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User currently offlineSolnabo From Sweden, joined Jan 2008, 852 posts, RR: 2
Posted (10 years 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 2340 times:

What do you think of this website?

IMO I think its a great idea  Big grin

Micke/SE  Big thumbs up


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User currently offlineDtwclipper From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (10 years 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 2319 times:

When the POTUS buys an Airbus for Air Force One, that will be the day when we see an Airbus Tanker.

Don't hold your breath.


User currently offlineA380900 From France, joined Dec 2003, 1112 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (10 years 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 2303 times:

Who paid for this? Is this an airbus site?

User currently offlineStarlionblue From Greenland, joined Feb 2004, 17040 posts, RR: 66
Reply 3, posted (10 years 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 2289 times:

Dtwclipper is probably right about the unlikelyhood of an Airbus tanker for the USAF, but it was seriously considered, and may be again if the USAF reopens the competition.

It would have been mainly built in the US, so the whole "domestic jobs" argument was out of the window. IIRC this would have been cheaper than the 767 tanker. Also, there were quite a few mishaps in the procurement process, with allegations of the USAF being unfairly biased towards the 767, and one of the procurement officers subsequently getting a high-paying job at Boeing.

EDIT: Interesting FAQ actually http://www.kc330.com/dynamic/eads89.jsp

EDIT: And before someone blabs on about USAF money going to European interests, I should remind you that we all "know" that the 330/340 was paid by subsidies anyway  Big grin

[Edited 2004-09-14 19:51:36]

[Edited 2004-09-14 19:55:42]


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User currently offlineSolnabo From Sweden, joined Jan 2008, 852 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (10 years 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 2250 times:

Its a fab idea, the USAF aren´t getting any 767Tankers so WhyTH not.........

Micke  Big thumbs up



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User currently offlineMD80Nut From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 929 posts, RR: 8
Reply 5, posted (10 years 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 2242 times:

An interesting website. If the KC330 can be produced, as they claim, with more than 50% American content, assembled here and at a competitive price with the KC767, then it should be seriously considered.

Ultimately, it's about providing the US Armed Forces with the best, most capable solution and give the US taxpayer the best value. I know politics will always be a factor, but I think there should be an open competition and if the KC330 is deemed better, then it should be selected.

Only my 2 centavos, of course!  Smile

cheers, Ralph



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User currently offlineStarlionblue From Greenland, joined Feb 2004, 17040 posts, RR: 66
Reply 6, posted (10 years 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 2226 times:

Ultimately, it's about providing the US Armed Forces with the best, most capable solution and give the US taxpayer the best value.

I agree 100%. "Buy American" is all well and good but I'm sure the Americans will agree that giving the troops the best equipment overrides this in many cases.

Also, it's not like the USA would be buying from a producer in a non-allied nation. All the EADS countries are in NATO apart from France, which is a long-term ally in any case.



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User currently offlineSolnabo From Sweden, joined Jan 2008, 852 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (10 years 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 2219 times:

Guess you´re right, StarLionBlue!

Mr Chirac seems to be i huge thorn in US side, but as you know Airbus SAS is more than France, right?

Micke Big grin



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User currently offlineEchster From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 399 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (10 years 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 2186 times:

I don't think it's a question of which aircraft is the better performer as a tanker...IMHO the A330 is more capable (hard to say for a Boeing fan). It gets more fuel and cargo to the fight than a B767 would.

I guess one of the main issues with the A330 vs. the B767 is the US Air Force's infrastructure is mostly set up for the KC-135. If they decided on the A330, they would have to re-invest in hangars, taxiways, parking ramps, etc. because the wingspan of the A330 is so much larger than the present aircraft and the B767 (197 feet vs. 170 feet).


User currently offlineMD80Nut From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 929 posts, RR: 8
Reply 9, posted (10 years 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 2101 times:

I don't think the infrastructure concerns are very big. The KC330 may be bigger than the KC135 and KC767, but not by enough to require wider taxiways. The USAF already regularly operates fairly large aircraft like the C-17, B-52, B-2 and C-5, some which take up more space that an A330. Some new hangars may be needed, but for the most part I think most US military airbases will be able to handle it without too many, if any, modifications.

Also, since the KC330 will have a substantially greater fuel and cargo capacity, fewer aircraft will be required than before with the KC135. So existing parking areas shouldn't be taxed by the change to fewer, larger aircraft.

cheers, Ralph



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User currently offlineAgill From Sweden, joined Feb 2004, 1011 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (10 years 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 2092 times:

Can't a lot of the "kc330 for USAF" thing be seen as a way to reduce Boeings profit on the deal. I mean the "first time" the deal went through it seemed to be pretty sweet for Boeing.

User currently offlineKnoxibus From France, joined Aug 2007, 260 posts, RR: 23
Reply 11, posted (10 years 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 2024 times:
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...All the EADS countries are in NATO apart from France, which is a long-term ally in any case...

Errr...France has always been technically a NATO Member from 1948. France is still a member of NATO but retired from the military command in 1966.

Anyway, I think this is a good effort from EADS North America, who is obviously the owner of this site. But I would rather wait for another couple of NATO members to buy.

IMO, France's KC-135 for example, althought they are undergoing a possible refurbishment program, should be "scrapped" (or else), and they should go for such a proposition.



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User currently offlineStarlionblue From Greenland, joined Feb 2004, 17040 posts, RR: 66
Reply 12, posted (10 years 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 2011 times:

Anyway, I think this is a good effort from EADS North America, who is obviously the owner of this site. But I would rather wait for another couple of NATO members to buy.

Perhaps, but it does tend to go the other way around. First the USA buys, and then other members follow suit, like with the F-16.


Errr...France has always been technically a NATO Member from 1948. France is still a member of NATO but retired from the military command in 1966.

Oops, bad Starlionblue...  Innocent Sorry about the brainfart.




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User currently offlineKnoxibus From France, joined Aug 2007, 260 posts, RR: 23
Reply 13, posted (10 years 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 1998 times:
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Happy to help Starlionblue, but to tell you the truth, until 1 year ago, I thought so as well, and it's a Spanish guy who told me about this NATO thing!  Smile




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