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IB Downgrade Its Service To Lagos  
User currently offlineSoups From Ghana, joined Jun 2004, 3438 posts, RR: 14
Posted (9 years 7 months 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 2371 times:

currently IB flies 3x weekly to LOS. It will soon subtitute it to an A319. this is the only airline that will downgrade their service to Lagos ( in excpetion of LX suspension)... shame...


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User currently offlineIberia340600 From Spain, joined Oct 2003, 804 posts, RR: 14
Reply 1, posted (9 years 7 months 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 2347 times:

How is that considered downgrading service? I dont understand.


Visca Barça!!
User currently offlineBehramjee From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 4716 posts, RR: 44
Reply 2, posted (9 years 7 months 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 2333 times:

Because IB flew A 320s to LOS and is now DOWNGRADING CAPACITY on the route to A 319s.

Just a week or so ago...ppl mentioned here that IB flights were full of LOS on the A 320s so why would they downgrade capacity on this route unless it has to do with the aircraft availability issues.

Does the route make sufficient yield for IB?


User currently offlineIberia340600 From Spain, joined Oct 2003, 804 posts, RR: 14
Reply 3, posted (9 years 7 months 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 2325 times:

My point is...that is not downgrading service...its simply reducing capacity. The B752 currently flying to LOS cannot go out full do to weight restrictions therefore the difference in actual seats that can be utilized in reference to the A319 is about 10 seats.


Visca Barça!!
User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32176 posts, RR: 72
Reply 4, posted (9 years 7 months 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 2273 times:

The A319 will have no weight restrictions on MAD-LOS, as opposed to the 320s and 757s. By using an A319, Iberia is maximizing yields and assuring all customers that they won't get bumped because the plane is too heavy.


a.
User currently offlineAirxLiban From Lebanon, joined Oct 2003, 4504 posts, RR: 54
Reply 5, posted (9 years 7 months 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 2234 times:

B752 currently flying to LOS cannot go out full do to weight restrictions

ib, what is the issue here with the weight restrictions?



PARIS, FRANCE...THE BEIRUT OF EUROPE.
User currently offlineIberia340600 From Spain, joined Oct 2003, 804 posts, RR: 14
Reply 6, posted (9 years 7 months 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 2218 times:

IB's 757's are not extended range 757's. With a flight time between MAD and LOS of almost 5 hours that is really pushing it and has to restrict weight in order to carry all fuel/pax/cargo etc.


Visca Barça!!
User currently offlineLevent From France, joined Sep 2004, 1718 posts, RR: 5
Reply 7, posted (9 years 7 months 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 2205 times:

Shame, I was looking forward to fly on IB´s 757 when visiting my parents in Nigeria around Xmas. Yeah well, I never had a trip on their A319 either...

User currently offlineClipper002 From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 679 posts, RR: 13
Reply 8, posted (9 years 7 months 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 2197 times:

That's odd that there would be a weight restriction coming out of LOS. When we flew in there with the DC-10 and then the MD-11, all of the load was coming from the states into LOS and very light loads coming back to the U.S. Seems there's a different pattern for Europe.

Ed



Ed
User currently offlineLevent From France, joined Sep 2004, 1718 posts, RR: 5
Reply 9, posted (9 years 7 months 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 2185 times:

Have you ever seen the amounts of luggage Africans carry with them?  Wink/being sarcastic

User currently offlineAussiestu From Australia, joined Mar 2001, 780 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (9 years 7 months 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 2153 times:


Interesting that IB operates an A320/319 to LOS when other European carriers operate MD11s B747s and larger twin aisled aircraft. Does IB not have the loads to LOS that others do, the oil industry is important in all countries i thought. Does the IB aircraft offer just a 2 class service and is this their european service or a longer range intercontinental flight.

Thanks for any help.

Do the IB crew operate to LOS and back to MAD or do they get off in LOS?


User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32176 posts, RR: 72
Reply 11, posted (9 years 7 months 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 2114 times:


Interesting that IB operates an A320/319 to LOS when other European carriers operate MD11s B747s and larger twin aisled aircraft.


IB is new to Lagos, having started service only a few months ago. The other carriers are much more established.



a.
User currently offlineSoups From Ghana, joined Jun 2004, 3438 posts, RR: 14
Reply 12, posted (9 years 7 months 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 2100 times:

african usually carry 'europe' on their way there


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User currently offlineBehramjee From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 4716 posts, RR: 44
Reply 13, posted (9 years 7 months 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 2050 times:

A B 757 can easily fly for 5-6 hours nonstop as is the case for US & CANADA transcontinental flights so why would a 5 hr MAD-LOS flight on a B 752 have a weight restriction imposed on it when a 5 hr flight is a typical flight for a 757-200.

User currently offlineLevent From France, joined Sep 2004, 1718 posts, RR: 5
Reply 14, posted (9 years 7 months 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 2048 times:

One of the things to consider is that Nigeria is a tropical country, where the heat limits aircraft performance.

It scared the hell out of me the first time I took off from Bangkok with a fully loaden 747, I thought the thing wouldn´t come off the ground!


User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32176 posts, RR: 72
Reply 15, posted (9 years 7 months 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 2008 times:

A B 757 can easily fly for 5-6 hours nonstop as is the case for US & CANADA transcontinental flights so why would a 5 hr MAD-LOS flight on a B 752 have a weight restriction imposed on it when a 5 hr flight is a typical flight for a 757-200.

The weather in Lagos.



a.
User currently offlineAnxebla From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (9 years 7 months 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 2001 times:

I think when a plane fly over desert ETOPS operations also apply, and now Airbus has ETOPS 120' for A320-family
Other hand, A319 is for me, a state-of-art aircraft.I really do like it.According to a friend of mine (AF staff) AF will fly to SSG (Malabo) with a new A319ER, and a fly CDG-SSG is longer than a MAD-LOS.Unless 100 minutes more.
A319 is a GREAT plane.Airlines like IB,AF and even a low-cost like Easyjet are very happy with them.


User currently offlineLevent From France, joined Sep 2004, 1718 posts, RR: 5
Reply 17, posted (9 years 7 months 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 1942 times:

Anxebla, what type does Iberia use on its Malabo flights?

User currently offlineSoups From Ghana, joined Jun 2004, 3438 posts, RR: 14
Reply 18, posted (9 years 7 months 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 1860 times:

Iberia operate 752 to SSG while spanair operate a320
air france operate a319 while KLM operates their B767 on that route



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User currently offlineSR3496 From Switzerland, joined May 2000, 792 posts, RR: 21
Reply 19, posted (9 years 7 months 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 1852 times:

...and Swiss an Airbus A330.

User currently offlineSoups From Ghana, joined Jun 2004, 3438 posts, RR: 14
Reply 20, posted (9 years 7 months 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 1847 times:

forgot about swiss mainly cause they axed their services to ABJ ACC and LOS.
i was on a LX flight from ACC last year and and plane was FULL not sure why they stopped the route.



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User currently offline5NEOO From Nigeria, joined Nov 2003, 210 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (9 years 7 months 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 1808 times:

The idea of the route being weight restricted is ridiculous.

The longest runway at LOS is 13,000 ft long, and although it sure is hot over here, we are at sea level. The airport altitude is probably no more than 100 ft.

A 757 can take off fully laden under these conditions.



Admit it, you could care less about the continent Africa!
User currently offlineLevent From France, joined Sep 2004, 1718 posts, RR: 5
Reply 22, posted (9 years 7 months 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 1736 times:

"A 757 can take off fully laden under these conditions."

Oh... any other ideas? Anybody?


User currently offlineSkyguy From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 477 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (9 years 7 months 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 1707 times:

MAH4546: You are wrong, IB RETURNED to LOS after many years, they first flew to LOS in the early 70's till late 80's and then suspended service. They are only resuming service, LOS is not a new destination for them.


"Those who talk, do not know, and those who know, do not talk."
User currently offlineBustraveler From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 102 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (9 years 7 months 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 1703 times:

What kind of engines on IB's 757's? Rolls Royce engines provide more range. Also, I don't think they are ER's, which would definately make a difference.

25 Post contains images Airbazar : Oh, I don't know. Technicalities aside, I'd say a 20 year absence qualifies it as a new destination
26 Levent : I got a link by email from a Spanish A.net watcher to an article that says IB might increase the number of weekly flights to Lagos from 3 to 5, if it
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