Akjetblue From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 790 posts, RR: 6 Posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 16 hours ago) and read 7790 times:
Wow!
SAO PAULO, Brazil, Sept 15 (Reuters) - Embraer (EMBR4.SA: Quote, Profile, Research) (ERJ.N: Quote, Profile, Research) on Wednesday said it had suspended aircraft deliveries to US Airways (UAIR.O: Quote, Profile, Research) in the first indication the airline's filing for bankruptcy protection could affect the Brazilian aircraft manufacturer's sales targets.
"Deliveries are temporarily suspended while Embraer's negotiations with US Airways and the main financiers continue," said a spokeswoman for Empresa Brasileira de Aeronautica (Embraer), the world's fourth largest commercial aircraft manufacturer.
According to court documents filed by US Airways in the United States, the carrier owes Embraer $1.47 billion for future aircraft commitments.
Embraer was sticking to its target of delivering 160 of its small and medium-sized aircraft this year pending the outcome of the talks with the U.S. airline, the spokeswoman said.
US Airways, the No.7 U.S. airline, filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy protection for a second time in two years on Sunday, casting a cloud over large orders it has made for planes built by Embraer and its Canadian rival, Bombardier (BBDb.TO: Quote, Profile, Research) .
US Airways ordered 85 of the 70-seat EMBRAER 170 regional aircraft in May 2003 in a $2.1 billion deal.
Embraer said earlier this week that it had delivered 12 of those planes in the first half of this year. Industry analysts say US Airways has received 22 jets from the order so far.
Embraer stock was 1.35 percent weaker at 20.40 reais in Wednesday afternoon trading in Brazil. The country's benchmark Bovespa stock index was up 0.6 percent at the time.
Bombardier said on Sunday that its total aircraft deliveries for the current fiscal year would not be affected by US Airways' filing for bankruptcy protection.
NW747400 From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 329 posts, RR: 0 Reply 2, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 16 hours ago) and read 7641 times:
Well Embraer got the jitters that US is gonna go belly up. TOLtommy said it best "Anybody need a jet, quick? Delivery spots just opened up at Embraer!"
P.S. If US does go belly up will it make the situation for the other airlines better? Their passengers have to go to another airline could this be just what DL,CO and UA needs to help them get back on their feet?
NW747400
NIKV69 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 3, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 16 hours ago) and read 7547 times:
What Embraer has done makes perfect sense, US can't pay it's bills and with B6 starting at LGA it's going to get worse. I think US should say "uncle" they have just about run out of options.
Planemaker From Tuvalu, joined Aug 2003, 5481 posts, RR: 35 Reply 4, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 16 hours ago) and read 7507 times:
If US does go belly up will it make the situation for the other airlines better?
My two cents - I think that there is still too much LCC capacity coming on stream to make the situation better for the other airlines in a sustained manner - there might be a blip in load factors but yields will remain depressed.
However, sub 70-pax aircraft pricing will probably be taking a big hit over the next couple of years. You probably won´t be able to "give" 50-seat RJ´s away.
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AS739X From United States of America, joined Apr 2003, 5819 posts, RR: 23 Reply 5, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 16 hours ago) and read 7480 times:
"Embraer said earlier this week that it had delivered 12 of those planes in the first half of this year. Industry analysts say US Airways has received 22 jets from the order so far."
So how many EMB does USAirways has? Where are the 10 missing planes?
ASSFO
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Flyguyclt From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 537 posts, RR: 9 Reply 6, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 15 hours ago) and read 7463 times:
And so we have the perfect replacement for the NWA DC9's.
Just a little goofy humor for the day.
Living here in CLT, I hope USAirways management can come up with a plan that works and returns their company to financial stability. The employees of USAirways are derserving professionals.
S12PPL From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 7, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 15 hours ago) and read 7422 times:
Yet another sign the end is very near for US. This is a sad time in the industry, as one of the best known airlines in the United States is slowly dying.
I don't see how US can possibly "come back from the dead" as the "new" USAirways out in Alabama.....I just don't see that happening at all.
BR715-A1-30 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 8, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 13 hours ago) and read 7098 times:
Analysts were predicting US to go Belly-up in 2001. My friend brought me a timetable in 2001 and told me to enjoy because it would probably be the last one. I'll believe it when they fly their last flight.
Dbo861 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 792 posts, RR: 1 Reply 9, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 13 hours ago) and read 6994 times:
""Embraer said earlier this week that it had delivered 12 of those planes in the first half of this year. Industry analysts say US Airways has received 22 jets from the order so far."
So how many EMB does USAirways has? Where are the 10 missing planes"
12 Planes in the first half, or 6 months of the year, that's through June. US has received 22 so far, but this is September...3 months later. That might be an explanation.
Cory6188 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 2686 posts, RR: 6 Reply 10, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 13 hours ago) and read 6963 times:
Has US made any response to Embaer's decision to stop delivery of the planes?
SPREE34 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 2092 posts, RR: 10 Reply 11, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 12 hours ago) and read 6841 times:
"Has US made any response to Embaer's decision to stop delivery of the planes?"
What are they going to say? Give us the airplanes we can't pay for?
I don't understand everything I don't know about this.
Akjetblue From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 790 posts, RR: 6 Reply 12, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 11 hours ago) and read 6696 times:
SPREE34-
Why not? Since JetBlue "doesn't pay for their airplanes," why should US Airways?
Flybyguy From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 1791 posts, RR: 1 Reply 14, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 10 hours ago) and read 6523 times:
What Embraer has done makes perfect sense, US can't pay it's bills and with B6 starting at LGA it's going to get worse...
Although I would love to see la Guardia become a second smaller JetBlue hub... JetBlue's presence at LGA hardly upsets anything more than the NYC-Florida market. By far most other carriers out of LGA have more cities and especially STATES to sell to customers.
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Dutchjet From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 7864 posts, RR: 58 Reply 15, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 10 hours ago) and read 6456 times:
This is interesting, since some have suggested that US's new bankruptcy filing was a pre-packaged proceeding, meaning that just about all of US's creditors, banks, lessors, etc had agreed to the proceeding......the idea was that everything would go on in a normal fashion at US, and the only reason for the new bankrupcty filing was to "beat up" employees and the unions and convince them to accept wage cuts and productivity increases.
Embraer's suspension of deliveries to US suggests that it is taking US's Chapter 11 filing very seriously, and that all financial agreements may not be in place over at US Airways. I hope I am wrong, but things do not sound to good for US.
Then again, over a 100 new A32X airliners, 9 new A333s, plus 85 E170s and a good number of CRJS in the past few years......dont you think US has ordered far too many new aircraft? And, this buying spree has certainly added to US's financial problems in recent years.
FLY777UAL From United States of America, joined May 1999, 4510 posts, RR: 3 Reply 17, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 9 hours ago) and read 6414 times:
This could be perfect for United...73 unfilled spots.
A330323X From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 3039 posts, RR: 48 Reply 18, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 9 hours ago) and read 6371 times:
Embraer Stops Deliveries
ARLINGTON (theHub.com) - Brazilian aircraft manufacturer Embraer today said it has suspended aircraft deliveries to US Airways following the company’s filing for Chapter 11 bankruptcy court protection. “Deliveries are temporarily suspended while Embraer's negotiations with US Airways and the main financiers continue," a spokeswoman for the aircraft manufacturer said.
In a statement, US Airways said, "Embraer has been a great business partner and we will continue to work with them. This decision is one of many reasons why we advised our labor leaders that it will be much worse for employees if we had to file for Chapter 11. We will adjust our business plan accordingly, but our ability to grow is going to be limited." US Airways ordered 85 of the 70-seat Embraer 170 regional aircraft in May 2003. The company has received 22 jets from the order.
Nickofatlanta From Australia, joined May 2000, 1457 posts, RR: 0 Reply 19, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 8 hours ago) and read 6048 times:
A33032X -
I would hope at this point we can all agree that we don't need to "make things look bad" at US Airways, they are pretty bad. It's a fact as far as I'm concerned. Being in Chapter 11 is a pretty bad thing!
UA777222 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 3348 posts, RR: 13 Reply 20, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 7 hours ago) and read 5625 times:
Wait,
Are the 170's(?) that US is taking, are they for USX or US Airlines?
SegmentKing From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 21, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 7 hours ago) and read 5525 times:
well all union contracts can be voided by the bankruptcy judge, so it doesn't matter who USAirways is trying to convince of the bad financial position.
Freshlove1 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 22, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 7 hours ago) and read 5434 times:
"US can't pay it's bills and with B6 starting at LGA it's going to get worse"
Bankruptcy Code provides a priority status for post-petition purchases (goods and services received after the date of the filing). We (US) can and will pay for all such post-petition goods and services in the normal course of business.
US can pay their bills just like they have in the past and will in the future and B6 doesn't pay hardly anything for those Airbuses due to the lease deal they have with them. When they start paying the full lease payments on those planes we will see how much profit B6 is making.
AirframeAS From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 14150 posts, RR: 26 Reply 23, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 4 hours ago) and read 4912 times:
The real question is are any of the current EMB jets that US has...are they paid for. AND...does US owe any monies to EMB to the planes that have not been delivered or manufactured yet?
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Mariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 22707 posts, RR: 88 Reply 24, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 4 hours ago) and read 4880 times:
Freshlove1:
You don't really believe all that crap about JetBlue's supposed deal with Airbus, do you?
If you do, take a squizz at JetBlue's SEC filings - they'll show how much they are paying for the planes, both leased and purchased.
Airbus doesn't let a plane off the property until there is a full payment deal in place with a financier - a leasing company or a financing bank(s).
cheers
mariner
aeternum nauta
25 Flyibaby: Freshlove, B6 also doesnt have unions to deal with..big plus, and their planes are consistently full. When they don't see the potential they thought t
26 B6FA4ever: just a quick comment regarding us (B6) starting service out of LGA. like some one mentioned above...we are only gonna fly LGA-FLL. that is ONLY 1 mark
27 777ER: UA777222 The EMB170s are all for US Express.
28 Planemaker: "Wow!" This thread goes to show how important managing the media is. EMB announces after US Airways enters BK that it has "suspended" aircraft deliver
29 BENNETT123: Clearly no one is going to continue deliveries unless they are going to be paid. If I was a leasor, I would be checking the contract.
30 Planemaker: Back in May, an analyst with JP Morgan said in a research note that GECAS does USD$2.7 billion worth of total business with US Airways. In a press rel
31 Regis: This thread goes to show how important managing the media is. EMB announces after US Airways enters BK that it has "suspended" aircraft deliveries and
32 Planemaker: Regis, there are a couple of points to draw which have nothing to do with "honour" and everything to do with business - BBD got the jump on EMB. Both
33 ChiGB1973: "Only a company in Alabama that manages people's retirements would be dumb enough to invest so heavily in US Airways. It's going to be bad for Alabama
34 AZjetgeek: What seems overlooked in all the previous posts in this thread is that US placed the $4.3 billion order for RJ's through BBD and EMB in April 2003, a
35 UA777222: I'm having issues understanding who own's what. Please help if possible. If a UAX CRJ is bought doesn't say Mesa or Chautauqua or Trans States Airline
36 Dasheighty: I was Thinking (Which is dangerous.) If Us Airways folds I wonder if Jet Blue And or southwest will Pick up those Embraer's that are being hold as wel
37 AZjetgeek: I actually emailed US a couple months ago about the subject of the duplication of aircraft from different manufacturers. For example, their USX fleet
38 FA4B6: I know US and LOT are getting the the 170's, and jetBlue is getting the 190's. Who is getting delivery of the 175's and 195's?
39 Airways6max: This is not surprising, given that US has entered Chapter 11 for the second time in two years. No aircraft manufacturer will want to deliver planes to
40 Akjetblue: Didn't Air Canada order the 175s? Anyone else know who ordered the 175s or 195s? -Philzy
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