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DC-10 Take Off Before Concorde Crash  
User currently offlineVikingair From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 100 posts, RR: 0
Posted (10 years 3 months 1 week 18 hours ago) and read 9933 times:

Can any one tell me where I can find information as to the N registration of the DC-10 that took off prior to the ill fated Concorde and reportedly left debris on the runway that may have casued the tires to rupture.

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User currently offlineILSApproach From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 410 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (10 years 3 months 1 week 17 hours ago) and read 9876 times:

I know it was A CO DC10..............N-number not sure .............still searching.

Mike


User currently offlineILSApproach From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 410 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (10 years 3 months 1 week 17 hours ago) and read 9849 times:

Found it.........COA Flight55, CDG/EWR. Aircraft was N13067.

http://www.bea-fr.org/anglaise/concorde-en.html

Go to section 16.6 of report. Appears to be wear strip from engine fan reverser cowl according to report, which is rather extensive and interesting reading.

Mike


User currently offlineErj-145mech From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 306 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (10 years 3 months 1 week 17 hours ago) and read 9838 times:

Interestingly enough, that aircraft was scrapped this past summer in the desert.

User currently offlineVikingair From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 100 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (10 years 3 months 1 week 17 hours ago) and read 9822 times:

Thank you all verymuch, I was just trying to confirm another source that had told me that N14075 a Continental DC-10 was the culprit. Thanks again.

User currently offlineILSApproach From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 410 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (10 years 3 months 1 week 17 hours ago) and read 9808 times:

Plane flew for EA as N391EA and AZ also as I-DYND.


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User currently offlineIahcsr From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 3469 posts, RR: 42
Reply 6, posted (10 years 3 months 1 week 11 hours ago) and read 9530 times:
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The Thrust Reverser from which the 'rub strip' was believed to have come was removed from Ship 067 during the investigation. As far as I know it's still very much intact and under lock and key somewhere.


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User currently offlineSeptember11 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 3623 posts, RR: 21
Reply 7, posted (10 years 3 months 1 week 11 hours ago) and read 9469 times:

Eastern Airlines operated that DC-10!



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User currently offlineDtwclipper From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (10 years 3 months 1 week 11 hours ago) and read 9407 times:

Yes, EA did operate a number of DC-10's between Miami and Europe. Their L1011 fleet, as far as I understand did not have the range.

User currently offlineILSApproach From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 410 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (10 years 3 months 1 week 8 hours ago) and read 9177 times:

yep................EA among others operated that aircraft................see the above pics I posted.

User currently offlineClipper002 From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 680 posts, RR: 13
Reply 10, posted (10 years 3 months 1 week 8 hours ago) and read 9091 times:

The DC-10's that EA operated were leased from AZ. N14075 is currently flying with WO operating AMC trips from NGU to the Med.


Ed
User currently offlineEA CO AS From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 13749 posts, RR: 61
Reply 11, posted (10 years 3 months 1 week 8 hours ago) and read 9048 times:
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The DC-10's that EA operated were leased from AZ.

Minor correction - EA purchased them outright. They weren't leased. Parent company Texas Air Corporation (later Continental Airlines Holdings) transferred the three DC-10s to CO after EA shut down in 1991.



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User currently offlineType-rated From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (10 years 3 months 1 week 8 hours ago) and read 9012 times:

Actually, I think that a.net member PizzandPlanes was ON this DC-10 departing Paris when the part came off!

User currently offlineSeptember11 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 3623 posts, RR: 21
Reply 13, posted (10 years 3 months 1 week 8 hours ago) and read 9005 times:

Eastern stopped flying DC-10s months before January of 1991.

When EA sold their Latin America routes to AA in summer of 1990, EA retired its DC-10s. EA was not under Texas Air's umbrella during that time.






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User currently offlineDtwclipper From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (10 years 3 months 1 week 6 hours ago) and read 8816 times:

September11:

Ah another EA thread.

Eastern was taken over by Texas Air Corp in 1986!


User currently offlineFLVILLA From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2004, 394 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (10 years 3 months 1 week 6 hours ago) and read 8767 times:

Did AF sue CO for the incident?? If the CO plane was maintained properly surely the piece would'nt have fallen off and endangered other aircraft???

It is the airlines responsibility for the maintaining of the aircraft. If they failed then they put other airliners at risk and should be held responsible for any incident.

FLVILLA



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User currently offlineSeptember11 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 3623 posts, RR: 21
Reply 16, posted (10 years 3 months 1 week 6 hours ago) and read 8701 times:

Bankruptcy court pulled Eastern Airlines out of Texas Air Corporation in summer of 1989. Judge kicked Frank Lorenzo and Texas Air out of Eastern and appointed a trustee to run Eastern.


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User currently offlineDtwclipper From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (10 years 3 months 1 week 6 hours ago) and read 8541 times:

September11:

You are correct, however, your original post sounded to me as if TAC had yet to be involved with EA, sorry if I mis-uderstood your post.

dtwclipper


User currently offlineSpacecadet From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 3671 posts, RR: 12
Reply 18, posted (10 years 3 months 1 week 5 hours ago) and read 7878 times:


It is the airlines responsibility for the maintaining of the aircraft. If they failed then they put other airliners at risk and should be held responsible for any incident.


It's also the airport's responsibility for keeping their runways clear - not the airlines'. This is mentioned in the interim report linked above, and the runway debris check schedule at CDG is compared with those from other airports around the world.

Didn't you watch "LAX" the other night??  Big grin



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User currently offlineIahcsr From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 3469 posts, RR: 42
Reply 19, posted (10 years 3 months 1 week 4 hours ago) and read 7518 times:
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CO acquired all three of EA's -10s (Ships 064,067,068 .. Boy, did I hate 068.. But that's another story) sometime prior to EA's demise.


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User currently offlineClipper002 From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 680 posts, RR: 13
Reply 20, posted (10 years 3 months 1 week 4 hours ago) and read 7423 times:

EA CO AS,
My mistake. Of course they did. I was in MIA when the first one arrived down there.

Ed



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User currently offlineScarletHarlot From Canada, joined Jul 2003, 4673 posts, RR: 56
Reply 21, posted (10 years 3 months 1 week 2 hours ago) and read 6612 times:

PizzaAndPlanes was on that flight? I've never heard that story! Come on, John, tell us about it, or link us to where you already talked about it.


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User currently offlineUal777contrail From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (10 years 3 months 1 week 2 hours ago) and read 6551 times:

I think I read somewhere that co did get sued for leaving parts of their plane on the runway.

UAL 777 CONTRAIL


User currently offline727LOVER From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 6613 posts, RR: 20
Reply 23, posted (10 years 3 months 1 week 2 hours ago) and read 6507 times:

Bankruptcy court pulled Eastern Airlines out of Texas Air Corporation in summer of 1989. Judge kicked Frank Lorenzo and Texas Air out of Eastern and appointed a trustee to run Eastern.

Correction: April 1990. The bankuptcy filing of EA was on March 9, 1989.

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User currently offlineAirplane From Ecuador, joined Sep 2004, 259 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (10 years 3 months 1 week 1 hour ago) and read 6435 times:

iahcsr
What was the problem with 068. I did fly in all DC10's but since I didn't work with them, couldn't tell the difference. Except the DC-10-10's (pubs)
The CO DC-10's were great looking to me.

JP ex UIOCSR



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25 Post contains images AirEMS : Was this a thread on the DC-10 Taking off before the ill fated Concorde flight or is it a thread on when EA went out of business?? and who bought who
26 Pizzaandplanes : The only thing I really rember is begging to fly on concorde instead of flying on the co dc-10. While taxing before takeoff I said to myself while see
27 Vikingair : Thanks airEMS, it was as you ask about the DC-10 prior to the Concorde. Amazing how people get off the subject....Simple question, simple answer as se
28 Iahcsr : "What was the problem with 068" There was nothing wrong with the plane itself. The trouble was that it was left in the EA seating configuration for ye
29 Vikingair : Who cares about ship 068 and Eastern, that was not the subject of this topic....my question was answered. Leave other comments out of this please. It
30 GEEDO : As long as you got your answer, who cares where the thread goes? Apparently, you must be new to text based discussion. You will find that one thing le
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