maybe go back to all forward facing seats.
KZBA From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 107 posts, RR: 0 Reply 19, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 1847 times:
As a BA employee, I am partial to my company's Club brand. But, I had the recent experience of flying the new VS Upper Class the other day on a business trip (the BA flights were very over sold, to the VS team were kind enough to take care of several of us). The seat is very comfortable, whether you eating, working or sleeping. It has a great softness to it that makes sleeping very easy.
But the only real problem that I had was the overall 'feel' of the cabin. The way the seats are situated, it felt as if it was a hospital ward, or something of that nature. I can't say that it was bad, but just odd. Not really inviting.
Overall, I think both carriers offer a great J product to/from the US. It all comes down to personal style.
BestWestern From Ireland, joined Sep 2000, 6431 posts, RR: 58 Reply 23, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 1710 times:
ANA... agree about the getting the bed made annoyance... I'm someone who will doze for an hour, wake up for an hour, etc. On VS all I could do was sleep, especially since the only solus of looking out the window is impossible.
Richard28 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2003, 1570 posts, RR: 6 Reply 25, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 1660 times:
Not flown the BA NCW, but have done VS UCS & VS J2000.
Two often overlooked factors of VS UCS is that every seat has aisle access - no more clambering over someone else's feet to get out of bed/or someone clambering over yours.
the other is that, whilst eating, the whole table can be pushed back - complete with contents on - to enable aisle access - this means you can stretch your legs, or visit the WC whenever you want - you could not do this with J2000 - not sure about NCW though?