Airbazar From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 7497 posts, RR: 11 Reply 5, posted (9 years 3 months 1 week 13 hours ago) and read 2215 times:
I wouldn't be surprised that TAP joining Start Aliance may have something to do with this change of plans. Lisbon would be a great stopping point between Brazil and China and since TAP has absolutely no plans to fly to China, Varig would have absolutely no competition and would be able to take TAP's feeder traffic from different Brazilian cities. Wouldn't that be something?
Airbazar From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 7497 posts, RR: 11 Reply 7, posted (9 years 3 months 1 week 9 hours ago) and read 2066 times:
Well, I don't know, that was just a wild guess. With the previously planned flight, it's a 2 stop flight from anywhere other than Sao Paulo. For example: FOR-GRU-MUC-PEK. And it sucks that you have to go backwads from FOR to GRU.
If instead you combine a GRU-LIS-PEK with a FOR-LIS flight, passengers from FOR could do FOR-LIS-PEK and save themselves a lot of time. Like I said, it's just a crazy thought
AF022 From France, joined Dec 2003, 2122 posts, RR: 1 Reply 8, posted (9 years 3 months 1 week 9 hours ago) and read 2059 times:
all TP flights from South America to LIS - except SSA - arrive between 0600 and 0810, and RG's flight would probably leave GRU at night, arrive LIS (if it is LIS) early AM, and then off to Asia 0900-1030.
the way back the flights are a bit over the place, with LISGRU leaving at 0945, LISGIG at 1000, and the flights to the Northeast 1500-1615. It will be harder to make this work, because the ICN or PEK or PVGGRU flight should connect with SCL, EZE.
Mulder From New Zealand, joined Sep 2004, 61 posts, RR: 0 Reply 10, posted (9 years 3 months 1 week 3 hours ago) and read 1883 times:
Flying to ICN instead of PEK or PVG does not make any sense. Varig has stated that it wanted to expland to China because China is an important partner of Brazil's in many areas. There is huge demand. ICN should be based on other thought. The signal is clear enough earlier this year that Varig will fly to PEK then PVG in the near future.
Airbazar From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 7497 posts, RR: 11 Reply 13, posted (9 years 3 months 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 1705 times:
EMB195ER, I guess I wasn't clear enough. I was just trying to make a point that if Varig were to route the flight from GRU to PEK via LIS instead of MUC, they could take advantage of all the feeder traffic from TAP, from all other regions in Brazil which could potentially save a lot of travel time for people traveling from/to a city other than Sao Paulo.
In addition, ?I have a feeling that it would be a lot easier to get 5th freedom rights between LIS and PEK, than MUC and PEK.
Levent From France, joined Sep 2004, 1718 posts, RR: 5 Reply 15, posted (9 years 3 months 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 1628 times:
Talking about VARIG, who has flown with them recently and how is their service nowadays? I flew with them a very long time ago, in 1982, and had an excellent experience with this airline. Are they keeping up those high standards?
AF022 From France, joined Dec 2003, 2122 posts, RR: 1 Reply 16, posted (9 years 3 months 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 1602 times:
1982? Varig has been re-incarnated dozens of times since then.
1990s were terrible - service tanked.
I flew then a couple of years ago and seating was lousy in j/class, but FAs were nice. GRU is a HORRIBLE airport and kind of ruined the whole experience - it took me 3 hours to get out of customs. I would definitely pick a flight that arrived at a quiet time at GRU.
I've heard they are better now, but are there beds in j/class?